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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 08:56 PM Original message |
There IS a social Security Crisis! |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. prove it |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Our debt is proof. |
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wadestock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
107. 1/2 to social security? |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. I suggest you read Paul Krugman's Op_Ed in the NYT last Friday |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Do you have a link for this article? |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. You make the assertion. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oh yes, there IS a crisis |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
65. A "crisis" is immediate. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Please read my post again slowly |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I apologize...I posted under wrong post.. :-( |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. No problem! |
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rog (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Let's start here. |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 04:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Social Security "bankruptcy" is true or false, depending on definition |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Social Security will be BANKRUPT by 1988! |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Just because George is a freaking idiot |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. the GOP has been saying this since the 1940s |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. No dear, that also was the stand of W oponent, raygun ald all the borrow |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Now that's the kind of discussion |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. it`s not broke for another 35-40 years. |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 03:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. I have paid |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. problem not crisis |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. Basic Math |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. We've heard all of this before and ... |
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rog (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Not only that ... |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. A ratio at which the system becomes insolvent |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Look ... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. a retirement program that is sound for about 45 years is NOT in crisis |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. LOL! Classic! |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. On a previous thread, it was stated that Medicare will be dead |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. IT IS! |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
97. The reason that Bush's plan will not work is the same reason |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. it'll be in crisis after Bush and the Republicans are done with it. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. nonsense. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. My point IS the validity of Bush's plan. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. remove the ceiling. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Give me some more details to work with here... |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Then do your homework. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. Amen |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Thanks |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. bullcrap |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. To quote many a previous message |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. they are based |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Specifically, you're talking about the "Trustee's" projections... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. exactly |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Links please. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. conservative estimates |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Do you think we should use optomistic estimates |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I think we should use |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. And who do you believe should be the judge of |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. how about |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. That doesn't answer the question. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. there is a great deal of pressure |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So CBO SSA, Brookings Institute |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. The Clinton way |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Status quo? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. the only change |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Respectfully,that is incorrect. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. maybe I was thinking |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. Not a troll. Just ignorant. GOP talking point since forever. W predicted |
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kamqute (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thank You! |
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proudbluestater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. It is solvent for the next 42 years. Next debate? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
30. Odd Irony - Kerry was all over this issue... |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. again, people are not saying it's not a problem... |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. yep |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
56. Barak Obama was a perfect example of keeping your cool |
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priapis (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
36. Theres A Difference Between A Longterm Problem And A CRISIS |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
37. you talk about how silly we are and about how truthful you are |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 06:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The numbers and estimates vary |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. if by "nearly everyone" you mean the mass media.... |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. no, you are simply wrong |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
38. Let's redirect to my point again shall we |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. So, you've contradicted yourself. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I do happen to find it a crisis! |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I agree there is a problem. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
83. That's all I'm really saying |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. The problem is you and I are |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. I agree there is no crisis. I doubt there will be "meaningful replies" |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
99. I was a bit surprised by the rancor... |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. no, it is not predicted that it will fail at the far end of the ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I think the predictions are if we do nothing. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. raise the ceiling ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. That IS doing something. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. you have to crawl before you walk ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. At least we agree that we are crawling and that there is hope to walk. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. no ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I agree that shrub is wrong. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. no! if you grant him even the slimmest predicate ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. OK lets just leave it at that. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. here's my SS motto: don't change engines when you need to clean sparkplugs |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Keep on driving that model T |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Absolutely agree. BFEE vacuum cleaner on our treasury, and we |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
41. You are wrong, DistressedAmerican. 50 years does not make a "crisis". (nt) |
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femme.democratique (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
46. All depends on what your definition of "crisis" is, I suppose.... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
51. 'any educated American'......this educated American ain't buyin' it. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
54. I agree there is a problem... I probably wouldn't use the term crisis. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
63. Kerry thought there was a problem. |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Ummm ... |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. There is a problem. |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
104. Kerry is a politician, and a bad one at that |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
66. Question: |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
68. I agree that there is a crisis... |
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seekinguniqueness (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
86. YOU ARE RIGHT...!!! |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Welcome to DU |
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Justin54B20L (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
95. I think you all are assuming one critical thing. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. SSA and CBO take census projections |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
96. I get so f*ing tired of defending my grandparents rights! Abortion, |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Its the BuchCo. Wayback Machine! |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. You are puking rw talking points |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Why are you so linear as to think that |
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