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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 12:47 PM Original message |
Bush's body count in Iraq vs. Clintons. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not if you take his father into account. |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. what then is 'acceptable' what number? :( |
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illflem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Don't junior hear this |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I always understood that the US had the upper hand in |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Denis Halliday, UN SG & Humanitarian Co-ordinator: |
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freeplessinseattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. what about all the children dying from malnutrition now? twice as many |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. just because Bush is a bastard devil, means that Clinton |
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freeplessinseattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I didn't suggest that Clinton's policies were great. Starbuck's time:) |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. who would even suggest that it excuses him... |
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clutchcargo (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. You have your facts wrong--- |
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freeplessinseattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Not According to UNICEF |
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Higans (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Here is an idea! |
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clutchcargo (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. At the rate we are going we will have to fight |
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ScrewyRabbit (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think by the end of Clinton's last term that they knew the sanctions |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. They knew for several years. It was "worth it". n/t |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. You're a brave one, TrustingDog |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Time for some real painful soul searching, isn't it? n/t |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. No self-respecting fan of Chomsky |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Kucinich? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. You sure about that? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. yeah, very sure. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Consistency is good |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. If he really did express support for the sanctions... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Partial transcript |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. So Kucinich opposed Clinton's sanctions, but not ALL sanctions... |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. There was no "correct" position |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. that isn't even close to what he said |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No. Kucinich had one position. He OPPOSED Clinton's sanctions... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. you like Kucinich, so you're justifying his words |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Yet he opposed the sanctions in 2000 very clearly |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. yet he clearly supported them in 2003 .... |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Howard Zinn warned us about so-called "progressive" Democrats |
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clutchcargo (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. How soon we forget about the cost in LIVES of |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. They weren't starving--food wasn't the problem |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
20. The moralizing is tedious |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
22. Per year, Bush has killed far more. n/t |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. so what's the magic number? |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I never said that Clinton wasn't a mass murderer. n/t |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. There is NO comparison. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Bush has killed tens of thousands more innocents... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I think that's a simplistic view |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. No simplification involved. That's what he did... |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. what would You The People have done if it were your choice? |
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WhereIsMyFreedom (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Who is to blame? |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. ""He did control the media after all."" |
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WhereIsMyFreedom (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. The 'he' in that paragraph |
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Revillusion1 (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
53. Well said |
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Revillusion1 (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
39. Let's pose the question a little differently... |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. agreed. but this is Not a new game. It's just closer to home. |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. are american lives worth more than others? |
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Revillusion1 (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. That would be why I said |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
46. I disagree |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. no, I'm not saying clinton is 'worse'. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
50. Was Nader also right when he said 'the missing explosives talk is a |
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TrustingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. moral and political compasses have little to do with... |
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