Wm Kristol wants Rummy out now...How about PNAC out as well

[EVDebs]

In today's paper we find PNACer Bill Kristol trying to fob off blame for the Iraq mess onto Donald Rumsfeld...who was only making do with the policies he was given ! Policies from PNAC and Chalabi who were demanding that Iraq would be a cakewalk...

I say if Rumsfeld goes Kristol and Company (Project for New American Century and its handmaiden Office of Special Plans embedded within DoD) should be barred from the Defense Department in any way shape or form for at least 10 years !!!!!!!

[Skidmore]

1. PNAC wants Rummy gone because he is

screwing up the program for them. They will push for Perle or that smarmy Wolfowitz or Feith to replace him.

[gWbush is Mabus]

2. god, i hate all of them u mentioned

[jean]

3. if Rumsfeld is sacked, it's because he's a civilian who doesn't know

squat and doesn't care about the integrity of the military. His minions, Wolfowitz and Feith are just as culpable.

How could bush replace him with any of the incompetent war criminals who have had ongoing, intimate involvement conducting 'the war' effort over there?

[EVDebs]

5. Where's the Exit Plan ?

I see the cabinet shuffle exit plan, but no 'exit plan' a la the Powell Doctrine (oh, that's right, Bush shit-canned the Powell Doctrine). How are they going to get out of Mess-o-potamia ??

Gen Franks' book says were stuck for five years...Sen McCain says on CNN nope, we're stuck for ten to twenty years.

The taxpayer is going to put the 'stop payment' on this war pretty soon and it isn't going to take that long. The Republican party is going downhill fastern a speeding bullet.

[Generator]

4. Nah, I have a better idea

Give Rummy a medal. That should solve the problem. No wait-first he must resign for personal reasons. Then all will be hunky dorey. I hear all our intelligence problems with the CIA were recently solved that way.

[Disturbed]

6. Rumsfailed is a disaster but....

who is the Commander In Chief?

The Rethugs now are piling on in search of the scapegoat for their failures. Rumsfailed is an admitted War Criminal. The fact that he hasn't been impeached and charged with War Crimes is directly the fault of Congressional weasles.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

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Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-2004May13.htm



Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

[UTDemocrat8204]

7. Yes

No more PNAC. Isn't Cheney involved in PNAC too? And Wolfowitz? I remember reading about that letter they wrote to Clinton in 1996/1997. One of those years.

[Disturbed]

8. Perle even said...

that the Iraqi invasion was illegal as it concerned Intl. Law and in the same sentence said nothing to be done about that and it was the correct action. It is plain to me that that Amerika is no longer a "democracy" or even a representative Republic. Amerika is now a Fascist Nation in the Mussolini model. It has been an Oligarchy for the past 50 years or so and transitioned to Fascism. Soon Amerika will be a Fascist Police State with Gonsalez as AG, P. Goss CIA and a new NID.

[Donna Zen]

9. The ever moving buck:

PNAC is trying to say that the war plans (Rummy) rather than the "concept" of PNAC was flawed.

At least that is what Wes Clark said last night. Clark said that the concept is the problem.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Barred for 10 years? Not good enough.

They are agents of a foreign government, putting the security of the United States in peril deliberately to further the interests of that foreign power. As such, they have committed treason, and should be in prison. Or in front of a firing squad, which I believe is still the legal penalty for traitors.

[EVDebs]

11. Right on the money ! Chalabi's crew were Iranian spies

but this bunch of neocons took the WHOLE COUNTRY for a ride. Impeachment proceedings should have been started long ago.