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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:28 PM
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David Brock's letter to Bill O'Reilly
Brock decided to respond to O'Lielly finally. Great stuff. From the Media Matters e-mail update....

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Letter from David Brock to Bill O'Reilly

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412160011

Bill O'Reilly
The O'Reilly Factor
FOX News Channel
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036

Dear Mr. O'Reilly:

In May of this year, I asked that you allow me to come on The O'Reilly Factor to discuss your attacks on philanthropist George Soros. Your producer denied my request, saying you were no longer discussing the topic. Yet in subsequent weeks, you continued to discuss Mr. Soros on your radio and television programs. Despite my offer to discuss Soros, you still did not invite me on -- even complaining during your June 1 Radio Factor, "I mean, we really can't get anybody in here that's not a raving, raving Far-Left person, and why we would want to do that, I don't know."

In recent months, you have repeatedly attacked me and my organization, Media Matters for America:

On the June 28 O'Reilly Factor, you referred to Media Matters as a "Far Left website";
On the August 5 Radio Factor, you likened Media Matters to Mao Zedong;
On the August 5 O'Reilly Factor, you claimed your critics are "hiding"; in response, I reiterated my willingness to appear on your television show;
During your August 7 debate with New York Times columnist Paul Krugman on CNBC, you compared Media Matters to the Ku Klux Klan and Fidel Castro;
On August 13, Media Matters noted your recent attacks on us, and wondered how long it would be before you compared us to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. It took less than a month: On the September 14 Radio Factor, you referred to comments I made as "Joseph Goebbels Nazi stuff";
On the December 9 Radio Factor, you called Media Matters "the most vile, despicable human beings in the country";
On the December 14 Radio Factor, you called Media Matters "sneaky"; accused us of "tak things out of context"; called us a "Far Left, deceitful, disgusting website"; and called us "character assassins" and "despicable weasels."
As you can see, Mr. O'Reilly, you have repeatedly and personally attacked me, Media Matters for America, and my fine staff, calling us "vile," "despicable," and "weasels," and comparing us to the Ku Klux Klan, Castro, Mao, and the Nazis. And you have refused my repeated requests to appear on your broadcast.

You once offered your viewers your definition of the word "coward." On the January 5, 2004, O'Reilly Factor, you declared: "If you attack someone publicly, as these men did to me, you have an obligation to face the person you are smearing. If you don't, you are a coward."

Well, Mr. O'Reilly, you have attacked me publicly on numerous occasions, and you refuse to face me. You, sir, are a coward -- by your own definition of the term. You are "hiding under your desk" (to paraphrase your August 26, 2003, claim about a "coward" who declined to appear on your show) rather than allowing me on your program to discuss your insults. You are "gutless," to borrow the phrase you used on January 10, 2003, and February 8, 2001, to describe people who would not appear on your program. I attach additional examples of your pejorative descriptions of those who decline invitations to appear on your broadcast.

Your frequent complaint that your words are taken out of context appears to have spurred your recent assault on my organization. While reasonable people can disagree about conclusions we, or you, have drawn about your comments, you are simply wrong to say that we took you out of context. I remain willing and eager to appear on either your television or radio program to discuss your contention that my organization has taken your comments out of context.

Should you continue to refuse this offer, it is only reasonable that the American people will conclude that you are not only -- as you would put it -- a "coward," but a hypocrite as well.

Sincerely,

David Brock
President and CEO
Media Matters for America


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Highlights from Bill O'Reilly's comments about people who refuse to appear on his program

O'Reilly frequently calls people "cowards":

The O'Reilly Factor, 1/5/04:

O'REILLY: John Wright, The Herald Journal, Logan, Utah: "I graduated from one of the best journalism schools in the country, the University of Florida. You, Bill, are not a journalist. You spew propaganda. For example, you said the journalism professors from Rutgers and Lehigh were cowards because they would not come on The Factor. That's not true. Maybe they simply didn't want to appear."

Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Wright. If you attack someone publicly, as these men did to me, you have an obligation to face the person you are smearing. If you don't, you are a coward. Wise up, sir.

The O'Reilly Factor, 12/19/03:

O'REILLY: We asked them both Miller and Lule to appear on The Factor, but they are too frightened.

<...>

O'REILLY: But, Professor Navasky, what you're missing is -- you're missing that Lule and Miller and all of these other cowards who make these erroneous statements and won't back them up by coming in here and talking about them are basically telling their students in big schools -- Rutgers is a big school, all right -- that the FOX News Channel is not worthy, it's not journalism, it's garbage and ignore it. And that, sir, is dishonest and doesn't serve the student well.

NAVASKY: OK. First of all, I don't know that you know that they're cowards, and secondly --

O'REILLY: Yes, we know. We gave them --

NAVASKY: And secondly --

O'REILLY: We gave them any time they could appear.

The O'Reilly Factor, 8/26/03:

O'REILLY: I mean, this Dan Golden was a coward. We tried to get him on. He hid under his desk.

The O'Reilly Factor, 4/24/03:

O'REILLY: You know, I am so angry. I am so angry, Niger . I mean I'm almost at the verge -- if Hynes were here --

INNIS: Well, you should be.

O'REILLY: And he's a coward. He's a coward because we gave him months. This story was on the board before the war, Niger. All right. We bumped it because of the war. We gave Hynes months to come up with his side of the story, explain it to us, tell us what happened, why he did it, and, you know, he gave us the finger. That's what he did.

O'Reilly calls people "gutless":

The O'Reilly Factor, 1/10/03:

O'REILLY: He may have? That's not his prerogative. We have to demand, Mr. Sullivan, you at Harvard, me here on The Factor, and everybody in the state of Massachusetts and around the country that these principals uphold principles and not run and hide.

Look, this guy could be sitting where you're sitting, Mr. Sullivan. He could be in your chair. He's gutless.

The O'Reilly Factor, 2/8/01:

O'REILLY: Waxman wouldn't come on this program, by the way. He's gutless.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:32 PM
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1. Excellent - this I bookmarked!
:-)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:32 PM
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2. Was it Paul Krugman who said it was hard to "debate" O'Reilly
because he just made up lies out of whole cloth? I very highly doubt that Waxman would refuse to go on O'Reilly's show.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:41 PM
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20. I think Krugman was quoted as saying...
"How do you debate someone like Bill O'Reilly, who just makes shit up?"

I think he really did use the term "makes shit up" to describe O'Reilly.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:32 PM
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3. Fucking Fabulous.....
What a great letter! Olberman should love this...I'm passing it on to him now!
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:33 PM
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4. Go Media Matters!!!!
It's great to see someone call out O'Reilly and expose him for the gasbag that he is.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:33 PM
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5. God bless you, David Brock!
And God damn you, Bill O'Reilly...
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:45 PM
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15. Brock's officially forgiven for being a former right winger
Although he was forgiven (at least by ne) the moment he started Media Matters.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:27 PM
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19. I forgave him a few years ago.
After reading "Blinded by the Right" I believed that David had honestly atoned. I haven't changed my perception.
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:35 PM
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6. Great Stuff! Wonder of Luffa Boy has the nads
to have him on. I love seeing Billy lose it like he did with Franken, it exposes him as the crybaby he is.

Good Luck David! let us know (fat chance) if he accepts!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:41 PM
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7. Brock should not even give O'Lielly the respect of going on his show.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 04:43 PM by BrklynLiberal
He never broadcasts it live, and will edit it so Brock looks bad!!! It is no-win situation for anyone who goes on the O'Lielly Show!!
The only fair chance would be if the two of them were on someone else's show...live!!!
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:41 PM
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8. O Reilly has me blocked on email
or else I would be sending him a message.

anyone else have this problem? First complaint to him and now no access.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:05 PM
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13. What? You should let Media Matters know this
This must be how they can claim that their email is 'overwhelmingly positive' or whatever vomit they peddle.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:43 PM
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9. I just read that letter in my e-mail and I do have to say
David Brock, you do have my respect. It's about time someone called that POS out on his outright lies and hypocrisy.

I'd love to see David Brock take on Sean Hannity as well. He's another one that makes crap up as he's spewing his bile.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:44 PM
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10. Is there anyone of FAUX NEWS that does not???
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:47 PM
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11. Shocking! I almost falafel my chair
Good going Brock.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 08:32 PM
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29. "I almost falafel my chair"
*snarf*

RL
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:39 AM
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33. LOL!
Great use of words!

ROFLMAO!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:57 PM
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12. From now on we should refer to O'Reilly as "Gutless" O'Reilly
Gutless Bill O'Reilly certainly deserves that prefix to his name.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:09 PM
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14. Time to play the falafel card
LOL.

I hate O'Reilly. He is a windbag and a hypocrite.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:43 PM
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16. Brock Rocks!!
:yourock: I heard him today on NPR.... he "gets it" about the right wing spin machine, and he KNOWS it's not good for Democracy!! He calls it what it is:

PROPAGANDA!!!



:kick::kick:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:24 AM
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17. Mr Brock was on "Fresh Air" last night
And gave his version of his transformation from repuke wind and dirtbag to real human being.

"I hated myself" he said of the days when he was glorifying Clarence Thomas and demonizing the Democrats.

May all sick Repukes change as Brock has done.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:39 PM
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18. SO WHAT? Is this a challenge or a mutter?
Unless Brock is willing to stand in front of a national audience - say on a national TV news show, or a Sunday interview show - and state this openly and plainly, this complaint means nothing.

Slapping an enemy in private and whispering "Gee, maybe we should have a duel" is NOT the way you handle an affront to your enemy. Neither is telling your buddies in private, which is what any leftward web site or "open letter" is. You challenge your enemy in public. You dare him to pick up the challenge before total strangers.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:33 PM
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21. And how would you suggest he do this?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:47 AM
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31. How should he do it? If I were him...
...and was talking on a talk show about anything, I would not talk about anything except what they expected in the pre-interview.

Then, when the cameras were live, and I was talking about my book project or whatever, I'd come out and say "I challenge him. I call him coward. Stand up or throw down."

I know, this might make him look like something besides the traditional pink-tutu-wearing Democrat. It might make him look like an impassioned human being, and that would be out of place in the world of lame, intellectual discussion. But it would do something that the current Democratic Party can't do - it would WORK.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:58 PM
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26. The only outlets David has are NPR and Air America...
and he talks about Oreilly all the time when he's on.

The cable channels are treating him the same way Orielly does. He targets all of them on his Media Matters website.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:59 PM
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27. There's a reason he can't and it's spelled out in Brock's book,
"The Republican Noise Machine."

Hasn't it ever struck you odd that no competent LWers ever appear on TV?

"Noise" explains why, and doesn't pull it's punches.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:54 AM
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32. Is that an explanation or an excuse?
I personally don't know Brock or his work, but does he write books? Does he have a book to sell? If so, someone will have him on the air somewhere. That's where he can tell O'Reilly, "Apologize or fill your hand, you liar."

There are ways to think outside the box. There are ways to get their attention and get past their sensors. Hell, he could throw a custard pie in O'Reilly's face at a public podium, or slap him so hard his head rocks and his wig falls off.

What's the matter? Too impassioned? Too "un-mannered?" Not the kind of polite debate that Democrats always try, but which doesn't do a damn thing? If he is that upset at O'Reilly, if he really believes he must be challenged, he has to stop letting O'Reilly and this so-called noise machine make the rules.

Because if the Republicans have demonstrated anything, it's this: there ARE no rules. There are absolutely no rules at all.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:30 PM
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22. Good for David!
Welcome back from the dark side, David!
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:33 PM
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23. In the spirit of Xmas let's give O'Reilly gifts
let's show him we are nice people and send him a Xmas present. Anyone have his mail addy? I was thinking of giving him a loofa. what if we all sent him a loofa or two?;-)

And maybe to further the spirit of Xmas, let's send Rush a pee test cup....
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 05:23 PM
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28. I like that idea
except that I would just send a picture of one with a little note.

"Sorry, I can't afford a real loofah for you Mr. Bill. Since the economy hasn't really rebounded all that well in our part of the world, I have to watch my pennies. But it's the thought that counts, right? Happy Jesus' Birthday!"
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 08:35 PM
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30. I think a falafel might be more affordable for everyone! nt
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:39 PM
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24. thank god...
...for david brock and mmfa

and to the evil oreilly ....


FALAFEL
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:58 PM
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25. Excellent! Made Me Get Misty (snif snif)
Beautiful just beautiful!:)
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:04 AM
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34. I Love David Brock.
He is an intelligent and talented man, as well as a warrior for integrity in the media.

David, you officially rock!!
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