Rove set up Kerik to get at Guliani

[AmerDem]

This is the story going around as of late and I am confident this is what happened. Knowing Guliani had gained major national attention for his handling of 9/11 Rove had to take him out or run the risk of losing the nomination of his new man (probably Frist) come 2008 ( we will exclude Novembers voting fraud for this stories sake). Many have started to report this such as Randi Rhodes and C-Span on this mornings Washington Journal. Here is a link that further expounds on it but I'm sure many others could be found.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=19142&mode=nested&order=0

[JHB]

1. OR: Is this rumor being circulated BY Rove...

...to make it look like he planned it all along instead of being caught in an act of insider dumbness?

IOW, is he a genius, or just polishing his "Karl Rove, Genius" sign?

[lancdem]

9. That's also a possibility

An article this past Sunday, I think, said Bush bonded with Kerik after 9/11 and that's why he picked him, not as payback to Giuliani.

[KittyWampus]

23. Let's Not Give Rove Too Much Credit... A Bad Habit On DU.

I also thought perhaps this was intended to get rid of Kerik and Guiliani...

But Guiliani got rid of himself just before the election by blaming the troops for not finding the explosive cache that went missing.

Rudy already sank his OWN ship.

No, I think Junior/Rove have pushed through so many corrupt and incompetent cronies they didn't think there'd be a problem with Kerik.

My latest opinion is some 'disgruntled' CIA or FBI guys leaked info on Kerik to the media and it was too much and too juicy to ignore.

[AmerDem]

45. The major media would have found Kerik out

The damage would have been a hell of alot worse had Kerik actually taken the position. To me it seems it was all for effect and no one ever thought he would have made it that far. Every negative part of this story is being pushed on Kerick and Giuliani. Zero attention is being paid to shrub and company, as per the rules.

[Capn Sunshine]

33. Or is it a plan to look like a plan inside an enigma

wrapped in the altar of genius that is the most high evil genius an supreme puppetmaster Karl Rove?

Hey, maybe he's not involved in every single aspect of this squad of fuckup incompetents.

I know this helps everyone believe that our own Party isn't clueless incompetents at the top that could lose an election to such a numbnuts, but seriously , folks, that's what it is.

It's not that Karl Rove is such a genius; it's that our guys are falling down shoes tied together clueless money driven corporate whorebags.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

36. Yep..."Bugging device found in Rove's office, planted by Rove himself"

He's not a genius.

He's a scumbag without scruples.

[Must_B_Free]

48. Actually I don't know that that was proven.

the bug story was supposed to be revealed by the fact that the bug had a battery that only lasted a few hours... All this proves is that the person who planted the bug was stupid, it technically doesn't prove it was Rove.

[Contrary1]

2. I couldn't have said it any better myself...

and I would like to add just one comment. Serve's him right.

"...Guess what, Rudy: You just learned the McCain lesson -- never serve as a useful accomplice to an accomplished user. Because, you see, once they got you to help them lock down those moderate votes, they didn't need you anymore. You went from indispensable to disposable in a New York (or central Ohio, as it were) minute. And so they turned on you faster than you can say nine-one-one. Happy holidays, fellas."

[soleft]

3. I said this last week

[crispini]

4. And this surprises WHO exactly?

Jeez, I said the same thing myself on the DAY that Kerik withdrew his nomination.

:grr: WHY are people CONTINUALLY surprised by the depths that that underhanded sleazeball KKKarl will stoop to? Good gawd, has the entire press core been asleep for the length of his career?

[AmerDem]

6. who said anyone was "surprised"?

If you're irritated at not getting credit take it up with Rhodes , C-Span or smirkingchimp.

[crispini]

16. Bwahahahaha! Yes, I'll write them all right away. :D n/t

[AmerDem]

18. good thing

I was afraid you might shit yourself next.

[Guaranteed]

8. LOL it's not even true.

Come on, folks.

[lancdem]

11. This could be spin to let Bush off the hook

It makes the WH look like they knew what they were doing. Rove is not infallible; I can see the WH being caught off guard by the Kerik fiasco because of their usual hubris.

[AmerDem]

13. either way it implicates shrub

most at this point know Rove and shrub are joined at the hip. Hell, if you don't believe it just look over shrub's winning speech from November.

[Guaranteed]

14. I think it's speculation and over-analysis.

It's...just a cigar. :)

[Mist]

24. Yes, have to keep *'s halo shiny!

And I agree that it probably wasn't Rove-that's giving him too much credit. The "usual hubris" of the WH makes them blind to the obvious flaws in someone like Kerik. Textbook "shamelessness."

[AmerDem]

12. you don't think this was possible

or more flatly true? I have to say after everything I've read on Rove this past year this goes hand in hand with everything this vile piece of shit is capable of doing. If you haven't already I suggest you start boning up on this guys work. He's a pig of the worst kind.

[Guaranteed]

15. Yeah....well he "could have" done a lot of things. nt

[AmerDem]

20. yes, very true

This included!

[crispini]

17. Yep, read "Bush's Brain"

Or rent the documentary. It has the same stench of the rest of his work.

[AmerDem]

21. I have to finally read that book

Thanks for the reminder.

[AP]

5. This is such BS. Another example of how buck never stops with Bush.

[Guaranteed]

7. Oh, come on. nt

[AP]

10. Rove has to say this. Otherwise it looks like Bush was going to hand over

Homeland Security to a corrupt politician who was going to use his position to sell Tasers and enter into construction contracts to make buildings we didn't need with his "friends."

[Guaranteed]

19. Yeah, AND Rove never just fucks up. nt

[Generator]

38. And would anybody care?

I seem to remember something about a certain vice-president doing business with the axis of evil. Oh well, isn't there a dead pregnant woman somewhere?

[hlthe2b]

22. If true,then will we see the results of covert war? (G's "mafia" against

W's?)

[AmerDem]

28. I think you're right

If this does pan out to be true Guiliani wont take it lying down.

[zann725]

25. We keep over-estimating Kkkarl Rove. The more we support these rumors,

the more the myths grow. This is how "Supermen" are created.

Look at him...closely....truly. I'm sorry, I do NOT see what others see.

[zbdent]

26. Isn't there a problem with this logic?

Didn't Rudy appoint Kerik? And wasn't Kerik in long before 9/11/2001?

How then did Rove set up Rudy if Rudy had hit his term limits and couldn't run in 2002?

As I understand it, Rudy's the one who picked Kerik for the NY job, and didn't bother doing a background check on the "unfilled data" . . .

If I'm not correct on this, my apologies . . .

[AmerDem]

27. that's the whole idea

The message being pushed by the corporate media whores is, Rudy hired Kerik minus a background check, Rudy was well aware of Kerik's affairs and it was Rudy who pushed for Kerick to get the Homeland Security position. Now since all of this info came out, all blame is being pushed on Rudy in hopes that down the road this can all be spun out of control come primary election time. Remember the repuke base are "morally upstanding people" (yes, you can laugh your ass off now). How could they vote for a guy who not only had affairs himself but condoned this behavior from one of his closest friends and underlings?

What the corporate whores aren't pushing is why didn't the white house do such a thorough job checking this man out before being nominated to such an important position.

They have to keep on the white house message you know.

[zbdent]

50. I bet that if I applied to work for this misAdministration

they would find my "Letter to the editor" submissions and disqualify me immediately.

Of course, if I was toeing the line on the Repuke stand, then they probably "forget" damn near everything.

[DireStrike]

29. It's all to get Junior off the hook.

The spinning, that is.

I think they(Junior, shadow govt. et al) knew exactly what Kerik was. They didn't expect the media to pick up on it because - hey, the media doesn't pick up on anything!

The spin is damage control.

[AmerDem]

30. if that were the case

They would have been in one hell of a pickle if this guy was actually nominated or if all of this came out during the confirmation proceedings. The way things played out fit right in line with past Rove smears ( take a look at Dan Rather and shrubs National Guard record). This info on Kerick came out almost immediately and from the get go the media focused heavily on Guiliani rather then the white house. To this day they link Guilani to this scandal and make hardly a mention of the white house's lack of investigating. I think this blogger smirkingchimp explains it well.

[Geek_Girl]

31. I think the Main Stream Press was snooping around to close to Kerik

and Guliani and that is why the Bush administration cut him loose. They deeper the press keeps digging on this guy the more crap they'll come up with, I'm sure.

[AmerDem]

32. The media have always treated nominees this way

In the effort of hoping for a scandals story I think it's fair to say that the media have always scrutinized nominees with a fine-tooth comb, which lends more credence to this being set up by Rove.

[noel711]

34. The sad thing is...

IF Rove did set Guiluliani up, he screwed up a sure thing for the Repukes. Rudy has a following; without him, there's no "heir apparent" for the Reds come next election; "Heir apparent" from New YOrk, and all those electoral votes.

[AmerDem]

35. it's all or nothing with these guys

They have zero interest in any repuke showing the slightest hint of moderation, just look at what happened to Arlen Specter during the last primary. These bastards are out for full fascist power, nothing less!

[leesa]

37. Why is Rove not in jail for outing Valerie Plame??

[MisterCompletly]

40. Why don't we compile the incontrovertible evidence here

And then DU a DU slam dunk on his ass and collect the reward?

[AmerDem]

42. That's funny, I'm not aware of any such reward

and I personally don't get the basketball analogy.

There is more interest here at DU in saving our country then any petty ass reward for showing Rove (the pig fucker) for what he is!

[MisterCompletly]

39. Great story plot

Any evidence or singers to back it up?

[AmerDem]

41. for starters

The reported history of Rove. I'll leave it to you to research your own material like most of us have.

[autorank]

43. I hate to admit it: Rove is fucking brilliant. Evil but brilliant!

Until he does time (hahahahahahaha).

[AmerDem]

44. BTW, this first appeared at "gadflyer"

so credit goes to them

http://gadflyer.com/flytrap/index.php?Week=200451#1296

[tsuki]

46. I wondered? I know that the chimp doesn't like to share

the spotlight.

[Must_B_Free]

47. I started this rumour

I think the day of the Kerik debacle.

I floated the questionon DU and I think most people didn't agree.

My mom says that Bush really wanted Kerik.

So in the end it becomes a convenient excuse for a bad choice.

I think blaming Rudy was only a secondary victory.

[NVMojo]

49. why can't a chicken bone or something get lodged in this jerk's

....you catch my drift ....

[ally_sc]

51. makes sense to me...

you know they are thinking ahead however it may come sooner than ya think. if more crap is uncovered about bush's dealings with those soldiers. in other words he is in violation of the geneva convention, unless they are not honoring that any longer.

[0007]

52. It sure looks that way, don't it?

I don't think Bill Frist has a chance in hell of going any where. Asswipe Marc Racicot will be ahead of Frist.

[AmerDem]

53. Frist has been brought up the ranks

of power by shrub and Rove. He has followed their message from the beginning. It doesn't matter if his name doesn't stand out. Without total voting reform the repukes will have a ham sandwich elected. Think about it. They will say that he has %49 to %50 of the vote right from the start (remember the media will say we are a 50/50 nation) He would only need %1 more to win. This just so happens to be the figure Clinton Curtis uses in his testimony on e-voting fraud...%51- %49. As of today Frist is their man.