I have come to the conclusion....

[kentuck]

that the Bush supporters will stick with him until something happens to change their minds. But it will have to be something disastrous and obvious and undeniable. They have invested their own credibility in the Boy King. They pray that they have not made a mistake in judgement. But they have.

Only when it is shown in the bright light, the arrogance and incompetence of the leader of the Free World, will they come to their senses and open their eyes. Only when he cannot hide any longer his responsibility for the mess they find themselves in - only then will they point their little plastic fingers at George W.

But their denial runs deep and undercover. They will be slow to admit anything negative about their Leader. He graduated from Harvard Business School, don't you know? He must know what he's doing? Right?

[GRLMGC]

1. You know the only

way they'll get offended is there's a sex scandal, right? Everything else is fine. Illegal wars? Ok. Stripping of civil rights? It's all good. Sex w/ some intern? Off w/ his head, kick him outta office!

Seriously, this is the only way I see them turning against him.

[kentuck]

2. Where's Lucianne Goldberg when you need her...

(whispering) ..save the tapes....save the dress..you may need them in the future...

[gmoney]

4. Only if the intern is named "Steve"

They'll just say "nothing happened to Clinton because of Monica" so why should anything happen to George?

[GRLMGC]

8. He was only subject to a multi billion

dollar investigation and was impeached. Nothing at all

But I wouldn't be surprised if they used that lame excuse.

[blackangrydem]

6. A sex scandal may not do it

if he is tempted/trapped by some "evil woman".

He would be forgiven.

[GRLMGC]

7. This is true

damn it.

[liberalhistorian]

12. Exactly!

And they'd sure as hell find some way to get him out of it and avoid accountability. The woman will be a "loose liberal temptress" or it will be all the "evil, fallen woman's" fault, or Clinton will have put a spell on him and made him do it, etc., etc. NOTHING will EVER change these people's minds about him, he's God and that's that.

[mcscajun]

10. Any sex scandal would have to be on the "Louisiana model"

Edwin W. Edwards**, former governor of Louisiana once bragged that the only way he could lose an election in Louisiana was to get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

I think in the case of *, it would have to be both in order for his base to desert him.

** And Edwards knew about scandals...he stood trial on federal racketeering charges.

[UTDemocrat8204]

13. I believe you are right

Bush has done far worse things then Clinton. Even if they all lose their jobs (or majority anyways) they'd never blame it on Bush.

[Sal Minella]

18. The difference between the parties is....

I read somewhere too long ago.....with Dems it's always a sex scandal that does them in, with Repubs it's always a money scandal. Sounds about right.

[MichiganVote]

3. George Bush will bring the rapture don't you know.

In fact, he probably invented it.

[The Straight Story]

5. Does it matter?

He is out in 4 years, even if they change their minds it won't matter now - all that will happen (imho) is that they will look for a new rethug for 2008 to back - and then do so en masse.

People don't like to lose, even when wrong. They can write off * now, drop him as needed, to support their next candidate.

But will they change their core beliefs? No more than we will. Both sides have fundamentalists, and neither will budge. 2008 - a clean slate, no incumbent, and both sides will have a chance to get the middle to vote for their candidate.

Should be interesting....

[UTDemocrat8204]

14. Of course and then

Bush would campaign heavily for their person. Hmm, maybe that's why McCain backed Bush?

[DELUSIONAL]

9. bush supporters as cult members

A certain percentage of the bush supporters will defend him -- no matter what he does. They will forever be in deep denial -- these are the hard core Rush ditto head listeners -- and right wing nuts who really believe that god speaks through bush. There is no hope for these sleazy creeps.

Then there are the bush supporters who can be deprogrammed -- but a major shock will be needed -- the death of a family member or seeing bush as he really is -- a drunk (or dry drunk, and a foul mouthed, mother fucking frat boy.

There are the bush supporters who simply influenced by their peers -- and haven't really considered that bush doesn't share any values of hard working middle class people. These people will also need some sort of shock to separate them from their peer group -- the sense of belonging is very strong for this group. They are "belongers" -- the join associations and churches.

Then there are the weak supporters -- they can't see past the "republican" label. They simply don't question and don't think -- they don't have time to watch the news and don't discuss politics. Again this group will need a shock -- like a pink slip -- or somehow be directly impacted by one of the bush crime family's greedy crimes.

There are probably other types of bush supporters -- the band wagon riders -- who will turn on him if they see any signs of weakness.

[UTDemocrat8204]

17. I know plenty of good people

who are like your points three and four. I'm sure if I could get to them one by one and with some time then they could possibly be converted. These people are true Christians (I go to church with them) and great people but they probably don't know what all of us here do about Bush for whatever reason. One night on Wednesday in my church's college class they talked about politics but I wasn't there so sadly I didn't get the chance to debate. Heh. I wonder if something will ever happen though.

[demwing]

23. You've got to attack his strengths

Sneak on to his "ranch" and film him doing a brush clearing photo op, then turining the FOX cameras off and having some poor migrant worker finish the job while Bush laughs at him and taunts him in mock Spanish.

Or tape him admitting that he is using Jesus and Christianity to get votes, and that he can't stand the self righteous religious #$%^s..

Only then...

[DELUSIONAL]

26. Yes candid camera shots of bush being bush

a mean SOB who is a racist and only likes his own narrow circle of very rich people -- or daddy's gofers.

This visual information would get through to some of the cult members only if the clips are played over and over and over.

My elderly German friends tell me that bush is developing some of the same mannerisms and skills that Hitler used. Hitler was able to project himself as the perfect leader --- he was a cult leader and he used a lot of the same techniques used by the Moonies etc.

Wouldn't it be interesting if a researcher in the coming decades discoverers that bush was merely a puppet for the Moonies? Standing behind bush there are some powerful people who know how to manipulate the masses -- I've seen a lot of the techniques used by Evangelical charismatic preachers -- bush isn't skilled enough with English -- his handlers are using the media and shaping the message that reaches the masses. But the basic plea to the emotions of the masses is in the bush "message" -- Christian mythology -- basic tent evangelical messages used by the politician (bush crime family).

I would guess that Americans would be ashamed that they are being played like dumb marks by a very skilled con artist -- if there were some way to get through to Americans still able to be shamed by the fact that they are being used by very rich con men -- people would wake up and see that the Emperor is stark raving NAKED!

[Nordic]

11. like what?

Seriously, how can it get any worse than it already has?

We've got the Iraq war, based on what were clearly lies.

We've got Abu Ghraib.

We've got Plame.

I seriously think Bush can do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, and get away with it.

Because he already has.

[UTDemocrat8204]

20. Is he going to

start concentration camps for democrats and liberals next? Not to bring up bad memories or anything but Bush can do no wrong in people's eyes. *sigh* It's sick.

[billie_]

25. I agree with you totally Nordic...

i don't understand why, but it seems to be the case...it is so surreal, it makes me crazy...no matter what he does, it is ok....

:wtf:

[IndianaGreen]

15. You are too optimistic, kentuck!

The hard core of the Bush supporters will stick with him just like many Nazi Germans stuck with Hitler even after Germany's defeat.

[kentuck]

16. Perhaps you are right, IG...

They will go down with their Fuhrer...

[IndianaGreen]

19. Unfortunately, they will destroy the country in the process

We always have Canada as an option, until Bush swallows that country like Hitler did Austria.

[Griffy]

21. They never will admit... even when asked about the 7 minutes,..

bush sat in that classroom on 911... no repug would admitthat bush shoulda got up and found out what was happening!... they will twist themselves in knots to deny any truth that goes against them. To the end.. better will be defections like Jeffords did.

[Griffy]

22. Many believe bible fact and science opinion.. and you want reason.. nt

[zann725]

24. If 9/11 was an 'inside job'...and something leading right back to him...

Something like that just might.

Or if actual audio or video tapes turned up of him plotting the fixing of the Election with Kkkarl & Co.

But I agree, it would have to be 'major.'

[mattclearing]

27. They used to say the same thing about Bill Clinton.

Chances are that looking at this from both sides can be informative on exactly who or what is controlling this country and to what end.