Sen. Hagel & Sen. Biden speak about Rumsfeld

[illbill]

http://www.realopinion.com/realboards/showthread.php?t=105

Biden and Hagel trash Rumsfeld on CNN with Wolf.

[democracy eh]

1. $5 says Rummy retires in the new year

he is coming across as woefully out of touch

I think there is blood in the water and the sharks are circling

he is a liability

[liberalpragmatist]

2. Bush will never get rid of Rummy

Kerry said it during the campaign over and over again (perhaps not enough. Didn't say it during the debates for instance). The Media didn't listen. Bush is completely out of touch and living in a fantasy-world.

To Bush, facts don't matter. Only ideas matter. You remember the NYT Magazine piece? Where a political advisor to the administration declared condescendingly that administration opponents were members of "the reality-based community"?

You say that Rumsfeld is out of touch? The only way that Rummy would pay with his job would be if Bush were NOT out-of-touch. Sadly, that's not the case.

Ten bucks says Rummy's here till 2009. I'll concede that he may leave early, but I can only see that happening if Bush's approval ratings crash midterm, Democrats sweep the '06 races, neo-Conservatism is repudiated, and the army's top brass and Congress mutinies, demanding Rummy's head and Congress taking control of foreign policy over.

[imenja]

3. Those two are quite the tag team

They've been making the Sunday talk show rounds for at least two years now. I'm not a member of the hate Hagel crowd that is so prevalent on DU. I've seen him raise many good criticisms of the Bush's handling of Iraq, including referring in the _Washington Post_ to the incompetence of the administration's leadership. Since he's a Republican, his criticisms are more subtle, but they are nonetheless clear. You know the White House despises him.

[RafterMan]

4. The funny thing is

it's always set up like two opposing opinions from both sides of the SFRC -- then the only thing they disagree on is who gets to start hammering Bush's foreign policy first. Some of his criticisms are more subtle, but some aren't. He uses words like inept, incompetent, botched, failed, lack of leadership -- always with clear arguments to back up his points.

I wish Kerry had made as good a case rhetorically in the election.

[JohnKleeb]

5. I actually may get to meet Hagel next week

I like and appreciate him, he's obviously a man of his personal convictions because he can be very conservative in very, very red nebreska,

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Can anyone post a transcript?

The video wouldn't work on my computer.