If Bev Harris is the "expert" on BBV how come she never knew about

[burythehatchet]

Clint Curtis?

I see that Curtis has affirmed that he had been trying to get some attention for his story.

Why is it that every talented person who got involved ended up alienated, pretty much insuring an incoherent strategy.

It may be late Friday night and I might be a little drunk, but I think we got hosed.

Flame on

[JohnnyCougar]

1. Because Bev lives in a fantasy world.

Nothing is important to her but her own take on her own work.

[pleiku52cab]

2. Check Bev's site

About 2 weeks ago she really scorched Curtis

[burythehatchet]

3. interesting

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[GregD]

9. see www.bradblog.com

[bullimiami]

5. bev isnt in charge of the whole world

she has a very specific focus and a very careful way of working. it involves actual evidence and those things she feels she is able to prove.

i dont know why she is blamed for the failures of the entirety rather than praised for the successes she has had.

[americanstranger]

6. Yeah, a specific focus -

'Tune in tomorrow.'

-as

[zulchzulu]

7. Until Curtis can get original source code from Yang...what's the point

His story is interesting from a programming standpoint and his prototype code based on what he recalled from his experience at Yang showing basic Visual Basic skills talking to Microsoft Access databases gives an idea on how it could be done, but it proves NOTHING.

Until he can get his hands on the original source code that can be decompiled and he or others can oversee and decomplie code from the electronic voting machines in question, it's just like a dog chasing its own tail.

Curtis' contributions to the cause are minimal in terms of having a smoking gun on the BBV scandal.

It's like someone showing you that a gunshot can kill somebody by going into a shooting gallery and hitting the target...and thus proving that someone used a gun to kill someone in a specific murder. Where's the gun and the fingerprints from the killer?

[Geek_Girl]

10. Why can't

Someone just get ahold of one of the voting machines and find the DLL or compiled code out of the machine. Once we have the compiled code we can reverse engineer the compiled code and then review the source code.

Just someone needs to get ahold of a voting machine that was used in the election. I would think you could get the code from the machine itself.

[zulchzulu]

12. The machines are owned by private companies and code is "proprietary"

That's what I've heard anyway.

In terms of Curtis' code, his prototypes were built with an Access file and some VB code that was a form...nothing really indicated how it was flipped other than the idea that certain keys could be pressed and allow the Access file to be altered...hit F8 to go into a editable form that talks to the Access code.

The code used in the various BBV boxes probably had the same functionality, but without getting the ability to get the code from the specific machines in question and the ability to decompile the code as well as any log files showing alterations to the databases...it is pointless speculation.

[Geek_Girl]

13. Well I know you can reverse

engineer VB, .Net Code and I think Java code as well. So I'm not sure how they could stop you from decompiling it. There are all kinds of hack tools to do it. Someone just needs to get ahold of a machine and hack it.

[zulchzulu]

14. I hope it can be done...but apparently the machines are "private property"

The longer the machines are not under scrutiny, the colder the lead gets to the answer.

Perhaps we need to storm the location where the machines are now stored...
do you think they tampered with them since November 2nd?
:eyes:

[Geek_Girl]

15. They've probably have already switched

Out the machines by now. I don't know how anyone is going to catch them.

[LeftCoast]

8. Whatever you feel about Bev, I don't think it's helpful to trash her

I guess people really feel betrayed by her. Sorry. It's not about the leader, it's about the cause.

[GregD]

11. I don't think that is fair

He has already stated that he is not very political, and didn't realize that there was a controversy over paperless e-voting.

Hell, with the absence of media coverage, I can understand that he night not. There are lot of people that probably still don't know there is such a controversy.

OTOH, there are a lot of people that are so-called "BBV experts" and none of us know everything or everyone. I spent 9 months running www.verifiedvoting.org, along with a site on the subject for Rush Holt. I'm not sure what you consider to qualify for "expert status", but I'd say I know a hell of a lot about the subject. Was I also supposed to know about Clint? I don't think so...

Love Bev or hate her, but don't bitch her out for not knowing about the guy. We're all doing as much as we can with limited resources.

[zulchzulu]

16. Diebold's history of felons hired as e-voting developers

From another post but pretty relevant:

A Diebold subsidiary employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and developers.  These people helped write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

Jeff Dean, senior programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

Jeff Dean was served jail time for planting back doors in his client's accounting software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf