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Constitution Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:06 PM
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If Pelosi is backing anti-choice Roemer for DNC, how is she pro-choice?
The chairman has a lot of clout. If Roemer is heading the DNC, the Senate will not likely filibuster anti-choice nominees for the high court. Bye, Bye, Roe v. Wade. But we can't put it all on Roemer. He's being honest about where he stands. Those backing him are showing their own commitment, or lack thereof, to the choice issue. I belive it would be more honest for one to express their own reservations about choice than to pretend to be pro-choice and then put a person in power who will do it for them.

Reid has backed anti-choice court nominees before.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:10 PM
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1. Fuck Pelosi
She's as useless as Daschle and Reid.

There's not an ouce of fight in any of them. Does anyone really wonder why we lose elections?
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:49 PM
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2. Yay! Single issue dittoheads! nt
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 05:53 PM by rabid_nerd
The problem is more about status quo. Roemer will keep it and THAT sucks.

Go ahead, keep wailing about Roemer being anti-abortion.

Yeah, that will stop him from getting Chair.

Never mind he's not in touch with people outside the beltway or handpicked by people too close to the game.

Nah, let's define it on this.
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Orlandodem Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:11 PM
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3. Thomas Frank would be proud of her.
We can be staunchly pro-choice but have people like Roemer in our party. Just the way the repugs have made Ahnold the face of the national repug party but is pro-choice.

Read Thomas Frank's book, "What's the Matter with Kansas". It'll explain how a state that ought to be blue is red simply because people vote identity politics rather than for self-interest. KA ought to be a solid blue state. It ought to be a dark navy blue instead of bright red.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:16 PM
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4. Maybe when Roe-v-Wade is overturned, people will wake up
to the total bullshit that this administration represents. Nothing else seems to work.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:37 AM
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15. Don't count on it. If an illegal war didn't wake us up, nothing will
Bush didn't get his "mandate" on November 2. He got it the day our tanks rolled across the Iraqi border.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:41 AM
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16. Good point....
But you must keep some kind of hope alive....The alternative is despair.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:17 PM
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5. look at her voting record
the DNC chair does not set policy.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:12 AM
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11. It's pretty bad. Homeland Security Act, Patriot II (Intell Ref Act), 757
She voted that Iraq was involved in 9/11 in Res 757. She voted for National ID cards, making mere membership in an organization (Democratic Party?) the AG later puts on the watch list a CRIME, Pres being allowed to dictate what the Intelligence Community tells Congress (in other words, Congress is no longer entitled to information) and the other horrors of the Intell Ref Act. She also voted to exempt drug companies from liability for poisoning children. Wonder if she got a kickback for that one. She also made it clear (via a reprimand) that no one in Congress would again be allowed to omit the words "under God" from the Pledge.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:38 PM
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21. this thread was about her record on choice
If you want to tell she doesn't have a great record on civil liberties, that is another question
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:25 PM
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6. It's called playing a game-getting credit with fundies but then doing noth
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 06:26 PM by NormaR
* uses this little trick all the time.

Publicly announces giving illegal aliens resident status - KNOWING there is no way in hell it will ever really happen. It's win-win - pander to a voting bloc and then give them squat.
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andyadkins Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:42 PM
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7. Support former governor Jim Blanchard
Obviously current office holders will consider their own ambitions before the Democratic partys'. Howard Dean, of course, wants to be president and is trying to stack the deck in his favor not the party's. The savvy Harold Ickes keeps yesterday's news on the stage; no good for reevaluating party tenets. Of the remaining names, the former Michigan governor is most likely to promote a remolding of party values without sacrificing the interests particular groups for the benefit of himself or friends, because he would make more friends with a growing and vitally strong party; He cannot ever consider seeking a greater office except what is awarded for successful work (think John Kerry's presidency '09)
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:46 PM
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8. I remember when Pelosi was chosen
I was excited. It was somehow a sign of things moving in a good direction with the Dems. I mean Gephardt was out and a member of the Progressive Caucus was in!

Ah, but she changed her stripes. She is a total opportunist. And the Progressive Caucus is a joke.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:14 AM
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12. Good observation. That was when she changed from progressive
to regressive.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:02 PM
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9. Frankly, I doubt abortion is the issue here. The usual power games
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:44 AM
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10. Huh.
Is it not possible that she's backing him for reasons other than his stance on abortion?

Jesus Christ, the world doesn't revolve around abortion. If we start tossing out anti-abortion people--draw a line in the sand--then we're creating a lot of moderate republicans.
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:48 AM
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18. Lots of moderate Republicans ARE pro-choice.
Even more reason for me to say, "If a Democrat can't get that issue right,..." and link to their denigrators.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:22 AM
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13. More likely it is his strong militaristic views, national security.
He is president of the CNP, can't think of the exact words tonight...too late.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:33 AM
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14. Oh, I don't know....
....perhaps she wants Democrats to win? :shrug:

BTW: Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere. It's established, settled, law, and the majority of the country is pro-choice.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:38 AM
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17. She's not a "one issue" person
people like that on the left would annoy me just as much as one issue people on the right do.

Perhaps, he represents other issues that she considers more of a priority right now.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:26 AM
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19. because he's a democrat and she obviously trusts his judgment.
I dont see how this effects her personal political status as 'pro choice' though. It's all there in a political science book.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:40 AM
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20. Bullshit ...
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 08:40 AM by Pepperbelly
Neither Roemer nor Pelosi have a damned bit of influenece on what the Democratic Senators will do on that issue.

I think they are solid and will force the gop into the "nuclear option" or they will fillibuster Bush's more egregious nominees.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:45 PM
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22. I hope you're right ... hope springs eternal ...
because if you're wrong, there will be hell to pay.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:50 PM
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23. The Beltway Democrats are turning pro-life on us
they want to win more than they want to be right. What's next for them? Prayer in the schools?

Face it boys and girls, you are witnessing the great sellout of the once great Democratic Party.
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