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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:48 PM
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UNREAL - McCain threatening to block Senate over Boxing!!!
I have no words - I'm sputtering...

Our democracy is spiraling down the bowl and this is what he's exited about:

"McCain threatened to hold up every piece of legislation in the Senate while House leaders refused to go along with McCain’s pet project of establishing a national boxing commission. The dispute kept the Senate in session past 10 p.m. on its final legislative day, signaling that intraparty squabbles will prevail when Republicans return with a stronger majority next month."


http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/121504/mccain.html

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:50 PM
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1. Has he lost it? That's crazy. Could this be disinfo from NeoCons? n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:52 PM by jamboi
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:57 AM
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47. McCain & Bush are having parallel breakdowns.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:52 PM
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2. Nothing..
Nothing surprises me anymore.. :argh:
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:53 PM
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3. I hope he Goes Stark Raving Mad!
Anything to throw a wrench in the works would be good.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:54 PM
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4. Well, living life through the looking glass, it's not surprising that
this absurdity is going on. Really. I mean our government is acting insane. Like, if they were a family, they would be on crack, making it while the kids were there, spending all the money on crack, behaving in erratic and irrational ways. That's how I see it. They are friggin crazy-makers at this point. Making mountains out of minutia while major, indeed critical issues go by the wayside. It's absolutely insane!
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:54 PM
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5. He's lost touch
with reality.

LOL wth he keeps going on and on about steriods.. prozac McCain! prozac
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:57 PM
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6. Good. It cuts the amount of damage they can do.
eom
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:26 PM
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14. Great Point !!
If Shrub really is fraudulently installed in Jan. , then maybe McCain can stop all the damage that the Repub Senate is no doubt itching to do these next 4 years. Let's take him at his word. Go John Go ! Gridlock the Repub. Senate !! And here I was thinking I had to write my Dem. Senators to filibuster, filibuster, filibuster in the upcoming years! Go John Go ! Maybe if McCain signs on to be the one Senator needed to join the contested Election on Jan. 6 , all the Dems can agree to push forward his Boxing agenda! I know Barbara Boxer would!!
Steroids forever !
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:27 PM
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39. Yeah, I really don't see what people are complaining about...
This limits the amount of damage the congress can do. Folks, they wouldn't be about the business of fixing anything right now. We're talking more tax cuts, permanent tax cuts, privatized social security, etc.

Go McCain, slow em down!

Anyways, as a boxing fan we do need a national commision. The state laws are archaic at best, the promoters are often very dirty, and the fighters (90%) get the hell beat out of them for very little money. There is no health care for many either.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:57 PM
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7. Crazy bastard!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:06 PM
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8. The guilt
he should feel for campaigning with and for chimpy is making him insane.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:13 PM
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9. When will Frist put a stop to the filibustering?
(crickets)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:13 PM
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10. yeah that boxing is important
all of this sports crap that is going on and getting attention gets me so fired up that people are upset crap like that and crap like that makes the news. ARGGGGGGGHHHHH:mad:
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:15 PM
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11. WMD.. weapon of mass distraction ... classic nt
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:19 PM
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12. Perhaps bush was right in the 2000 primaries
when he called McCain mentally unstable.
Sounds to me like he's punch drunk.
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:22 PM
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13. Great. Bernie Kerik can run it.
McCain has lost his mind.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:27 PM
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15. WTF? Since when is Boxing a #1 priority? n/t
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:31 PM
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16. Perhaps that is the point John McCain is demostrating to us

Just how ridulous all this crazyness is getting to be, hum ...

Look behind the mirror.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:41 PM
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18. I just can not for the life of me figure McCain out
On the campaign trail he looked like a hostage, standing next to *. :puke:

Does he REALLY THINK the pukes are going to let him take the nomination in 2008. It seems that he takes little opportunities to rock the boat, but when he had a big chance to make a major impact, he caves. It is like he drinks the Kool-Aid but from time to time he misses a dose... :crazy:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:32 PM
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17. With all the critical issues facing the nation little did I imagine boxing
was so important that it's worth blocking all legislation pending in the Senate. Thanks Senator McCain for bringing the vital need for a national boxing commission to my attention. :crazy:
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:05 PM
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19. This coming on the heels of the baseball
comments is bizarro! I do think he must feel a bit guilty about standing cheek-to-cheek with Bush.

It's almost as if he's just wanting to put himself back in the spotlight in some way....anyway.

Perhaps, he's getting ready to start campaigning for '08.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:59 PM
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23. Maybe Rove
Told him about the Untapped sports jock vote?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:41 PM
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38. Yeah, what is he after - the 2:00 AM Lucha Libra ESPN vote?
Sheesh, get a frickin' LIFE, John!
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:14 PM
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20. I assumed the steriods somehow is related to keeping
Arnold out of the '08 campaign. The boxing commission is beyond me. What would it do, make sure illegal boxing is kept out? Any politicians into boxing and gambling? Can boxers take illegal enhancers, too?

I just don't understand anything anymore.
trudyco
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:34 PM
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22. Stds, requirements vary from state to state
Haven't kept up on this but for example I think I recall the CA Athletic Commission requires neuro exams to detect possible neurological damage to try to ensure a boxer is fit to go into the ring and isn't obviously one head punch away from possible death.

Presently boxers who cannot fight in one state go to another state where the requirements are less stringent for whatever the problem may be. Other aspects of the business, promoters, etc. likely are regulated differently in different states.

Why a national commission s an issue to McCain, who knows? Any industy players involved, for or against?

Anyway, hardly an issue of such magnitude to be worthy of such a threat as shutting down the flow of legislation in the US Senate. The nation has bigger concerns at the moment.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:17 PM
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21. Boxing? A week or two ago I heard him on NPR going on about
Baseball. And the need for a baseball commission or something like that.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:00 PM
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24. Let's admit it: The issues in order of importance to this country
are:

1. BOXING
2. Electoral Fraud
3. The War
(Possibly 2 and 3 should be switched. But don't touch boxing, for the sake of the Union.)

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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:04 PM
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25. In this Order
1.Peterson
2.Jackson
3. Bush twins career endeavors
4. Brittney's is she pregnant or not!
5. War
6. Boxing
7. Martha Stewart
8. Rumfield total ignorance
9. Lochness monster
10. election fraud (subject to change if any breaking news covered above happens)
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:05 PM
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26. I forgot about the Loch Ness Monster. Entirely my bad.
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:12 PM
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27. Maybe this explains something: "Boxing Insider" article about McCain
I figured his motivation must be related to campaign contributions, so I looked up "mccain contributions boxing" on Google and came up with this:


One of the great curiosities of McCain's campaign to slip through Congress his own pet project, the expensive ($36 million over five years), ineffectual, and perhaps unconstitutional Professional Boxing Amendments Act (to federalize control of boxing) has been his outright refusal to include television entities - by far the most powerful and influential forces in the sport - among those which would fall under regulatory jurisdiction.

...

Campaign finance records available through the website OpenSecrets.org indicate that, for example, during 1999, the third-highest contributor to what, at the time, was McCain's insurgent run at the Republican presidential nomination was Viacom ($47,750), which controls a number of TV outlets, including Showtime, which has a major investment in boxing.

http://www.boxinginsider.net/columns/stories/75557121.php
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:19 PM
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28. this is funny as hell
i hope he does it.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:21 PM
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29. good
The more congress is stalled the better. The less they accomplish the better.

Call him an idiot, but I'm glad he's there doing this. Whatever reasons he has for it.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:23 PM
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30. What the hell?
A national boxing commission??? What is going on?
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:55 PM
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31. No, it's NOT FUNNY that corporate interests can shut down the government.
I'm under the impression that this really has nothing to do with boxing. It's all about serving corporate interests to maximize campaign contributions. At least, that's what I'm inclined to think after reading the article (same link I posted earlier):

http://www.boxinginsider.net/columns/stories/75557121.php

Quote:

And as for McCain's last U.S. Senate campaign, waged in 1998, the list of his top fifty corporate donors is replete with entities who have a substantial stake in boxing, and which have a "special interest" in avoiding the regulatory blanket - Viacom (3rd - $55,250), AT&T (4th - $51,563), NBC/General Electric (20th - $19,500), Fox/News Corp. (22nd - $19,050), Time Warner (T43rd - $12,000), and Univision (T43rd - $12,000), not to mention Anheuser-Busch (5th -$51,563), a company in which McCain has considerable financial interests, both individually (he has reported at least a half-million dollars in debentures) and through his family (which controls the largest distributorship in Arizona), and which over the past two decades has been boxing most prominent sponsor, with nearly all of that advertising delivered through television.

The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which McCain chairs and under whose domain the boxing bill falls, is heavily courted by companies with interests in the sport. For the six-year cycle between 1995-2000, the top committee-related contributors to committee members include: AT&T ($369,960), Time-Warner ($249,585), Viacom ($167,654), the Walt Disney Company, which owns ESPN ($147,758), and the National Cable Television Association ($129,101).
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:27 PM
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32. FASCIST AGENDA, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:40 PM
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33. McCain has been pushing for this for many years
Cleaning up boxing is a herculean endeavor and McCain is one of the few high profile politicians that cares about it, in spite of the hundreds of millions of dollars involved. Good for McCain. Former, current and future boxers have practically no one looking out for them and McCain is one of the few people trying to change that.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:25 PM
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35. You Nailed It...
You have punch drunk fighters with 2-20 records going from state to state taking beatings...


If liberals stand for anything it's to protect the little guy...
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:45 PM
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34. He lost it
I think McCain was hit a few too many times over the head with a lead pipe in the Hanio Hilton. Imagine McCain with his finger on the nuclear button.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:29 PM
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36. Stick a fork in em...

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:34 PM
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37. Hey, if they can drop everything to "protect" marriage
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 06:35 PM by IanDB1
This has got to be at least as important, yes?

I think he's just pissed-off at Bush and the Repugs in general.

He's probably sold-out on SO MANY things, that he feels they owe him AT LEAST THIS ONE THING.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:36 PM
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40. Anyone...
... who has listened to this guy over the last couple of years knows he is a couple tacos short of a combination plate.

The poor old codger is just losing it, that's all.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:55 PM
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41. If ANY of you bothered to read the article
it wasn't about boxing, it was a power play between McCain & Speaker Hastert.

Hastert is mad McCain didn't support their Energy Bill. McCain fought back, & he won.

Hey folks, he's a fighter, so laugh all you want.Too bad I don't see the same kind of fighters on our side.

McCain just showed the power he wields, as the Republicans are infighting about control their party, just like the Dems.

Finally, as Chairman of the Commerce Committee, he was trying to improve boxing, which could certainly use improvement.

Sometimes in your haste to rejoice, you miss the big picture. I wish the Dems had 1 fighter in Congress as good as McCain.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:19 PM
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42. Hey, we've got Zell Miller, don't we?






<ducking for cover>



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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:40 PM
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43. Right, & Zell just got a new job
Guess where?

At FOX!
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:00 PM
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45. his pet project is a boxing commision
i can't not laugh.
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Royal Observer Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:48 PM
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44. I hope they run this guy in 08
They will lose; big time.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:36 AM
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48. Be careful what you wish for.
EOM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:01 PM
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46. I don't mind, since he's also apparently part of the oust Rumsfield gang
No confidence indeed.

Did I hear that the lawyer fighting in Ohio is McCain's lawyer? Or is that not correct.

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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:28 AM
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49. but what about my issues?!?!
who's gonna stop this madness of poorly sewn cheap clothing from china? faulty zippers, border stitches askew, hems easily undone... an atrocity! i want someone to push through congress for a declaration of war on china for bad haberdashery. something simply must be done! ...which republican can i get to support my issue? we can frame the issue in slogans: "a billion bombs for quality and not one cent for sloppy embroidery!" hmm, needs work. perhaps i can horse trade with mccain -- a boxing commision for a war with china. :crazy:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:13 AM
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50. I'll take him seriously
when he cleans up the WWE

:eyes:
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