Bizzaro Fox News World: Wm Bennett singing Dean's praises for DNC Chair

[Justitia]

wow - channel surfing and only stopped at Fox because I saw Howard Dean's pic flash up. Discussion about DNC chair.

I believe it was Hannity's show. Guests were Wm Bennett and Jerry Brown (Oakland, CA mayor).

Jerry Brown was dissing Dean, saying he was the wrong choice, he brought "too much baggage", blah, blah, blah...various other criticisms in how he wouldn't be right for the role. STFU Jerry Brown.

Wm Bennett, however, had genuine, warm praise for Dean. Talked about how he has debated with Dean, and admires and likes him. Said he was incredibly intelligent, passionate and a real advocate for his party. He said "I don't believe Dean is a "looney liberal", I believe he is a "liberal", and he isn't afraid to say that". He said he thought Dean could be very effective in red states as he is plain spoken and a Washington outsider. He also hailed his positive experience as a governor. He said he would be a real plus for the Dem party and if he were picking, Dean would be his pick. Now, this was not snarky, backhanded compliments, he was very genuine and sincere in his comments - very opposite of Jerry Brown. I know, I know, it's Bill Bennett, but he seemed forthright on this and I was floored.

Alan Colmes, token liberal, also had warm words for Dean.

What kind of bizarro world are we in when Wm Bennett agrees with so many of us and Jerry Brown is slamming Dean from inside the party?????

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

1. Dean has more respect than we might know. Though the caricature

painted of him in the RW media might do damage to his chances none the less. :(

[Chipper Chat]

2. Yes, but Hannity closed the interview with this:

(In a snarky voice) "I would LOVE to see Howard Dean as chairman."
chuckle-chuckle-chuckle. Yessir Shawn - so you can rip him apart for the next 4 years - you no-credibility pseudo-"journalist."

[autorank]

3. Dean spanked him in debate; now "Mr. Values" is in love.

[liberalnurse]

5. Sweet.......

and sooooo true.......you are hilarious......:bounce:

[autorank]

10. Thanks!

:toast:

[Rockerdem]

4. Repukes playing with our heads

First of all, dont watch that crap.

Second, let's make our decisions based on our own terms and criteria. Creeps like Bennett can GTH.

[Justitia]

7. I don't watch Fox, just a rare stop as I saw Dean's pic fly by

Always on the lookout for repuke mind games, but this seemed definitely different. What was notable was how negative Jerry Brown was and how sincere Bennett seemed. As a previous poster mentioned, maybe he did fall in love with Dean after getting his clock cleaned in a debate with him. Dean wiped the floor with Nader and Nader likes him too. I remember reading a former opponent for the governors race in VT saying that he dropped out of the race after debating Howard Dean, saying, "I can't disagree with this guy and what he says, I can't run against him".

Maybe there is something to be said for being able to earn the respect of those politically opposite of you, making them even like you in the process.....

[Krocksice]

25. gonna have to disagree with that one...

I heard the Nader/Dean debate and I think Dean was really weak in that one. That was when they were still trying to convince him not to run. I love the guy, but it's hard for anyone to beat Nader in a clash of liberalism.

[blackangrydem]

16. Stop being afraid of Fox

Knowledge is power. Discernment is key.

[saracat]

6. Bennett thinks Dean would hang us. So he will lobby for him.

I would like for Dean to get it, but I don't think Bennett likes Dean. it is more what he thinks is bad for us! As for Brown, Dean isn't a liberal and Brown truly is. Now why isn't anyone mentioning Brown for head of the DNC? Just occurred to me. Hmmm. But anyway, Brwn remembers when Dean was voted fifth most conservative governor in the nation by the Governors Conference. Dean was too conservative for me, which is why I couldn't support him in the primary. Dean himself acknowledges that Kerry is far more liberal than he is. That being said, I think Dean would be great for DNC chair and I have already lobbied for him with those who have a vote!

[Andromeda]

24. Jerry Brown was know as "Governor Moonbeam"

when he was governor of California. He's mayor of Oakland now and he's doing a pretty good job and seems to be in his element.

Brown hasn't said anything complimentary about ANY Democrat as far as I can remember. He's a bit of an egotist and somewhat eccentric.

[bklyncowgirl]

26. Oddly enough Brown did a fundraiser for Dean in the primaries

I'm not even sure Brown's a Democrat any more. I thought he bolted the party after Clinton pulled some dirty tricks on him in the 92 primaries.

Kind of weird if you ask me.

[whirlygigspin]

8. another example

Even republicans prefer liberals with conviction like Dean over the mealy mouthed spineless weasels like Al Frommage and the DLC that make Neville Chamberlain look like a fighter.

[slay]

9. Reverse psychology - they are scared of Dean, his message, his passion

What better way to freak out long time Dems than to make them think peeps at Fawx News want him. The centrist Dems (republican lite) do not want him because he plays the game differently than they do. Dean actually tries to do the right thing and that scares certain Dems who know in their heart that they are not doing the right thing and are at risk of being exposed. I am not doubting that they "think" they know what's best for us, but so does Bush. The heart and soul of this party want Dean. We need a leader we can trust and admire.

[KittyWampus]

33. Nonsense. Fox Knows Dean's Not Getting It & Just Do This To Stir Shit Up

[Anakin Skywalker]

11. Don't Ever Trust Billy Bennett.

Rethugs want Dems to nominate into leadership positions those whom they (the Rethugs) view as ultra-left because they hope it will scare centrists/moderates into voting for their Rethug candidates whom might be seen as reasonable centers by comparison. It is all a ploy. You have to look past false compliments.

[Voltaire99]

12. Get wise, Justitia.

"STFU Jerry Brown."

Sigh. Do some research. You might start here:
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank02142004.html

There's a reason these right wingers dig Dean: they know that beneath his bluster, he has a long record as a corporate servitron. Dean's no liberal; he's not even anti-war.

Jerry Brown, however, has quite a liberal pedigree--he's from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, one that Howard Dean is trying gamely to join.

[Justitia]

31. does Joshua Frank like ANY dem? I don't think so.

IIRC, he left the Green party (who he also slams mercilessly) because he thought they moved too far to the right. Sorry, Joshua Frank does not appeal to my political sensibilities. I see him as another MoDo - tearing apart eventually everyone, constructive criticism for no one.

And Jerry Brown has enough "baggage" of his own to consider, without talking about anyone else's on Faux News.

As far as "anti-war" goes...Dean was anti this Iraq war, and what he said made sense to me - you obviously see him quite differently - to each his own.

[Larkspur]

34. Dean never said he was a pacifist

He said that he opposed Bush's Iraq war on moral grounds because Bush did not prove that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States. Dean said that he did not oppose war but that he would not send our troops into harm's way without a true moral justification.

[GainesT1958]

13. The only reason people like Bill Bennett are for Dr. Dean...

Is that they just KNOW deep down in the recesses of their extremely narrow minds--they don't come equipped with actual hearts, of course--that Howard Dean as DNC Chairman would hopelessly divide and serve to destroy the Democratic Party on a national level. And they also know that they've got a lot of DLC types who openly agree with them.x(

Now, I don't agree with their assessment of Dr. Dean, of course--even though he's not my first choice, either; Si Rosenberg is--but that's exactly why they are talking him up right now.

No, I don't want ANY Repub telling me who THEY would like to see elected as DNC Chairman. I want to see someone they DON'T think to be a very good choice--maybe even someone for whom they hold open contempt--because that's exactly who WE need to head the DNC over the next two years!

:kick:

B-)

[Malikshah]

14. Shades of Rove on July 4 2003

Mr. Pasty ass chortling over Dean...made major headlines here...

SEE.. Rove wants Dean...of course he'll lose--aaaah. the sky is falling.

Folks-- it's called thinking and feeling for ourselves-- no matter who is chosen--at least let it be by our own accord--not some pathetic pseudo-intellectual clap trap a la "the Princess Bride" (i.e. That's what you'd *like* me to think...poison game)

[AntiCoup2K4]

23. Exactly. It's a repeat of their primary strategery.

let's try to get the Democrats to believe that Republicans actually want Dean, so they won't pick him, and instead they'll put in that weak suckass from Warren Commission II. Just like the weak suckass they put in the last time they wanted to stop Dean.

[kodi]

15. did bennett give any odds?

:spank:

[Julien Sorel]

17. Gee, an endorsement by William Bennett.

Now that's the kind of thing that pulls weight. Kind of reminds me of Tucker Carlson wearing a Dean button, or Karl Rove saying, "Go, Dean! That's the one we want."

I'm actually amazed Jerry Brown, who is the ultimate anti-establishment politician, would oppose Dean. You'd think they would be political soulmates, or close to it. Did he say who he supported, or did he just knock Dean?

[AmerDem]

18. They're getting worried

They think Roemer might be named. He had alot of air time during the 911 Commission hearings and came across as strong, articulate and competent. Roemer sounds like a good pick although I like Dean also.

[madfloridian]

19. So now the right wing wants Dean as DNC chair so he can destroy us?

LOL :crazy: :silly: B-)

They wanted him as president because he could not win. Now they are supposedly pushing him for DNC chair.

I am sorry, that is so silly.

As to Jerry Brown, I don't have a clue. Maybe because Dean is more moderate than him? I don't know.

Why did Tucker Carlson stand up for him lately (today?) more than the Democrats on the panel? I saw the transcript.

Something is very strange when many Republicans do this, but it is even stranger that our own Democrats are running away from him.

:think:

[hatrack]

32. Nah, Bennett & Hannity (& Fox) all want Dean for one reason

So that Fox can run the scream in a tape loop for the next four years and remind America of that CRAZY HOWARD DEAN and all those CRAZY DEMOCRATS. :eyes:

[Geek_Girl]

20. I wouldn't bother trying to figure

Out the fucked up mind games the republicans play. I want Dean for chair period. As for Jerry Brown he's just weird. :silly:

[Radical Activist]

21. Why does Bennett think Dean is a liberal?

He's a smart guy. Where does this idea come from? Why does he think Dean isn't afraid to call himself a liberal? huh It cant be that Dean ever did anything to give anyone that impression!

It doesn't surprise me that the liberal is opposing Dean and the corporate conservative his supporting him. Dean is probably closer to Bennett than Brown on economic issues.

[Nordic]

38. cuz he watches Fox News

and that's what they told him

[SemperEadem]

22. Jerry Brown is stuck in the wayback machine

things have advanced in his absence 'from court'.

He seems to be hatin' on Dean, like many dye-in-the-wool old school Dem leaders from 20+ years ago. Dean scares the shit out of them because Dean stated back during the primaries something along the lines that the leadership of the Democratic Party needed to change--and they didn't like that. Dean has got grassroot raising abilities and they don't.

[bklyncowgirl]

27. Jerry Brown's as maverick as they get

Like I said in my previous post, I'm not even sure he's a Democrat any more. I believe he ran for Mayor of Oakland as an independent. I didn't hear what Brown said but whatever it is it ain't a mainstream Democrat view. Also, Brown was quite the fiscal conservative as Governor--or as he put it "I'm not conservative, I'm just cheap."

I don't get this one, really.

[Pepperbelly]

28. Now THAT worries me ...

I have come around to support Howard for DNC chair yet, if Bennett likes him, it gives me pause. Not for anything Dr. Dean says or does but because of Bennett's duplicitous nature and his hatred of all things Democratic.

[lateo]

29. This is the same rope-a-dope manuver...

they gave Dean during the primaries...KKKarl Rove was saying he hoped that Dean would get the nod but in reality Dean was their greatest fear.

[Mike L]

30. Wm Bennett and Hannity back Dean for DNC Chair-- nuff said.

They aren't smart enough to use reverse psychology.

YeeeeaaAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Malva Zebrina]

35. I don't think Dean should do it

He will be controlled and has far more talent than to be on the chopping block trying to convince Democrats that going to the right is not the way to preserve Democracy.

I would not like to see Dean shuffled off in that way.

Naturally, those on the right would like to put him there, to fight with Democrats, like the DLC.

Nope--I think his talent is wasted there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Did He Say That Between Slot Machines?

eom

[Nordic]

37. Oddly, my RW father respects Dean as well

I don't know why, I guess they see most liberals as smarmy and slick and Dean is neither.

And how can you not respect a guy who really gets out there and fights?