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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:26 PM
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Poll question: Do you agree with Pope John Paul II that Bush is the Anti-Christ?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:28 PM
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1. When did he say that? Link?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:29 PM
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2. yeah, really
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:31 PM
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5. Who cares ...
lets just go with it.

The question is whether you agree with him, not whether he actually said it.

This is how the Right operates.

Cheers
Drifter
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:37 PM
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10. "Make the son of a bitch deny it" ... eom
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:30 PM
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3. Of course, this reminds me...
back in the Eighties, it was pointed out that Ronald Wilson Reagan's first, middle and last names each had 6 letters(I.E.,666)
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Degeezer Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:32 PM
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6. Wouldn't that make George Walker Bush........
664?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:35 PM
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8. THE MARK OF ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE, THE BEAST!!!
(gasp, shudder...)
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:42 PM
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14. 664, the neighbour of the beast!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:27 PM
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21. LMAO
:)
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:29 PM
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22. Maybe the Grandfather of the Best?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:37 PM
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35. The Guy in the Apartment Next to the Beast
That would Suck! :evilgrin:
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:01 AM
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41. 701
the kitty corner from the beast.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:47 PM
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18. The story of Smirky's life--almost but not quite anything in particular
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Oddly Stevenson Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:12 AM
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25. He's probably still the beast......
....he just got the math wrong.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:47 PM
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33. You forgot something...
George Walker Bush-Jr
6 6 6
:evilgrin:
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SteveIrving1 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:34 PM
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7. Yes, here it is
This document is posted at:
http://groups.msn.com/DemocratsforChrist
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Subject:
Does The Pope Think GW Is The Anti-Christ http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042803_vatican.html



Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

Concerns Raised by the Vatican

by WAYNE MADSEN

(The following story was originally published by CounterPunch - www.counterpunch.org -
on April 22, 2003.
Reprinted with permission from the author)

APRIL 28, 2003, 1700 hrs PDT (FTW) -- George W. Bush proclaims himself a born-again Christian. However, Bush and fellow self-anointed neo-Christians like House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, and sports arena Book of Revelations carnival hawker Franklin Graham appear to wallow in a "Christian" blood lust cult when it comes to practicing the teachings of the founder of Christianity. This cultist form of Christianity, with its emphasis on death rather than life, is also worrying the leaders of mainstream Christian religions, particularly the Pope.

One only has to check out Bush's record as Governor of Texas to see his own preference for death over life. During his tenure as Governor, Bush presided over a record setting 152 executions, including the 1998 execution of fellow born-again Christian Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer who later led a prison ministry. Forty of Bush's executions were carried out in 2000, the year the Bush presidential campaign was spotlighting their candidate's strong law enforcement record. The Washington Post's Richard Cohen reported in October 2000 that one of the execution chamber's "tie-down team" members, Fred Allen, had to prepare so many people for lethal injections during 2000, he quit his job in disgust.

Bush mocked Tucker's appeal for clemency. In an interview with Talk magazine, Bush imitated Tucker's appeal for him to spare her life - pursing his lips, squinting his eyes, and in a squeaky voice saying, "Please don't kill me." That went too far for former GOP presidential candidate Gary Bauer, himself an evangelical Christian. "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death," said Bauer.

A former Texas Department of Public Safety officer, a devout Roman Catholic, told this reporter that evidence to the contrary, Bush was more than happy to ignore DNA data and documented cases of prosecutorial misconduct to send innocent people to the Huntsville, Texas lethal injection chamber. He said the number of executed mentally retarded, African Americans, and those who committed capital crimes as minors was proof that Bush was insensitive and a "phony Christian." When faced with similar problems in Illinois, Governor George Ryan, a Republican, commuted the death sentences of his state's death row inmates and released others after discovering they were wrongfully convicted. Yet the Republican Party is pillorying Ryan and John Ashcroft's Justice Department continues to investigate the former Governor for political malfeasance as if Bush and Ashcroft are without sin in such matters. Hypocrisy certainly rules in the Republican Party.

Bush's blood lust has been extended across the globe. He has given the CIA authority to assassinate those deemed a threat to U.S. national interests. Bush has virtually suspended Executive Orders 11905 (Gerald Ford), 12306 (Jimmy Carter), and 12333 (Ronald Reagan) which prohibit the assassination of foreign leaders. Bush's determination to kill Saddam Hussein, his family, and his top leaders with precision-guided missiles and tactical nuclear weapon-like Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) bombs is yet another indication of Bush's disregard for his Republican and Democratic predecessors. It now appears that in his zeal to kill Hussein, innocent civilian patrons of a Baghdad restaurant were killed by one of Bush's precision Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs). Like it or not, Saddam Hussein was recognized by over 100 nations as the leader of Iraq -- a member state of the United Nations. Hussein, like North Korea' Kim Jong Il, Syria's Bashir Assad, and Iran's Mohammed Khatami, are covered by Executive Order 12333, which the Bush mouthpieces claim is still in effect. Bush's "Christian" blood cult sees no other option than death for those who become his enemies. This doctrine is found no place in Christian theology.

Bush has not once prayed for the innocent civilians who died as a result of the U.S. attack on Iraq. He constantly "embeds" himself with the military at Goebbels-like speech fests and makes constant references to God when he refers to America's "victory" in Iraq, as if God endorses his sordid killing spree. He makes no mention of the children, women, and old men killed by America's "precision-guided" missiles and bombs and trigger-happy U.S. troops. In fact, Bush revels in indiscriminate blood letting. Since he never experienced such killing in Southeast Asia, when he was AWOL from his Texas Air National Guard unit, Bush just does not seem to understand the horror of a parent watching one's children having their heads and limbs blown off in a sudden blast of shrapnel or children witnessing their parents burning to death with their own body fat nurturing the flames.

Bush and his advisers, previously warned that Iraq's ancient artifacts and collection of historical documents and books were in danger of being looted or destroyed, instead, sat back while the Baghdad and Mosul museums and Baghdad Library were ransacked and destroyed. Cult leaders have historically attempted to destroy history in order to invent their own. The Soviets tried to obliterate Russia's Orthodox traditions, turning a number of churches into warehouses and animal barns. Cambodia's Pol Pot tried to wipe out Buddhism's famed Angkor Wat shrine in an attempt to stamp out his country's Buddhist history. In March 2001, while they were negotiating with the Bush administration on a natural gas pipeline, Afghanistan's Taliban blew up two massive 1600-year old Buddhas in Bamiyan. The Bush administration, itself run by fanatic religious cultists, barely made a fuss about the loss of the relics. It would not be the first time the cultists within the Bush administration ignored the pillaging of history's treasures.

The ransacking of Iraq's historical treasures is explainable when one considers what the blood cult Christians really think about Islam. Franklin Graham, the heir to the empire built up by his anti-Semitic father, Billy Graham, has decided being anti-Muslim is far more financially rewarding than being anti-Jewish. Billy Graham, history notes from the Nixon tapes, complained about the Jewish stranglehold on the media and Jews being responsible for pornography.

Franklin Graham continues to enjoy his father's unfettered and questionable access to the White House. But in the case of Bush, the younger Graham has a fanatic adherent. Graham has called Islam a "very evil and wicked" religion. He then announces he wants to go to Iraq. Graham obviously sees an opportunity to convert Muslims and unrepentant Eastern Christians, who owe their allegiance to Roman and Greek prelates, to his perverted form of blood cult Christianity. Graham says he is ready to send his Samaritan's Purse missionaries into Iraq to provide assistance. Muslims and mainstream Christians are wary that Graham wants to exchange food, water, and medicine for the baptism of Iraqis into his intolerant brand of Christianity. In the last Gulf War, Graham could not get away with his chicanery. The Desert Storm Commander, General Norman Schwarzkopf, stopped dead in the tracks Graham's plan to send 30,000 Arabic language Bibles to U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. Today's Pentagon shows no such compunction to put a rein on Graham. It invited him to give a Good Friday sermon at the Pentagon to the consternation of the Defense Department's Muslim employees. To make matters worse, under Bush's "Faith Based Initiative," Graham's Samaritan's Purse stands to receive U.S. government funds for its proselytizing efforts in Iraq, something that should be an affront to every American taxpayer.

Bush's self-proclaimed adherence to Christianity (during one of the presidential debates he said Jesus Christ was his favorite "philosopher") and his constant reference to a new international structure bypassing the United Nations system and long-standing international treaties are worrying the top leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. Well-informed sources close to the Vatican report that Pope John Paul II is growing increasingly concerned about Bush's ultimate intentions. The Pope has had experience with Bush's death fetish. Bush ignored the Pope's plea to spare the life of Karla Faye Tucker. To show that he was similarly ignorant of the world's mainstream religions, Bush also rejected an appeal to spare Tucker from the World Council of Churches - an organization that represents over 350 of the world's Protestant and Orthodox Churches. It did not matter that Bush's own Methodist Church and his parents' Episcopal Church are members of the World Council.

Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs, and his constant references to "evil doers," in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations - the anti-Christ. People close to the Pope claim that amid these concerns, the Pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament. Before he became Pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel." The Pope, who grew up facing the evils of Hitler and Stalin, knows evil when he sees it. Although we can all endlessly argue over the Pope's effectiveness in curtailing abuses within his Church, his accomplishments external to Catholicism are impressive.

According to journalists close to the Vatican, the Pope and his closest advisers are also concerned that the ultimate acts of evil - the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon - were known in advance by senior Bush administration officials. By permitting the attacks to take their course, there is a perception within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy that a coup d'etat was implemented, one that gave Bush and his leadership near-dictatorial powers to carry out their agenda.

The Pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the Pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the Pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon, and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution. If one were to believe in the Book of Revelations, as the Pope fervently does, he can seek solace in scoring a symbolic victory against the Bush administration. Whether Bush represents a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult (as I believe) or he is either the anti-Christ or heralds one, the Pope should know he has fought the good battle and has gained the respect and admiration of many non-Catholics around the world.

-- Wayne Madsen is a Washington-based investigative journalist and former naval officer assigned to the National Security Agency. He testified before Cynthia McKinney's hearing on the genocide in the DRC in May 2001 and has worked with Bob Barr on privacy legislation in the past. He wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. Madsen can be reached at: WMadsen777@aol.com

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:41 PM
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13. Here ya go.
Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:43 PM
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23. Just an academic question: If Bush* were the antichrist, the Pope
would surely know it upon meeting with him, wouldn't you think? I mean, while the Pope is merely a man, he should still be finely intune to the signals of evil and be able to detect the presence? Hasn't he met with Bush* twice now? So, then following on this logic, wouldn't one think the Pope would harnass his own power in ways to oppose Bush*? One immediate example that comes to mind would be reignng in those Bishops that went after Kerry and Democratic voters on the abortion issue..... :shrug:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:30 PM
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4. I don't think so
Wasn't the anti-christ admired and worshipped by everybody?

(*looking around*) Hmmm, It seems not everybody admires *.

* maybe a horrible man, but we also had Hitler, Stalin, Mao and * still doesn't even come close to them, so the world's greatest villain is another thing * will not be remembered for.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:43 PM
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15. Not quite everybody
The truly righteous didn't fall for his shit, and they were spared the tribulations.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:46 PM
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17. Whoooa, so I'm truly righteous
I would never have thought that LMAO and there are so many of us as well :toast:
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:53 PM
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34. The truly righteous,
aka ten-percenters.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:36 PM
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9. No...he's just another dumb fuck
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Trailrider1951 Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:40 PM
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11. Naaaah, he's just too stupid to be the AC
But he may help pave the way for the takeover.
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:41 PM
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12. I don't believe in such nonsense
But I voted yes since it's a major part of his supporters faith - all this hand-wringing over prophecy from the totally psychotic, babbling fool who wrote Revelations.
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beachgrl60 Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:44 PM
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16. Pope never said that!!!
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:18 PM
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37. Yes he did
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:21 AM
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39. Said it or not - it is accurate.
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 06:24 AM by JoFerret
(if you consider the term to be generic for evil.)

Bushie is one of those Nicene Christians who believe in the nativity and the cross and ignore the revolutionary teachings of the adult Jesus. A very dangerous breed.

And Pope baby should know.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:16 PM
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19. No, he's just a raging asshole.
He isn't the "Anti-Christ", there will be no "Anti-Christ". More superstitious nonsense.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:27 PM
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20. Who say's there is such a thing as an "anti-Christ?"
not me.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:45 PM
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24. I'm going to have to check with Pius XIII
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:59 PM
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27. Oh, I get it...
This guy is in with the anti-Vatican II loonies. Probably
still pissed that the Church admitted it wasn't the
Jews who killed Jesus.

Also known as Mel Gibson's pope.

To the actual church, he would be considered an ANTIPOPE.
If they notice him, that is.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:23 AM
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26. Duh.....
Yes....
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:05 PM
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28. Definitely Not!
The anti-christ (if one exists) will be a intelligent person with charisma to betray everyone but the very elite. (according to the Bible). Bush is a puppet who is controlled by the "Powers That Be." We saw evidence of that when he was wired during the presidential debate.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:55 PM
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29. Did the pope say that? If John baby said it, it must be true!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:46 PM
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30. hey...
That's John Paul the Second baby to you.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:33 PM
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31. With all the anti gay marriage and anti abortion bullshit
the Vatican was pushing this year (to Bush's advantage) I sincerely doubt the premise of this poll question.
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:38 PM
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32. Bush is a dangerous man whose rank stupidity is being exploited
by some people who are truly evil. Why does this "anti-Christ" insult have to be used by everyone? Its getting a little worn out.

If the Pope thinks that, then why did so many Catholics vote for Bush regarding the abortion issue? Because they don't listen to the Pope anyway. It doesn't matter what he thinks about *!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:04 PM
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36. OK, in that case...
...and in honor of your avitar, let us call him "the anti-Lincoln"
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Constitution Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:57 PM
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38. The Pope came to Kerry's defense in the last election.
He corrected the lie abou his relationship with the church and discredited those who tried to smear Kerry. He also openly said that it was okay for people to vote for a pro-choice candidat.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:26 AM
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40. The Anti-Christ may be one of the Four Riders of the Apocalypse....
And we all know that Bush is afraid of horses.
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