Bomb promised for monday--general alert!

[whirlygigspin]

New evidence is to be presented at hearings on Monday
is said to be HUGE.

The new evidence, said Cliff Arnebeck on the Randy Rhodes show on Friday:

"we are going to have some people who are going to blow this thing away." Adding "Kerry won Ohio's popular vote."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=138425


audio here:

http://wilem.com/rrs/interviews/rrs_20041210_cliffarnebeck.mp3

[Sannum]

1. I admit I gave up...

But it certanly would make my year:7

I want to see Karl Rove and Co. frogmarched out of the White House.

[XemaSab]

25. Re: Rove and Co.

I'd like to see them "freedom" marched!

[radfringe]

2. ok, but I'm NOT going to hold my breath

we've been through "bombshells" before that end up more like a unexploded popgun

not to disparage shows like Randi Rhodes -- but it's not exactly a mainstream media and big headliner show -- whatever this "bombshell" is you can be assured that mainstream media lapdogs will be doing the bush-spin on it or just plain ignore it

if it does get to the level of being "above the fold" -- it will be pooh-poohed as the work of the 'disgruntled'

[bullimiami]

3. MSM has lost all reputability from my perspective

to say
""not to disparage shows like Randi Rhodes -- but it's not exactly a mainstream media and big headliner show""


The MSM and or big headliner shows have proven time and again to be more about sensationalism and propaganda than reporting.
Randi is at least as reputable and a darn sight more honest.

If Arnebeck is less than he seems why would you blame Randi. She doesnt run a "news" show like many of those others purport to. She is just presenting the opinions of others who, factual or no, cant seem to get a toe in the door or your lauded "mainstream media and big headliner show"s

[radfringe]

6. wasn't criticizing Rhodes show

but it doesn't get the "air time" of the mainstream lapdogs

breaking "news" or "controversial opinions" on shows like Rhodes do not get the same public attention/outrage unless the bushies* go into echo chamber mode in order to discredit it or bury it

the only way any "breaking story" is going to adequately ignite "outrage" or illicit a large public reaction is if it is credibly covered by the lapdogs

how many people listen to Rhodes or simliar programs in your neighborhood versus watching FAUX or CNN or network news?

there are two parts to every story -- 1. what the story is about; 2. how much coverage it gets

like it or not -- lapdog news is where the majority of 'murikans get their news

[Garbo 2004]

30. Alleged "bombshell" will be presented at the hearing, not on Rhodes' show,

as I understand anyway. So the issue really is whether or not the hearing itself gets any serious coverage in the media.

The problem is that likely the alternative news venues are the only ones that will be covering the hearing to any significant extent. Don't know if CSPAN will air it again and CSPAN still has limited reach. Perhaps local papers and Olbermann. And AAR.

[ailsagirl]

37. I liked it that Arnebeck exercised some discretion

when Randi asked him about their plan. Because,
really, we don't want the repugs to know what we
have in store. That would just not do.

I think some investigators/lawyers might have been
too candid in the past-- we mustn't give the repugs
any ammunition

[itzamirakul]

4. Did you hear Randi warn him...

I was concerned when whe said several times that she had been threatened and then she said she needed a lawyer. She said someone was trying to do something to affect some business deal. She didn't say what or by whom, but she clearly is worried. She kept warning Arnebeck to watch out and that he would see how bad things would become for him after he presents his evidence. If the powers that be get to him this weekend, the bomb may just fizzle but he sounded pretty much willing to take his chances.

[quaoar]

5. She also mentioned

How AAR had screwed her over on her new contract.

[itzamirakul]

8. No! I missed that part...

I kind of wondered if that was the business deal she was talking about. I heard her say that she had made a New Year's resolution to be syndicated by the end of this year but I wasn't clear on whether or nor this had happened. She also made reference to "being away" for awhile. I wondered if this was just a holiday vacation because she mentioned some replacement hosts who would be filling in for her.

Something strange is going on at AAR. They seem to be purging the most radical voices. Jeanine Garafalo is gone indefinitely. Chuckie D now makes only sporadic appearances. I wonder if this change is coming from the more moderate Franken and Mark Moran? You know the two of them do not believe that thee was any voting fraud at all.

They really should move Mike Malloy into Unfiltered's spot. Rachel and Liz are ok but certainly not exciting. I do listen to their show daily though. Actually, for my money they could move Mike Malloy into Al Franken's show, because I often just turn him off. I just hope that AAR does not become a watered down DLC version of liberal radio.

[lostnfound]

9. Ditto on all counts. And Randi is the best. nt

[saracat]

11. Randi is going to be away because she is having

fibroid surgery! Don't know about Garafolo, but doesn't she have a "real" career as a comedienne outside of AAR?

[colinmom71]

14. Yep..

She's off the air right now because she's working on a movie. Not sure how long she'll be gone, but as far as I know she *is* returning.

[bunny planet]

41. She's in a play for two weeks, then she'll be back!

[itzamirakul]

17. Yes, but so do

Mark Moran and Al Franken. Jeanine's co-host says she is taking a "sabbatical" to get away from all the "Republican spin," but that is usually what they say until the listeners finally get used to them being gone.

[Old Mouse]

33. She joked about Iraq

She's not going with Franken, is she?

[blondeatlast]

13. I love "Unfiltered," it's nice to hear people like me on the radio.

And you'll notice Chuck D is about the only AA progressive on the air.

[itzamirakul]

20. Yes, I knew that about Chuckie D...

but Morning Sedition also has Mark Riley, also an African American who USED TO BE quie a militant journalist, aggressive, etc. Lately he has become the "laughing guy" for Moran's often not-too-funny jokes. I wrote a lengthy email to them about it.

I do wonder about Chuckie D, though...when he made his once weekly appearance yesterday, it was noticable that Liz took the day off...Chuck D hasn't sunk to the "laughing guy" status that Riley has...Oh, well...I don't want to create problems where there are none...it's just that I like Chuck D's take on the political scene and I miss his voce on a daily basis.

[blondeatlast]

21. True that, but as a woman, it's really nice to hear smart, funny,

PROGRESSIVE women on the radio, too.

[mattclearing]

15. Sounds like someone is consolidating power and clamping down.

Lame. Better stick to the Internets.

[goclark]

40. Randi is my favorite

The rest. including Al Franken, are so watered down now that it is really boring!

Still better than nothing.

Maybe they are feeling if they act like Rush they won't get into more cities.

I can't believe that Los Angeles still does not have Air America.

GWB has really got his foot on this country.

How much longer before he is tried for war crimes?

[Old Mouse]

32. But she said that

in a begrudgingly respectful way... not screwed, more out-negotiated.

[zann725]

27. Yeah, that's what impressed me about Arnebeck.

Randi kept repeating that he shouldn't expect too much, and that it probably would not change the election"...and he kept FIRMLY and rationally repeating he believed it would. He's a very impressive lawyer, and speaker. If he thinks he can do it, I say we give him a chance.

[Paradise]

7. kick! n/t

[sundancekid]

10. and another kick ... AAR on a slippery slope to MSM via clear channel?

[NYCGirl]

16. Here's the latest on AAR, Cheswick.

They are not owned by Clear Channel, so their policy is not dictated by them.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=7034913

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Liberal radio network Air America on Wednesday said it had extended a contract with comedian and commentator Al Franken and received an extra $13 million in funding to continue its national roll-out.

The network debuted in March with commentators seen as a liberal response to conservatives like Rush Limbaugh.

Air America Radio has options to keep Franken on through 2007 and also signed a new deal with commentator Randi Rhodes, new Chairman Rob Glaser told Reuters.

Air America has deals in 11 of the top 20 radio markets, with broadcasts in 40 markets nationwide and on satellite radio and the Internet at www.airamericaradio.com.

[bunny planet]

42. they'll also be on in DC starting January 20th. hmmmmmmmmm?

[zann725]

28. I've heard Randi say herself that she has a contract with Clear Channel.

Maybe she has a separate 'syndication' deal than others on AAR, but I know she's said several times that she has a contract with Clear Channel.

[Garbo 2004]

29. I think she stil has a contract w the FL CC station she was on before AAR.

And she's wanted a syndication deal for a long time. I recall she previously said that CC said she was free to look for a syndication deal elsewhere, so maybe that's the business stuff that is being threatened.

[bunny planet]

43. Randi worked for CC in Florida. She is still on in her old local market

still works for CC. They wouldn't syndicate her but gave her their blessings to syndicate in other markets with Air America while still going on the air in Florida in Palm Beach working for them. Maybe they are dropping her now because of pressure over her covering the voter fraud story. Maybe she tried to tone it down for awhile, but they screwed her over with her contract renewal for CC anyway, and so now she's talking again. She'd be bummed though because that's what she thinks of as her home station and she might be taking a pay cut and be taken off in her favorite market where people know her for 9 years. I'm not sure if AAR is on in Miami and Palm Beach or just Randi's show still on the Clear Channel stations there.

[blondeatlast]

12. Another bomb will be dropped Monday like Laci/Scott Petersen.

We can't have the American people too involved in government, can we???

I don't doubt this will happen (I was listening to Randi when this was mentioned) but how do we let the people KNOW?

You honestly don't think the media will cover it, do you?

[peekaloo]

18. no kidding. Another full week of analyzing the Petersen verdict.......

which is sure to be announced on Monday. :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

22. Amazing how that happens, isn't it?

What's more amazing is our remarkable DU ability to predict such an occurence... :shrug:

[ailsagirl]

36. Yep-- look for a diversionary story

They do this to distract people's attention from the important stuff.

Who CARES about the Scott Petersen thing?? I don't wish to sound
cold but, unfortunately, men kill their wives every day of the year.
It's terrible. But the media can't focus on all of them. So why this
one in particular?? I smell yet another rat

I do believe it's been hyped to keep people distracted.

[BlueStateBlue]

45. The second degree murder charge for the fetus

creates a precedent. He "murdered" a fetus. Why do you think Faux news has given this thing so much airtime?

[whirlygigspin]

19. yes the clampdown is on, what do you this is? the Ukraine?

real life IS stranger than fiction.

[bush_is_wacko]

23. I sure hope what he says is true...

But I fear Randy is correct in her assumption that the media and BushCo will eat Arnebeck alive! She is right, this is NOT America anymore! The evidence will have to be irrefutable and even then it can still be suppressed! I hope Arnebeck has bodyguards, a safe house, and a bullet-proof vest this weekend! How did we get to a point in this country where it is "normal" to fear for the safety of those who speak the truth! Oh, scratch that, I guess it has always been "normal". Martin Luther King Jr, JFK (both of them), RFK, EVEN John Lennon!

[Old Mouse]

34. He should also keep handy

A crucifix, holy water and some silver bullets!
I can't wait until Monday

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[Hosnon]

26. I swear - you guys have kept me excited ever since the election but

I'm more and more inclined to think these things are more likely to be a sparkler than an A bomb.

[anakie]

31. won't happen

just another bombshell to go with the seemingly endless numbers of bombshells during the first term. It will get swept under, spun away, by another story (Scott Petersen) or simply ingnored.

The coup has taken place and this Bush is in for the next 4 years at least. Sorry to be a downer.

[Old Mouse]

35. I would agree, but

the fight against the seditious elite has already gone so much father and had more success than it had any reasonable or logical right to expect. The sheer will of those involved has had a tremendous and out of proportion effect.

All bets are off, anything is possible.

[ailsagirl]

38. Well said-- it has come a long way and it is gaining momentum

I'm reading a book about highly-effective people and the author cites Gandhi:

While his accusers were in the legislative chambers criticizing
him because he wouldn't join in their rhetoric condemning the
British Empire for their subjugation of the Indian people, Gandhi
was out in the ride paddies, quietly, slowly, imperceptibly
expanding his influence with the field laborers. A groundswell
of support, of trust, of confidence followed him throughout the
countryside. Though he held no office or political position,
through compassion, courage, fasting, and moral persuasion he
eventually brought England to its knees, breaking political
domination of 300 million people.

Pretty inspiring stuff. It CAN be done

[ailsagirl]

39. When you wrote "bomb" I thought you meant literally...

Wouldn't put it past them

[bunny planet]

44. But they are inbetween Homeland Security directors. Who will tell us we

are orange or red?