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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:52 PM
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Freeper: "Christians Are Taking Back America"
Check out this gem from the Yahoo! message board. I don't know why I torure myself and read these things, but this about says it all. And by the way, the article it's actually linked to is great (re: an anti-Chimp painting)

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37447040&tid=nmoukoeartsmonkeys&sid=37447040&mid=792&thr=792&cur=3992&dir=d

Christians Are Taking Back America
by: wanda_for_decent_values (47/F/Des Moines, IA)
12/13/04 10:29 pm
Msg: 792 of 4386
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And we are THROUGH kowtowing to muslims, atheists, homosexuals and anti-American "artists" living on our tax dollars!

By the end of President George W Bush's 2nd term:

1) Iraq will be well on the way to being a peaceful Christian country. Once Iraq has gone Christian, the Gospel of Jesus will spread throughout the Middle East. The region will be at peace and millions of Arab souls will be saved through the grace of Jesus Christ.

2) Bush will have appointed at least two USSC Justices and the baby slaughterhouses will finally be closed down forever.

3) Gays will be put back in the closet for good. The sodomy and decency laws will be reinstated and their disgusting disease spreading activities will be outlawed again. Maybe we can’t get rid of them, but we can get them out our children’s view.

4) School vouchers will allow parents to send their kids to decent Christian schools instead of the NEA-infested cesspools that exist now.

5) Worthless liberal social welfare programs will be dismantled and replaced by Christian faith-based government funded programs. People will finally get REAL help through Jesus Christ.

6) Filthy shows like Howard Stern, Jerry Springer and Will & Grace will be off the air and replaced with decent Christian family programming. Families will once again be able to turn on the radio or television and not be embarrassed to listen or watch together.

7) The abominable scourge of Internet pornography will end with the expansion and ENFORCEMENT of the Online Decency Act. Pornographers who expose the public to this sickening material will be behind bars where they belong.

You can be with us or against us, but you had BETTER believe one thing:

Christians are DONE sitting at the back of the bus.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:54 PM
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1. they should take back their sanity first n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:07 PM
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20. LOL!
You know, I'm not a violent person, but, woman to woman, I'd love to bitch slap Wanda.

I would say slap some sense in to her, but I think that's impossible, so I'd settle for just bitch slapping. Stupid c*&ts like her give us all a bad name.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:54 PM
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2. The person who wrote this will never, ever be happy
It's kind of sad, really.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:37 PM
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30. especially the part about Iraq turning Christian.
by the end of Chimpy's term, no less.

Delusional, in more ways than one.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:32 PM
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37. I hope she will volunteer to go there and do some mission work
Why wait for Rapture to get to meet Jesus personally?
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:49 PM
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43. my sentiments exactly n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:55 PM
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3. First of all, they can just bite me
Secondly, their plans will never be allowed to come to fruition by Corporate America. Too much money to be made selling sex and it's acoutraments.

Finally, the rest of it is just delusional.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:12 PM
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33. Especially considering that there are many repugs buying and using
adult related material.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:57 PM
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4. Ignorance is strength...
...but this gal is Really Strong!

"Once Iraq has gone Christian..." Yes, and pigs really will fly.

"The abominable scourge of Internet pornography will end with the expansion and ENFORCEMENT of the Online Decency Act." Yes, we all know that all the Internet Servers in the world, and all the pornographers, are in the United States where BushCo can control them. Sure.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:58 PM
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7. Exactly...
Most internet porn comes from or can easily be moved overseas...


Maybe Bushco will invade those countries who export pornography....
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:57 PM
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5. Scary...
It almost reads like a parody...


Other people can refute it point by illogical point...
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:00 PM
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8. Hmmmm. Maybe it is a parody.
It would be a pretty damn effective one it it was.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:22 PM
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27. As a Yahoo Board Habituee
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 01:27 PM by musette_sf
and having read many of "her" posts, "Wanda" is IMNSHO a parody.

The ones that are real are much more scary.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:44 AM
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59. It reads like the mind of the Totalitarian Follower
Subistitute Communism in for Christianity and it reads almost identically.

Substitute Nazism for Christianity and Jew for Liberal and it reads the same.

Totalitarians have ALWAYS been a threat to freedom, whether they were piously burning liberals (witches, don't you know) at the stake or godlessly sentencing Liberals to Soviet Gulags.

These people are all the same at heart...mindless followers of dogma.

And they WILL be coming for us.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:58 PM
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6. Boy. That is bad.
They really believe that will happen? I don't think so. Some of these people feel that all of this stuff is going to happen. The thing they said about Gays was plain scary and evil. I cannot believe that people like that call themselves Christian. It is what made me stop going to church. I never felt that Christians were any more in the back of the bus than anybody else but these people feel like they are as long as they don't get their way.

They are diluding themselves and they are exposing themselves for the ugly people they really are.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:00 PM
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9. "Gays will be put back in the closet...."
Great just like to good ol' days where we could marry your sons and daughters and have the whole family living a lie. Sounds peachy.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:01 PM
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10. If these Christians had been alive 2,000 years ago
They would have stoned Mary Magdalen and expelled Jesus for being soft on prostitution.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:01 PM
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11. I must say. I am reading the replies to this woman.
Now that makes me feel good. A nice well-crafted articulate argument.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:02 PM
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12. But if they shut down online pornography,
1)All those good "God-fearing Christians" who can't be seen in an adult store will have nowhere to turn and

2)A lot of Bush (George Bush) loving companies who make a LOT of money off of internet porn will lose all that revenue.

Never gonna happen.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:02 PM
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13. She forgot 'burning witches in public squares...'
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 01:17 PM by MnFats
and stoning adulterers....wait, that one would mean stoning a lot of Republicans. Well, just the gays and pornographers, then. Oh, wait. Pedophiles? I guess this one needs some work.

unfortunately, this woman speaks for a fair number of people.

...lotta nutcases, but they're out there.


Odd thing is, if Jesus turned up today, they'd crucify him all over again.
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bigfootme Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:02 PM
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14. And they said it wasn't a Holy war. Ha!
There is nothing more frightening to me than a Bible thumper with a cause.

I have been seeing this general trend for awhile now as I post on another forum in Georgia. The Holy Rollers are rolling rolling rolling........like a steam engine heading for victory with Bush as their new saviour of sorts. Lord help us all.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:03 PM
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15. The voice of the Talibornagain
She doesn't mind spending billions to murder innocent women and children in Iraq, of course. Or sending America's sons and daughters to die in an unnecessary war.

If she's a representative of Christ, I'm George Bush's codpiece.
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gjb Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:50 PM
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38. Replace the word Christian with Islam and you have a Taliban wish list.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:03 PM
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16. Point by point response to this Freeper
1) Sorry hon, but radical Islam will rise up in a once secular country.

2) Even if they overturn Roe V. Wade so-called "baby slaughterhouses" will continue, only they won't be safe and you can add "woman slaughterhouses" to your list.

3) Children will be gay if that is how they were born. YOUR children will hate themselves and/or you if they happen to have been born gay and you continue your homophobic rhetoric and oppression.

4) and 5) Public school is one of those worthless liberal social programs. If you don't want #5, then why the hell should our tax dollars pay for your kid's education via vouchers. If churches can pick up the slack, they can damn well pay for your child's brainwashing.

6) Turn off the box or watch one of the dozens of Christian channels. That's why god gave you a thumb--use the remote.

7) Babe, you've got to go looking for that stuff. If you get porn spam, it is pretty easy to recognize before you open it.

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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:14 PM
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24. To add to your response . .
6. Will & Grace was MOST popular with REPUKE women ages 18-34.

7. Did you ever notice how the holier than thou types seem to KNOW so much of what is on Porn Sites - they study it intensely so they can let everybody know what is wrong with it! They know more sites, more things that are out there than any DU'er I know!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:04 PM
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17. Delusional
They may want to TRANSFORM America to their sick vision, but they will be in for a big shock when things don't go their way. Waaaaaahhhhhh! :cry:
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:05 PM
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18. "Christians are DONE sitting at the back of the bus"
Is that a SHORT bus?

Sorry, I know that's offensive. But so is comparing the march of the fundie bigots to the civil rights movement. Who is their Rosa Parks, their MLK? For that matter, who is their god? Certainly not the one I've read about.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:27 PM
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72. That's what I was thinking
Since WHEN were Christians LYNCHED in this country for being Christian? When were Christians in this country enslaved?

Slaveholders often USED Christianity to keep their fellow human beings in servitude.

Apples and oranges.
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:06 PM
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19. He's right. It's biblical, even.
There's that verse where Jesus says something like "And if thee findeth thyself in the back of a bus, take up thy sword against thy fellow man and vanquish the driver of that bus and drive all aboard to a Christian Charity Bingo Game".

At least that's how I think a freeper remebers it.
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bac511 Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:10 PM
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22. It's really a guy!
From that message board...

"Ignore Wanda the Wacko. It is a guy that acts like a female and pretends to have a remote resembalence to a Christian. He just gets on here to stir things up."
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:36 AM
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58. I like it
Book Of Delusions Ch 2. Verse XXI -- "... and if thou are cast into the back of large horseless chariot by a buncha preening liberal Manhattan fags, take thou Diebold voting screen and smite it YEA! in the name of Corporate Christianity YEA! in the name of Holy Prince George The Great Outsourcer! and YEA! in the name of Keeping Marriage Holy And sacred While At All Times Reserving The Right To Divorce Your Current Husband If The Local Preacher Doth Give You The Googy Eyes!"
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:09 PM
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21. This is my new response to ALL these people
http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3

(Turn down your volume if you are at work)
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:13 PM
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23. Yeaaah...Everything's goin' Wanda's way now
The whole world will see things her way now that GWB's in the White House.

I better get to Bible shoppin' today and avoid the rush after the "Rapture".
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:19 PM
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great bumper sticker I saw recently...
...
"In case of the rapture, can I have your car?"
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:16 PM
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25. These guys have no idea what oppression actually is....
...because their religion compells them to oppress anybody who disagrees with them.

These guys need some serious man-love.
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:19 PM
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26. Puritanism...the haunting fear
that someone, somewhere, might be happy. These people are nothing more than fascists with deep-seated hang-ups about a whole load of things. Maybe they should ask themselves if they're happy to belong to a tradition that was responsible for such human achievements as the Inquisition, witch hunts and sectarian violence. Oh, I forgot, that was due to people exercising the wrong kind of "free will". Or maybe it was that convenient get out clause for ducking logic...SATAN!

Nutters but damned dangerous nutters. I know I'm stating the bleeding obvious but I wanted to say it...made me feel a little better.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:25 PM
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28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:35 PM
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29. I see this as a distinct sign of mental illness
Wanda is clearly delusional and possibly a danger to herself and others.
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:38 PM
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31. Does that idiot not realize that those same
"muslims, atheists, homosexuals and anti-American artists" pay taxes too and not just white bread prejudiced buttheads such as himself?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:10 PM
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32. The one loonie who replied positively
also managed to call the artist a "coon."

So I guess real Christians wear hoods, huh?
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:19 PM
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34. Really, #1 was absolutely hilarious and was enough to
tell me that this guy didn't have even half a brain. Convert everyone in the ME to Christianity. Yeah. Right.
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freelight Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:27 PM
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35. It never ceases to amaze me
that these people honestly believe all those things. I (an atheist) would love to have a one-on-one chat with some of these so-called "Christians". I probably know more about their religion than they do, and would love to embarass them by throwing their own "Savior's" teachings at them.

I especially love the part about controlling the Internet. WILL NOT HAPPEN. EVER. FOR ANY REASON. The Internet's inherently anarchic nature prevents any and all attempts at complete control. Even the laws that do get passed mean very little, for a number of reasons. Democratic Anarchism works, and right-wingers (as well as many misguided centrists and left-wingers) can't stop it.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:28 PM
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36. well if Iraq is going Christion by the end ot term II
Wanda had better join the Franklin Graham crusade ASAP ahd get her evangelizing ass over there.

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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:23 PM
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41. ...then I'm the Pope!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:16 PM
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39. What an ignoramous.
Where does this BS come from that denies the reality of them being the most spoiled group EVER in this country? Sitting in the back of the bus! They have NEVER been discriminated against in this country. But they are creating enough blowback for themselves that they will be amazed when people really rise up against them.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:58 AM
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55. Christian RW
They feel they are riding high at the present time with their "Christian Leader' in the saddle. But I think this is the last gasp of their brand of christanity. Within a year of so , most of the population will rise up against this bunch of brainwashed thugs and their leaders.People are just not going to stand for this crap.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:19 PM
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40. wherever...talk to the hand...
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:46 PM
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42. That cartoon was AMAZING! n/t.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:52 PM
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44. Christians can't take back what they never had. Nuff said!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:00 PM
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45. Right. It will be a happy day indeed when the magazine racks

are full of right-thinking, wholesome material like "Weekly Gun Kook", "Soldier of Fortune", and "Hot Death Lead Fetish"... instead of anything showing naked humans engaged in the filthy, sickening act of copulation.

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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:02 PM
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46. "worthless liberal social welfare programs"? So helping the poor . . .
is worthless? I think this person should actually read the bible rather than listening to the poisonous bullshit spewed out by fundie ministers. Just ignore the parts of the bible you don't like, eh? Fucking stupid worthless moron. It's a shame that they'll be able to breed. Iraq becoming a Christian county? Yeah, like that will ever happen. :eyes:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:32 PM
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47. just like fundie nutcase muslims are taking back the middle east
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 08:14 PM by enki23
both are pretty much true, and both are fucking bad for the world.

EDIT: ok, so that was a bit angry. <insert angry ranting here>
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:04 PM
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48. Such as by hiring the MERCHANT OF DEATH Victor Bout???
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 08:08 PM by LynnTheDem
Or does the freeper mean by bushCartel's hiring of COLUMBIAN DEATH SQUAD MEMBERS?

And of course LYING and INVASIONS and OCCUPATIONS and SLAUGHTERING 100,000 civilians is EVER SO CHRISTIAN.

Whatever this sick sociopathic uptight moron freeper defines as "decency", one thing is for sure; SHE SURE AS HELL AIN'T NO CHRISTIAN.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:24 PM
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49. Tell ya what, "Wanda"...
you live your life according to your principles, and stay the fuck outta mine. How's that for a deal? I won't pervert your children if you promise not to try to proselytize mine.

Think the bible-beaters can live by that? Oh HELL no - their only joy in their repressed, sexually-obsessed, desolate lives comes from thinking they're making people like me unhappy. Sorry, "Wanda", I'm not giving you that much power over me.

I surely hope this is a parody. It does read like one - but anymore, seems like I can't tell the extremists from the satirists. We're edging perilously close to IronyWorld.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:32 PM
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50. Check out this article about them in the Guardian !!!!
"Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power
US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy"
by George Monbiot , Tuesday April 20, 2004
The Guardian at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4905411-103677,00.html

Then, once you realize they are Third Temple dispensationalists, read
"Christian Zionism, Evangelicals and Israel", by Gary M. Burge, Ph.D. at
http://www.hcef.org/hcef/index.cfm/ID/159

also, check out Grace Halsell's book "Forcing God's Hand" about these same Third Temple dispensationalists... and realize they are actively setting up conditions to achieve their ends ( see PBS's Religion and Ethics Newsweekly at "Impact of Millennium on the Holy Land" January 7, 2000 Episode no. 319
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

They are intent upon bringing back the exact conditions for the Antichrist to return and sit in a restored Third Temple, Armageddon, and the Tribulation. They are doing this INTENTIONALLY and they are calling it God's will.

Pray for us all.





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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:49 PM
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51. ROFL! That's a good one.
:D
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:12 PM
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52. I don't know the original source, but this is evangelical astroturf
that's been floating around since this spring. Wanda has posted this on the Majority Report boards, and fellow freaks have posted on other yahoo boards and Expatica.com (apparently to harass people who are moving to France?) If you look at Wanda's Yahoo profile, it's clear that she's not the sharpest knife in Jesus' drawer, so somebody else had to have strung all of those big words together into sentences. Hey, any residents of Des Moines, does Wanda look familiar to you?
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disillusioned1 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:24 AM
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53. Wanda needs a good .........
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:55 AM
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54. Wanda.. a legend in front of her own computer screen
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:20 AM
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56. poor delusional bastard
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 02:20 AM by Skittles
if Christians are "sitting at the back of the bus" why are they always showing up at my front door?
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:58 AM
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57. Wow!
What do you know? It's the second coming of Hitler! :eyes:
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:15 AM
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60. They are Wrong
I do not see how they can come to these conclusions in that only 22% of the people who voted for Bush who were surveyed said they voted for Bush because of religious reasons. I think the real reason Bush won this election is through fear and lack of understanding. I think many of the people who voted for Bush voted for him because they did not know the issues and did not know where Bush stood on the issues. Many of the people who voted for Bush did not agree with the stances Bush held. So this in itself contradicts the idea of the letter. There is a good chance that by 2006 Demcrats will have gained more power. In addition, the Democrats made gains on the state level.

Some of these conclusions are completely wrong and show a lack of understanding of others, especially the Iraq conclusion. Unless the Freepers plan on killing all of the muslims who live in Iraq it will not be a christian country in four more years. I think the Freepers would not mind if all the muslims in Iraq were killed but for the sake of argument I am willing to consider that there plan is not to kill all of the muslims. As far as the vouchers to christian schools. At this time I do believe that is not actually legal in that government money to go to christian schools. These vouchers have mainly been proposed for the use in other public schools.

Another thing that the Freepers should think about is that they need to clean up thier own party before trying to clean up the rest of America. It seems as if is the people in thier party that cannot seem to stay married or stay away from the mistresses and prostitutes.

I think at this time the Freepers should be thinking about the fact that by 2006 the power of the Republican Party may be very reduced in the house and Senate. I think many of the things conclused in that letter will not happen and when they do I think that is when the Republican Party will start to lose power. I think the Democrats have a good chance to gain in 2006.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:36 AM
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61. Even though their "Lord" told them they must suffer
to be Christians, they don't WANT to suffer. They want to rule the world. They don't want to be hated for Jesus' sake, they want everyone to honor and agree with them.

Which tells me, this guy who wrote this crap is NOT a real Christian. You see, his "Lord" told him not to say "I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that." Why? Because you don't know what's gonna happen dude, so, like Jesus said, worry about today. Feed the poor. Visit the prisons. Help the orphan and the widow.

Pay no mind to the Dominionist fools. They are on a power trip, not a spiritual one.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:57 AM
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62. They never 'had' it.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:00 AM
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63. Fundies never had America
in the first place. The only people who can properly speak of taking back America are native Americans.

In the end you only have the land you are buried in. Number one assures that will be sooner than later in a religious war conflagration with enough madness to toast the planet.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:01 AM
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64. This is exactly the kind of ignorant
shit we have to deal with. Her post shows exactly the kind of intolerance, anti-Christian stance that has crippled us for a VERY long time. She seems to want to turn the U.S. and the world into a theocracy. May she find an uninhabited island to spew her hatred and bigotry, or drown in the attempt.
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cedahlia Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:28 AM
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65. oh the poor pitiful oppressed "Christians"
Now, wait a minute...they're taking the country back? Thought it was already theirs...don't know how many times I've had "AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!" shoved down my throat.

What a bunch of whining little brats...and that's a real interesting comparison between their cute little "plight" and that of the shameful oppression and discrimination blacks have faced in this country, at the hands of all those good, white "Christians", no less. :eyes: :mad:
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:54 AM
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66. I hate to "out" myself as a Yahoo Message Board poster
But this person is a troll, and has been posting this message for at least 6 months. There is no "Wanda," and I suspect she's probably not even a Republican.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:01 AM
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67. For all their concern about culture poisoning their children
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 11:03 AM by Heaven and Earth
Some people have forgotten:

Mark 7:18: And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, cannot defile him;
7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

It seems pretty clear that people should worry about their own characters, not that the culture they live in is making them "unpure"
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:03 AM
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68. Okay folks
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 11:19 AM by hyphenate
Some fun time. I posted to the thread, so if people can keep an eye out for my post, I'd appreciate it! I posted under hyphenate001, and here for your pleasure is my response to Wanda:

Wanda, Wanda, Wanda

I feel so sorry for you. How are your feet, hon? Running around barefoot all the time must make them pretty sore, I'll bet. You should at least wear some socks, don't you think? Especially in the wintertime when it gets a little too cold to be in your bare feet.

And how's your back, girl? What number is this? My, all you Christian women, I have to applaud your efforts to breeding your little ones so well. After all, we atheists, feminists and agnostics don't want to add any more burden to the world by overbreeding, but I have to admit your resolve in keeping your bloodlines going--although you DO know that your first cousins are taboo, right? Too many mixed genes or some other stupid scientific stuff makes it rather dangerous to have children by your cousins. Although Billy Ray DID try to rape you that one time....since he was related, you didn't press charges, but well, you're just glad you had a miscarriage because God forbid you would never have had an abortion!!

Oh, I totally agree. All those nasty homos need to be put down forever! Stay in the closet you nasty vermin! I mean, really! What DO they want, huh? They want to be treated like human beings? Oh my God, no! They're unnatural, they're sick and they're going to bring down all the GOOD people in our country!

I totally agree about Iraq, though. We must kill them all if we can't convert them. I mean, what would Jesus do, huh? I think if Jesus were alive today, he's have a machine gun in hand and attacking them on the streets of Bagdad, calling them little "sand niggers" and blasting away, even if they're children, women and old men. We definitely can't let them survive, can we? After all, they're not Christians like you!!

Oh, my, and I'm SO with you on the public school system! Those heinous heretics, trying to teach evolution instead of the real truth--that God himself created our world in 7 days, and did it only 10,000 years ago. Well, WE know that, don't we? Those pesky archaeologists with their so-called science and that tool of the Devil himself of carbon-dating! Don't these people know that the Lord himself is testing us when these people try to proclaim that something is millions of years old? We must not give in to the villainous devil or those things which test our firm and resolve! Even if they try to tell us that fossils and excavations make our literal interpretation of the New Testament seem positively whacked! WE believe, and while they SHOULD believe, they can't. We MUST pray for them. Even if it isn't going to help save them when the Rapture comes.

And free expression! That is one of the most horrendous things of all! How dare these people presume that they can spew out anything or try to contradict the word of our lord! And St. George--don't they understand that George Bush is the second coming of Christ, our Lord? HE is the one we must follow, or be forever condemned to roam the Earth like the heretics and sinners will after the apocalypse! These people just don't understand that we must prepare ourselves and reform them so that they, too, can warm their faces in the presence of God himself!

My dear Wanda, I am with you totally and completely as we must all join together now and pray for our salvation. We must convert those that we can, and pray for the souls of those we can't in order to gain our rightful place seated at God's right hand. And for those who don't want to be saved, well, dear, we'll have done our best, and that's all we can hope for. God Bless You.


NOT.



On edit: I tried to look for my message, and it looks like someone reported it or something, as it's not showing up. It would be message #4459 according to the initial posting, but I've tried to access it, and it's only going up to 4458.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:49 PM
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69. I was right
They pulled my post! Assholes! :mad:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:48 PM
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70. Good googly woogly that was a gross pile of shit.
Christians haven't been sitting at the back of the bus, you disgusting Pharisee whining baby member of the cult of victimhood! They've been DRIVING the damn bus and by the way, ever heard of separation of church and state you idiot?

If you want your church in your government, you better get prepared to have your government all up in your church. Because it's a two way street, Wanker.

Signed, an actual Christian
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:14 PM
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71. Check out the memberships in the CIA of Knights of Malta....
if you want to squat a pantload ! Just about every DCI since 1948 has been a Knight of Malta. William "Wild Bill" Donovan, who went on to become an Ambassador to the Golden Triangle, I mean Thailand, and James Jesus Angleton, GWB's uncle Prescott I believe, and many many more. This also presupposes that Opus Dei members are in on the action also.

Yes, indeed, VICTIMS my ass.
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crazyzoeillinois Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:57 PM
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73. GOOD ONE! hardyhar!
This thread's quote gave me the best chuckle I've had since breakfast!!!!!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:16 PM
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74. Let's see how long my second post takes to disappear
This is my second post, #4470.

So why was my post pulled, eh? Does Yahoo employ censorship for those of us on the left? How is it that such hatred spewing shit as this initial post (792) can stand, and my rebuttal could not? So....judging by the fact that my post was pulled, it seems that the US is already deep in denial of the rights of free speech and the oppression of an entire sect of public opinion. THAT shows that fascism is alive and well and living in the white house. The former soviet union had more rights than the people in the U.S. do now. Heil Bush!
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:08 PM
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75. My Christian bumper sticker reads:
Another Christian against Election Fraud!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:32 PM
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76. "Love one another" is the Greatest Commandment
and we're also supposed to pray for our enemies. This is difficult, but we gotta do it. And we must point out the logs in our dear brothers and sisters eyes--who've taken it upon themselves to point out the specks in ours...it's only right.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:16 PM
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77. If THEY don't like those 'filthy' shows
then THEY should quit listening to them and watching them ... THOSE shows get the highest ratings in the red states!!!! Stupid assholes! Bwahahahahahaha :silly:
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