Christmas gives us a chance to turn the right wing relatives against

[GingerSnaps]

The Media!

The right wingers think that the media is liberal and we know that the media is owned by the rethugs. Christmas offers us a great opportunity to turn freeper relatives against the media. What could be more better than to get people on the right to turn against the media and the BS that they are trying to stuff down our throats.

Call it the Corporate owned media and tell the freepers at the dinner table that the corporations are pushing products, credit overload and bad information on us for their bosses and stocks. Tell them that the proof is that they put the products out in the stores several months before the Holiday and tell us that we need to buy unneeded junk so that their profits will go up. They will not be able to argue that point because Christmas merchandise was out back in August.

Put the idea out their and let them think about it. If we were to get both sides together and we both turned against the media we could possibly change the media.

I know that it's a far fetched idea but who knows it might help.

[Skidmore]

1. Not so far fetched.

The Media is also whipping this "Christ back into Christmas" controversy to the max. Why? Those who embrace it will also be good soldiers in the store aisles as well. And we who are in agreement about the extent of corporate control of our nation and commercialism, well--bah humbug--we'll just refuse to buy like unChristian heathens.

[sled]

3. Darn

You beat me to it... ;-) But who's all for piss testing, not speaking your mind, at work, as not to offend, etc., etc. ...the old chicken, or the egg argument, but the results are the same. Turn Americans into a bunch of "automatons", as Jefferson called it...

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"And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, and to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering."

http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl246....

[GingerSnaps]

4. Have they called us "Un American" yet? They will if we refuse to buy!

When will they start calling us Un American for not celebrating Christmas by buying tons of crap that we can't pay for afterwords.

Most of us max out our credit cards during the holidays and we end up regretting it in January.

I wounder what would happen if we all decided to have a dinner get together and celebrate the holiday without gifts.

I am with you on saying bah-humbug :hug:

[Spangle]

9. Refuse Gifts!

That is what I do. The only gifts I accept is from close family and friends. Even then, very limited.

Everyone else, I tell them the truth. I try to spread the word in advance, of course.

Christmas has become an uncontrolable monster. Gifts are being exchanged without true meaning. But because of expectations. This expection is being brought to us by business who wish to make a buck, no matter the actual cost to their customers. More people go in debit over Christmas, then any other reason. Buying gifts for people they don't need to by gifts for. And buying to much or to expensive gifts for people they should by gifts for. Totaly lost is the meaning of the gift exchange. Instead of a meaningful gift showing a labor of love or alot of thought, many gifts are bought that doesn't represent the giver or the reciever. Giving the impression that neither is "known."

I do not wish to be part of this process or create the added expense to my friends and love ones. I refuse to go in debit for Christmas and I don't wish to cause others do so as well. Since I don't know who may be doing this, I've decided not to accept gifts from anyone.

If someone still feels the need to give me a gift, I rather recieve it at another "non-burden" time.

I get this from my Mother. If I sent her a gift at Christmas, she would kill me the next time I seen her. The high cost of shiping, you know.. LOL! Now If I want to send her something she doesn't complain. I have a trucker friend who will drop it off near her home as he goes by. She will accept them that way. Tee Hee.. but not if I mail it. Go figure!

[sled]

2. Corporations in general

Where's the root of "political correctness" lie? Who started trying to throw Christmas, out of Christmas, by forcing their employees to say "Happy Holidays" instead, of "Merry Christmas", in order to not offend the customers? It wasn't the "liberals", so don't let them hang it around your neck, it came straight out of some corporate boardroom...a corporate brain fart, to protect profits...

[GingerSnaps]

5. I know

We need to fight them back and their tactic isn't going to work.

[katinmn]

6. include a little personal message in your X-mas card

[sled]

7. good one

Excellent card...

[s-cubed]

8. I've begun planting the idea with people that their news is

very incomplete, as a precursor to discussing the fraudulent election.
Ask them about the war in Iraq, for example: how many Iraqis have died? Why aren'e we gettting the coverage of the Iraq war that we got of Vietnam? Have they heard about the polls of people in other countries and what they think of * and Americans? Have they heard about the warnings of what our massive deficits are doing to the dollar and our trade deficit? Do they know how many jobs have been outsourced and not replaced? Have they heard about the election controversy in Ohio?

Add your own questions that match the interests of your friends/family. It's a good way to get instill doubt, and thus get a real conversation going. Until you instill doubt, you can't change a person's mind.