Defining "fetus" or "humanness" is not the issue IMHO

[juslikagrzly]

1st of all, abortion has ALWAYS occurred and ALWAYS WILL occur. Women may not want to be pregnant for any number of reasons and have, since the dawn of time, taken steps to become "unpregnant". Civilized, evolved societies attempt to ensure the safety of its members. Roe v. Wade makes sure that those who choose to have an abortion have a safe, sterile MEDICAL procedure.

Those who see impregnation outside of some sanctified relationship (pre-marital, extra-marital), or see sex as immoral and procreation as a duty, use abortion as a wedge issue and damn to hell those who choose to have an abortion, ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will.

and finally, STOP USING THE TERM PRO-LIFE. It's demeaning and degrading to those of us who are pro-choice.

Rant over!

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[On the Road]

1. Whether it Happens Anyway is Not the Issue Either

Robbery happens anyway. Doesn't mean it should be legal. By the time it is born, the fetus becomes a baby. Defining when that happens is critical to the pro-abortion argument.

What I don't understand is that the pro-abortion community allows the charge of being baby-killers to sit there unanswered and just change the subject. It's very transparent, and it probably accounts for half the anti-abortion sentiment today.

This despite the fact that there is a perfectly good scientific case that the fetus cannot possibly attain awareness or humanness until near the end of the second trimester, which is where the Supreme Court set the cutoff on other grounds.

[juslikagrzly]

2. The issue is making it safe

and no one I know is PRO abortion. I know of no PRO abortion community or PRO abortion argument. It happens, always has always will, and needs to be safe. It's about women's right to choose what happens to their bodies and discussion of when the fetus is viable only clouds the issue and is one that will never be resolved.

[Moderator]

3. Locking.

Please continue the discussion in the extant thread on this topic. Thank you for understanding.