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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:53 PM
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Name a Democrat who is making life hard for the Bushists.
I'll start: John Conyers.

He's actually the only Democrat I can think of who is making Bushists sweat, struggle, wince, squirm, etc. The only Democrat doing his job, in other words.

Anyone else?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:54 PM
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1. Nadler? Jackson-Lee?
Nope, I really can't think of anyone other than those present on Dec 8.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:54 PM
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2. The DLC.
HAHAHAHAHA!! Just kidding!!!! Made you look!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:55 PM
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4. You did indeed, ya bastid!
;)
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:03 PM
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11. Jesse Jackson, Howard Dean, and Jon Stewart
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:52 PM
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45. LOL
n/t
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:24 AM
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66. Dennis Kucinich, Robert Byrd, Jesse Jackson
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:54 PM
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3. Carl Levin
has been a trooper.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:55 PM
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6. What is he doing to make life hard for the Bushists?
I ask because I don't know.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:59 PM
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10. From his homepage
http://levin.senate.gov/

ISSUES IN FOCUS


A report issued by Senator Levin demonstrates how high-ranking officials in the Department of Defense exaggerated intelligence regarding the alleged link between Iraq and al Qaeda in order to support the Bush Administration's policy goal of removing Saddam Hussein. Administration statements did not accurately reflect assessments by the Intelligence Community. more>


The recent report by the Senate Intelligence Committee paints an alarming picture of the CIA’s failures in producing accurate intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and links to terrorist organizations but does not address the question of whether this intelligence was exaggerated by policymakers.
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Levin isn't from my state and I didn't know much about him until a year or two ago when I had to do some research on a Mental Health bill he is trying to get passed (and is shelved by the like of Frist, etc). When I called his office I was amazed at the responsiveness of his staff and while on hold I started researching him. He is a good man, and when I hear of someone challenging Bush* I am no longer surprised to see Levin's name involved in process.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:21 AM
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65. Back when I used to give the MSM the time of day he was a
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 01:22 AM by proudbluestater
frequent guest on the Sunday Morning Talking Heads Shows. Always a good opponent. He's on the armed services committee, too.

Ok, now we Michiganders have Conyers and Levin. Each blue state is required to put forth two of their own Dems to speak up to the cabal regularly! Too many folks just WON'T speak UP!
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FuckYouBush_com Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:55 PM
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5. Jon Stewart


hey, a note about your signature!... if you google the phrase "worst president ever", look at the first result. tee hee.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:08 PM
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13. has Jon Stewart ever considered running for Pres?
I'd vote for him!
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:38 PM
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38. America Hits Iraq Again
with a full on burst of pure sarcasm, courtesy President Jon Stewart.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:26 PM
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21. I haven't had an opportunity to watch The Daily Show in well
over a month. Has he said anything about vote suppression or manipulation?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:45 PM
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42. He's actually moved away from election issues
Odly enough, he's on with new episodes more times per week than he was before the election. The last reference Jon made to tampered elections was before the election when he talked about the Bush administration's "voter shield" plan and made the joke about computerized voting machines that don't leave a paper trail.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:56 PM
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7. Robert Byrd has not been afraid to criticize them (nt)
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vpigrad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:28 PM
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23. Where has he been lately?
He seems to be in hiding like the rest of our leaders. He used to be a good guy.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:41 PM
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25. I saw Senator Byrd on the floor the other day knocking the shit
our of junior and his Armed Service protection program.

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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:44 PM
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27. More
From 2 weeks ago:

"U.S. Senator Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., delivered the following remarks as the Senate prepared to vote on the conference report on the National Intelligence Reform Act. Byrd criticized the hasty passage of the most significant reform of the nation's intelligence agencies since 1947, with Senators having less than 24 hours to review the final legislation.

Byrd also was critical of many of the provisions within the legislation. For instance, Byrd noted a provision requiring the new National Intelligence Director to submit any testimony before Congress to the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for approval prior to delivery. Byrd is concerned that requiring OMB approval can prevent Congress from receiving non-partisan intelligence analysis.

Overall, the West Virginia lawmaker believes that such substantial legislation deserves a higher standard of consideration in the world's foremost deliberative body."


http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_newsroom/byrd_news_dec/byrd_2004decemberlist/byrd_2004decemberlist_1.html

He hasn't been heard from as much recently, but has been against Bush and friends for a while and is not intimated by them.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:00 PM
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29. Thank you very kindly. It is indeed appreicated!
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:01 AM
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62. Byrd bless his prejudice heart!
The one with the most skeletons(robes) in his closet is the biggest fighter for the little man on the senate floor. Only in America.
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vpigrad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:49 AM
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68. That type of crap doesn't belong here!
Unfounded accusations against a party leader don't belong here. If you feel that way, why are you here?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:04 PM
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83. "Unfounded accusations against a party leader don't belong here"
WOW! We're gonna have to purge most of DU!
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HeilChimp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:09 AM
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74. Senator Byrd LEFT the KKK DECADES ago, get over it...

You sound like a Repug disruptor from FreakRepublic. Senator's Byrd's courageous stance against Chimp's imperialism have long made up for a mistake he made in the 40s. I wish we could have 20 more Senator Byrd's from the south, he is proof you do not have to become Repug-lite to win in dixie states that voted for chimpy. I'd bet the good people of West Virgina (home of Senators Byrd and Rockefeller, and lots of other progressive Democrats holding statewide office) wouldn't have even voted for Chimpy except for massive intimitation and vote fraud.

I hope Senator Byrd runs again in 2006. He is the last of a dying breed of ol' FDR Democrats from the south. A throwback to an era of true leaders.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:56 PM
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8. Mark Pryor
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:57 PM
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9. What has he been doing?
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:04 PM
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12. .
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:13 PM
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16. I don't see anything to suggest he's making life hard for Republicans
In fact he's adopted the language of accommodation and phony bipartisanship, especially around the area of Defense and Homeland Security. Has he made any statements that come down hard on Republicans? What is he doing NOW, to help keep all hell from breaking loose?
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:09 PM
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14. Wes Clark
who gave the Dems some backbone as soon as he entered the '04 campaign. Wes Clark who steadfastly opposed/exposed the Iraq fiasco before, during, and after. Wes Clark the loyal surrogate for Kerry during the campaign. Wes Clark who continues to inspire us as no one since Bobby Kennedy. Wes Clark '08
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shawcomm Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:10 PM
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15. So far in all these posts,
it's a damn shame who's name is conspicuously missing...

Why in the hell did we vote for him anyway?
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marc_the_dem Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:16 PM
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17. because he was better than bush
Kerry has spent the last 11 months shining the light on Bushit... he'll be back in january.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:18 PM
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19. I wish he had been more aggressive
Kerry definitely played too nice, which fit right into the Rove plan to portray him as weak. Bush definitely gave him more than enough ammo to use, and I wish he would have attacked more.
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:28 PM
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22. *Sigh* Yet Another Democrat bashing Democrat
Honestly, why do I need to type in www.freerepublic.com when I can get all my anti-Democratic agitprop right here?

Kerry is acting like a grown up. He is in the midst of an extended campaign to convince some of the 51% of Americans who voted for Bush that they came to the wrong conclusion.

Note that this is hard work. Nobody likes to admit to themselves that they made a mistake. And the last thing we need is to go off on some flamboyant scream-fest - that only gives the GOP yet another excuse for their failures.

The way to truly ruin Bush's day is to get back power in the House and Senate. Kerry is doing that. He's stating gently but firmly that the man is making mistakes, and letting people see for themselves what their decisions have wrought.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community


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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:35 PM
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36. But bashing Dems is what we do best.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:38 PM
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37. Stating Gently And Firmly?
You wrote:

"(Kerry is) stating gently but firmly that the man is making mistakes, and letting people see for themselves what their decisions have wrought."

What makes you think this tactic works? Do you think that people will suddenly say:

"After 4 years of GW Bush making an ass of himself, lying, warmongering and corrupting our Constitution, I was 100% ready to vote for him again, and I did! But now, because John Kerry has stated gently, but firmly, that Bush is making mistakes, I'm ready to impeach the bastard!"


I don' think so...
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:54 PM
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48. I have experience in this field, and you obviously don't...
What makes you think this tactic works? Do you think that people will suddenly say:

"After 4 years of GW Bush making an ass of himself, lying, warmongering and corrupting our Constitution, I was 100% ready to vote for him again, and I did! But now, because John Kerry has stated gently, but firmly, that Bush is making mistakes, I'm ready to impeach the bastard!"
Nobody says "I voted for the guy "making an ass of himself, lying, warmongering, and corrupting our Constitution". If they think that of Bush, they obviously didn't vote for him.

I know. I canvass, phone bank, and table for the Democratic party. And unlike you, I actually convince people.

So what do independent swing voters really say? Things like this:
"I'm worried about the deficit, but I am even more concerned about these Arabs. We really need to show people that you can't attack us without getting hurt, and I think Bush will do that."
Or this:
"I'd be a Democrat, but first I'm a Christian. You guys are for abortion, and I just can't get past that."
Or this:
"I got $300 dollars in a tax cut from Bush. I never got that from Clinton"

When you run into these kinds of opinions, let me tell you, twisting up your face in disgust doesn't help. Screaming "freeper" doesn't help. Insulting them doesn't help. Knowing the facts, pitching them reasonably, and not suggesting absurd ideas (like impeachment) does.

For example, in the above quotes, I'll typically say (in order):
"You can't win against the terrorists without allies, and you can't win a two-front war. Saddam was an evil dictator, but he wasn't responsible for 9/11. We need to get Osama Bin Laden first."
And:
"Are you aware there're been 64 thousand abortions under Bush than Clinton? That's what happens when you policies make teen pregnancies go up, and you leave girls in trouble high and dry."
And:
"That $300 dollars is borrowed from the Debt. Who do you think is going to end up paying for that? You will - plus interest."


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
(who actually builds the Democratic party - as opposed to leaving it)



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Been Fishing Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:22 PM
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59. It ain't often easy...
Sometimes the repub has memorized the Fox News line, and will not listen or hear any argument you present. They sometimes are so stubborn that they remind me of Democrats!

I spent most of yesterday e-mailing my red-state cousin about Bush's war. The only concession I got was when I sent him the list of KIA's from Dec 17th - he agreed it that the loss of life was "regrettable".

Get the facts and know the references when you take on the unlearned. You may need the patience of Job.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:46 AM
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73. Kerry is just about to enter the fray
Check out Will Pitt's website, and you'll learn that the Kerry people are about to enter the Ohio recount fray, only in Federal court, where the Big Boys play.

The election's not over - not by a long shot.

Keep the faith, kids.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:46 PM
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43. It's even more a damned shame that Pelosi and Reid are missing
Kerry's old news, we need to move on.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:00 PM
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30. Nothing is to low for the Repukes.
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marc_the_dem Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:19 PM
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20. Joe Biden
he's running for president.... he'll be a massive pain in the bushie ass... maybe?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:02 PM
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46. FUCK Joe Biden!
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:24 PM
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49. Get thee a clue

Did you even read the item to which you linked in your post?

It's a letter condemning Vladimir Putin's dictatorial tendencies, while expressing solidarity with the Russian people as they face attacks by Chechen terrorists.

The letter was signed by such notorious "neocons" as Madeline Albright and Vaclav Havel.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:46 PM
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58. I don't see Biden's name on any of the other documents
I think they spread this one out for more names, and got them because it was a message that a wider range of people could agree on. Every once in a blue moon, the two sides can agree. The planets must have been aligned just right that day.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:09 AM
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63. You do remember Biden making the case FOR Iraq don't you?
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 12:09 AM by Tinoire
Surely you don't need to see his name on documents before realizing that these agreements have been happening more often that once in a blue moon?

I think that neoCon rag The Weekly Standard summed it up well in one of their editorials:

"Thank goodness there are stalwarts like Senators Joe Biden, Joe Lieberman, and Evan Bayh in the Democratic party who are fighting against that party’s growing clamor for withdrawal".
www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20040511.pdf


A friend of mine put it even better

Moreover, Joe was touting Saddam was a very bad boy. A real mean guy that used (SMILE) (you know the J.B. Smile when it makes no sense. Turns on the girls.) Anyway... Joe went in the Command Center. He say all, Made lots of Public speeches as the Dem Point Man On The Ground, letting Bush know that Joe and Kerry's Vote for Bushwacking Saddam by whatever means necessary was absolutely vital to our security. (As he alluded to Saddam nuking the U.S. too.)

The Biden epitomizes MOST of the Dems and their American followers: Democratize the World. While "Cut and Run" is not a Democratic mnatra. "Making Iraq a Democracy" is very much a Dem mantra. Biden's call for FAR MORE multi-millions than we've spent so far in Iraq to be spent there to Democratize it, and ANY AMOUNT OF TROOPS NEEDED is VERY much the Dem position.


Biden urgh, the man who said that "Bush would have thrown his body in front of the planes" (9-11) Biden made the case for war against Iraq even better than Bush did. Fuck that neo-con.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1332584&mesg_id=1332584&page=


• Thursday, March 20: During mid-afternoon coverage, Jennings conveyed how he was “very struck” by “huge” anti-war ads in newspapers, bemoaning how “history tells you that it’s going to be very difficult for people who are opposed to the war to debate it now that the forces are in combat.” Minutes later, Jennings pleaded with Democratic Senator Joe Biden: “A large number of people in the country are opposed to this...but look to members of the Democratic party, particularly, to be sort of their port in a storm, their place to manifest their dissatisfaction.” Biden retorted that protesters should not look to him to denounce U.S. policy during wartime: “They’ve got the wrong port....The decision’s been made.”

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2003/fax20030324.asp



Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-CT, September 4, 2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

If we wait for the danger to become clear, it could be too late.
Sen. Joseph Biden D-Del., September 4, 2002


Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush September 12, 2002

Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, February 5, 2003

We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd.
Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.
Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit.
Tony Blair 28 April, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George Bush May 3, 2003


For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:03 PM
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82. I also recall...
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 01:03 PM by wyldwolf
...Dennis Kucinich supporting the PNAC inspired Iraq Liberation Act of '98, and supporting the first Gulf War.

So I say let's take every Democratic office holder from the 90s to the present and hold their feet to the fire.

Then, let's play that bizarre Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game with them all. Eventually, all roads lead back to PNAC.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:28 PM
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50. I happen to agree with that link
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6th Borough Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:11 AM
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77. At least on the subject of BBV, Robert Wexler, D-Boca (U.S. House)
I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's filed on the county level (against Palm Beach supervisor of elections Teresa Lapore) as well as against the state (FL).

He's kept his court challenges focused on Florida, as opposed to nationwide, but he has been one of the most active legislators involved in adding accountability to E-voting.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:45 PM
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53. Ditto! NO to ALL PNAC Collaborators! n/t
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:58 PM
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54. Wait a minute

First of all, do we know if the letter was actually written by PNAC, or are they simply reprinting something that they agree with in principle.

Second, I say again, read the damn letter. There is NOTHING in it that is inconsistent with a tough-minded Democratic foreign policy in the FDR/HST/JFK/WJC tradition. Get tough on the bad guys, stand up for human rights.

Third, when did Vaclev Havel become part of the vast neocon conspiracy? Did I miss something?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:29 PM
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60. New Atlantic Initiative (NAI) of the American Entirepirse Institute (AEI)
Yes it is a PNAC letter. Posted on their website as one of their letters. I gave you the link- go check it out. It's a PNAC letter and it's being very much discussed everywhere but America (deja-vu?)

Your moniker suits your points FightingNewDem. I've already been there, done that. Have been warning about PNAC, the AEI and collaborating organizations for years. Warned about the PNAC letters re Iraq and am not revisiting that ground because many people, like you but since disappeared, poo-pooed those letters saying there was nothing inconsistent blah blah blah, standing up for human rights blah blah blah just as Bush is doing in Iraq today. If you're intent is to defend them, there's no point going around in circles because for me PNAC/AEI/NAI is so last year's discussion. If you are not aware of the dangers of PNAC by now, many of us would be sincerely happy to help you catch up. But not spinning my wheels discussing a danger that's already clear and present.

By the way, you do know that PNAC is only a small part of AEI? The occupy only one floor, the 5th I think, of the AEI.

Vaclav Havel has been good buddies with Senator Right-Wing evangelical John Kyl (-R, -neoCon, -PNAC), Kristol, Lieberman and a slew of other PNAC-lovers for decades. My first recollection of him was his participation in the 1997 Senate Briefing the NAI gave which was hosted by JonKyl, Lieberman, Mikulski, and Roth. Neo-Liberals, Neo-Conservatives, same damned thing.

Vaclav sold whatever soul he had to the the devil in exchange for NATO membership (and a few other things). When the devil comes saying to pay up, you pay up. Havel is paying up.

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re NATO

Chronicles of the New American Century, No. 2 | Sidebar
The NATO Expansion Lobby
By Tom Barry | March 19, 2004

Bruce Jackson, of the Project for the New American Century, personifies the new military-industrial complex--“a minister without portfolio” who speaks for the U.S. government, the weapons industry, the Republican Party, and the right's network of foreign policy think tanks.

“Strengthen America, Secure Europe. Defend Values. Expand NATO” was the motto of the U.S. Committee on NATO, the lobbying group established in 1996 by Bruce Jackson to bring the transitional nations of “New Europe” into the NATO fold. The committee's slogan concisely summarizes the main arguments of the NATO expansion lobby in the United States. Although NATO was established in 1949 to contain the purported Soviet threat to Western Europe , the NATO expansion lobby argues not only that NATO has a place in the post-cold war world but that it should be consolidated and expanded as an instrument of U.S. hegemonic power despite the expiration of its founding rationale.

Unlike most right-wing foreign policy experts, Bruce Jackson, the committee's founder and president, is as comfortable with the liberal rhetoric of expansion and enlargement of democracy as he is with the neo-imperial jargon of preemptive defense, U.S. supremacy, and unilateralism. Jackson established the U.S. Committee on NATO at a time when he was finance chairman of Bob Dole's presidential campaign. Among the first board members were such figures as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Peter Rodman, and Stephen Hadley, who later joined the Bush administration. Aside from Jackson, other PNAC officials included on the committee's board of directors were PNAC's executive director Gary Schmitt, PNAC cofounder Robert Kagan, and PNAC board member Randy Scheunemann. Another increasingly prominent neocon on the committee's board was Julie Finley, who, along with Jackson and Scheunemann, was cofounder of both the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq and the Project on Transitional Democracies. Finley is also the treasurer of the National Endowment on Democracy, a quasi-governmental organization founded and led by neoconservatives. The U.S. Committee on NATO was not, however, purely a neocon venture. It reached out to and included Democrats such as Will Marshall, founder and president of the Progressive Policy Institute. Marshall was also a founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, another organization of “New Democrats”.

(snip)

... Another venue, in addition to the U.S. Committee on NATO and the Project on Transitional Nations, for this interface work is the American Enterprise Institute, where Jackson served on the founding advisory board of AEI's New Atlantic Initiative. Funded by the Olin and Bradley foundations, the New Atlantic Initiative goal is “the admission of Europe 's fledgling democracies into institutions of Atlantic defense.” Like the AEI itself, the New Atlantic Initiative is dominated by neocons such as William Kristol, Samuel Huntington, Norman Podhoretz, Joshua Muravchick, Richard Perle, and Daniel Pipes. AEI's New Atlantic Initiative also includes on its advisory board military hard-liners such as Donald Rumsfeld, right-wing political figures like Newt Gingrich, and realpolitikers such as Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, as well a few Democrats such as Thomas Foley--all of whom share the neocon vision of a “New Europe.”

(snip)

“Far from promoting democracy in eastern Europe, Washington is promoting a system of political and military control not unlike that once practiced by the Soviet Union. Unlike that empire, which collapsed because the center was weaker than the periphery, the new NATO is both a mechanism for extracting Danegeld from new member states for the benefit of the U.S. arms industry and an instrument for getting others to protect U.S. interests around the world, including the supply of primary resources such as oil.”

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2004/0403natoexp.php

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re AEI/NAI

((Rupert)) Murdoch is on the Board of Directors and/or advisors of a group of interlocking Washington Conservative Revolution think-tanks, including the Cato Institute, a radical free trade outfit that supports legalization of psychotropic drugs; and the American Enterprise Institute and its spinoff, the New Atlantic Initiative (AEI/NAI). It is at the AEI/NAI venture that Conrad Black and Murdoch are "joined at the hip." In 1996, in order to launch what Black now calls the "American Empire," Black and Murdoch put in the funds to hold a number of international conferences beginning with Prague, 1996, that featured Baroness Margaret Thatcher as the standard bearer. It was at these NAI conferences that the current policy of imperial war, using NATO out-of-area deployments, and using the Iraq war as the model for "pre-emptive war" was first laid out.
http://comiterepubliquecanada.ca/English/Articles/BlackHole.htm

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POLITICS-U.S.:
Sidelined Neo-Cons Stoke Future Fires

Analysis - By Jim Lobe

Sidelined by their failed predictions for Iraq and U.S. President George W Bush's efforts to reassure voters he is not a warmonger, prominent neo-conservatives and their Christian Right allies are nonetheless trying hard to prepare the ground for future U.S. adventures in the Middle East.

WASHINGTON, Oct 7 2004 (IPS) - Echoing increasingly threatening noises from the government of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon about preventing Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, neo-cons are calling for Washington to undertake covert action, at the very least, to oust what some of them call the ''terror masters'' in Tehran as part of a more general ''World War IV'' against alleged Arab and Islamic extremism.

Some neo-cons are even complaining that if Bush had been serious about the ''war on terrorism'', he should have taken on Iran after Afghanistan, rather than Iraq.

''Had we seen the war for what it was, we would not have started with Iraq, but with Iran, the mother of modern Islamic terrorism, the creator of Hezbollah, the ally of al-Qaeda, the sponsor of Zarqawi, the longtime sponsor of Fatah and the backbone of Hamas'', wrote part-time Pentagon consultant Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) this week.

His article also reprised an argument he first made three years ago -- that the Iranian people were already rising up against the mullahs and needed only a little nudge from Washington to succeed.

(snip)

The conference was addressed briefly by telephone by former Secretary of State George Shultz, the group's new co-chair, while Woolsey announced that former Czech Republic President Vaclav Havel and former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar had agreed to head an international chapter.

Keynoters for the symposium, titled ''World War IV: Why We're Fighting, Whom We're Fighting, How We're Fighting'', included Woolsey, who has long spoken of the fight against ''Islamo-fascism'' -- defined as including ''the mullahs of Iran'', the Ba'athist parties of Iraq and Syria, and ''the Wahhabis'', of which the al-Qaeda terrorist group is a part -- as the equivalent of a world war.

On hand was Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, whose participation appeared not only to provide an official sanction of the radical agenda, but also to confirm that the neo-con faction within the Bush administration is alive, kicking and unashamed despite the quagmire in Iraq.

(snip)

http://ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=25771

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What do have Kissinger, Thatcher and Havel have in common?

New Atlantic Initiative (NAI)

Patrons

Vaclav Havel
Margaret Thatcher
Helmut Schmidt
Leszek Balcerowicz
Henry Kissinger
George Schultz

http://www.aei.org/research/nai/about/projectID.11/default.asp

I don't hold in any esteem people are joined with the scum that's destroying this world.
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:36 AM
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72. Mutheragawd, people, get a grip

Now Barbara Mikulski is part of the Vast Neocon Conspiracy?

Let me give you the number of my brother-in-law the psychologist. Maybe he can help you out.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:36 PM
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81. INCLUDING that traitor Dennis Kucinich!
After all, he DID support the PNAC inspired Iraq Liberation Act of 1998...

... if we're going to play guilt by association, let's take it as far as we can.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:47 AM
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78. Biden? The wannabee Pat Sajak?
Show him a camera and his mouth opens to say whatever he thinks will provide him with airtime.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:38 PM
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24. Let's see, can think of quite a few repukes that are, but
Dems, ummmm...how about Graham, Biden, Wes Clark, Sharpton, Conyers, Jesse Jackson, and Kerry did say something the other day, can't recall if it was on Rummy or the torture scandals though. Oh, Bob Kerry, too.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:42 PM
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26. Me.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:55 PM
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28. "Chris" Gregoire
she didn't roll over for their strong arm tactics. although it ain't over. yet.

suck it GOP haters!
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:01 PM
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31. Dick Durbin, Sen. from Illinois
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:42 PM
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41. Tryin his damned hardest that's for sure
Too bad that his superior doesn't have half the balls that he does.
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geekgirl Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:02 PM
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32. Jay Inslee (D) WA
He's on every night putting criticism of the Iraq War into the Congressional Record. He's also holding quarterly meeting to keep the grass roots organized and actually listens to his constituents.

-Geekgirl
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:04 PM
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33. Dennis Kucinich
He always says what few others will say. He has been confronting Bush as usual.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:18 PM
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34. Rep. Henry Waxman...
he's been on Bush's ass since day one and has not let up. He's been responsible for some amazing reports and investigations that have uncovered what the administration has been up to.

He is the man.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:22 PM
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35. You're right about that.
:thumbsup:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:30 PM
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40. made Cheney afraid to read his mail
lots of strong letters from Waxman to Cheney. :-)
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:50 PM
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44. I'll second this one!
Give 'em hell Henry!
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crasmane Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:16 PM
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47. Waxman is the man
for sure, for sure.
I've been reading his open letters and messages for months. He's been consistent and strong in his opposition to the rampant insanity that masquerades as policy.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:52 PM
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39. Henry Waxman
Waxman Takes on Bush White House
February 6, 2002

The San Diego Union~Tribune

By Lionel Deerlin

You wouldn't take Henry Waxman for a mover or shaker. At five and one-half feet and under 150 pounds, he could be a stand-in for Mahatma Gandhi. Spot Waxman in a hotel lobby, and you might expect him to take your drink order.

He's that unimposing. Yet this balding 62-year-old, now serving a 14th elective term from the 29th Congressional District of California, may shortly bring a national administration to heel. Waxman embodies old Aesop's adage (or was it Mark Twain?) that you cannot tell from the looks of a frog how far he can jump. A half-dozen tobacco industry executives had no idea what they were up against in 1994 when Waxman asked them, one after another, if cigarette smoking is addictive. Without hesitation, all answered no.

But (gulp!) these witnesses were under oath. And Waxman, who chaired the House Commerce Subcommittee on Health, knew all had been privy to unpublicized lab work that rated tobacco as addictive as any drug. Their denials added up to perjury.

Only by a sense of duty, he insists, not because he enjoys it, Waxman is making news once more. And being pictured again as the skunk at a garden party.

more at:

http://www.waxman.house.gov/news_files/news_profiles_Bush_white_house_2_6_02.htm


Cher

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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:37 PM
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51. It Seems Like the Democrats are Laying low these days
Or just not getting alot of press. But some of the republicans seem to be causing some stink with Rumsfeld.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:40 PM
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52. Waxman and Feingold too
:hi:
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:13 PM
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55. Howard Dean and he'd make it harder for them if he was DNC Chair
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Miami Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:52 AM
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76. Amen
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:24 PM
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56. Dean has been doing it since 2002 at least
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:27 PM
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57. He got his feet wet battling the Reichwing during his 2000 re-election
campaign when the Repukes sent his Repuke opponent lots of money to oppose him. It was during that election when he found out that when you fight back the Repukes make mistakes and when you couple that fighting spirit with a very good record as governor, the People will vote you back into office.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:52 AM
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71. Howard Dean is a threat to the establishment on both sides of the aisle.
I wish the Dems would show some guts, put him in charge and watch what happens.
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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:50 PM
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61. Dick Durbin
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 12:08 AM by Obviousman
Has been after the Republicans for four years now, and he's not letting up.
William Donohue
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:14 AM
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64. Ronnie Earle and Elliot Spitzer
Any Democrat who sends Republican jackals to prison should get a fucking medal.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:26 PM
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80. but ... but ... but Spitzer is DLC!
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 12:30 PM by Pepperbelly
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:30 AM
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67. Al Sharpton is never afraid to take them on!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:55 AM
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69. Mum on election fraud....
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:00 AM
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70. Robert Byrd...
that old man can't stand Bush. Everytime I watch his speeches, I get the sense that he just wants to beat the crap out Bush...which puts a smile on my face.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:29 AM
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75. Randi Rhodes
:D
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:24 PM
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79. Clark - with quote

BLITZER: Do you want Donald Rumsfeld to resign as secretary of defense?
CLARK: Well, I've never called on that. You know, he's -- Secretary Rumsfeld's made some serious misjudgments. I think he's been disrespectful of the troops and frankly, I was shocked by what he said to the soldiers questioning about the lack of armor. I mean, that should have all been nailed down, it should have been corrected months and months and months ago. But ultimately, this is President Bush's policy. And Donald Rumsfeld is executing it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/22/nfcnn.01.html
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:44 PM
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84. Brilliant thread! We should recognize those standing up for our rights.
NT!

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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:51 PM
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85. None. What is going on? :/
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 06:15 AM
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86. Skinner, EarlG and Elad.
And I love them for it. And ALL DU'ers. :)
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:40 PM
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87. None.
Conyers can't do anything by himself. He needs judges or the FBI. They won't help.

Isolated congressmen (my favorite: Byrd) who are critical of the administration have no teeth. They don't worry the WH. They are playing a bit role now.

That our congressmen in Washington were passive BEFORE THE ELECTION was telling. Very few were standing up to the lies, distortion, secrecy, power grabbing, and incompetence. That's when their voices should have been heard and publicized. That's when they could have made a difference. They chose not to.

They were silent. They are silent. They are one the same side as the administration: for corporatism, concentration of wealth at the top, and global domination.

The only ones now who can make life hard for the administration are serious, ungaggable, credible election whistleblowers.

I've been reading Eloriels background info on US history and fascism. I am not in a good mood today.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:34 PM
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88. Waxman, Henry.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 05:18 PM
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89. Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, and the whole gang at AAR.
Air America rules!!! :bounce:
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:51 AM
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90. Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney,
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