"Typical liberal is way off base"

[StephanieMarie]

From a letter to my newspaper. I'm always trying to figure out where they're coming from. What madness:

"We haven't had another attack on this country because those who would attack us are busy dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, because our military is fighting for us. How many billions it's taking is irrelevant. You can't put a price on freedom. The National Guard has been used in the past and will be used again, and there will be no draft as long as President Bush is in office. I'm sick of the tired, whining liberal line about being isolated from our traditional allies. Who do they want? The oil-for-food-bribed French, or the Germans we fought two world wars against? Our deficits are at record levels because of the war on terrorism and the need to jump-start a recession-stricken economy. Unemployment is dropping, and the liberal's scare card, 'outsourcing,' has been blown far out of proportion to any damage it has done. Social Security needs fixing, and privatization is a good beginning, but liberals don't like it because it gives people more control over their lives. No one in this country is denied health care regardless of the status of their health insurance. Finally, the one candidate who lied in the presidential election is the one who lost."

Augusta, Georgia

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Google "Rockridge Institute"

Read, then respond to him if you must. You will be well armed for the fray.

[dave123williams]

2. Delusion is like a nice, warm blanket.

The scary thing is how easy it is for these folks to blame others for their own inarguable failures.

[okieinpain]

17. I like the " no price for freedom" line. so you go bankrupt fighting

the enemy who wants to destroy you. but isn't going bankrupt to the point where you're destroyed the same thing as the enemy destroying you.

[leesa]

20. But Iraq didn't threaten us. They had no weapons.

[iconoclastic cat]

3. This person obviously memorized/copied the talking points

without comprehending a damn thing.

[bunkerbuster1]

4. Sounds like 90% of the LTtEs in my hillbilly daily rag

I'm not sure if it's a concerted effort by the Freepers in charge of the rag's editorial page to eliminate all but a handful of progressive letter-writers, or (more likely) that progressives just can't be bothered trying to set these dumbasses straight.

perhaps a combo of both.

[moggie12]

45. What is a Freeper?

I am a "newbie" and can't figure out some of the stuff you're all saying. What is a "freeper"?

[SemperEadem]

46. a freeper

is a member of a political board called www. freerepublic.com---they are the polar opposite of DU... I've never gone there... the cacaphony of bs there doesn't make for stimulating, reasoned discussion... they're just a bunch of 'clutter-noise'makers.

[fnottr]

53. More generally

We use it to describe any person who would fit in with the denizens of freerepublic.com, whether they actually post there or not.

[Raiden]

57. Welcome to DU moggie12!

:toast: :)

[BlueEyedSon]

5. LMFAO.nm

[DrCorday]

6. I'm surprised...

At least it didn't go as far as the whole "It's Clinton's fault!" thing. I notice they like to do that a lot too.

[ET Awful]

7. So . . . what were all those nasty terrorist doing from 1993 to 2001?

There weren't any attacks on US soil then either. . . I wonder why that was?

Well there was that one attack, but he was a white right-wing whacko, so he doesn't count right?

[kcwayne]

13. The World Trade Center Was bombed in that period

by Radical Islamists.

[ET Awful]

14. the WTC was bombed in 1993, thus my statement of between 1993

and 2001.

Thanks for playing, please try again.

[kcwayne]

21. You said FROM 1993 not between

at any rate your disclaimer is splitting hairs.


Your credibility is damaged when trying to make a sweeping point if you are fancy footing with facts. And being a smartass doesn't make your point any better.

[GiovanniC]

23. I Guess We Can't Say 2001 Either, Because WTC Was Hit That Year Too

[ET Awful]

24. LOL, no your ridiculous attack is splitting hairs, had I said "inclusive"

you might have a point, since I didn't, and since you are the only person out of thousands that saw the post that decided to make a foolish reply, your point doesn't exist.

Would you rather I list the exact minute, hour, day of the week, date and planetary alignment?

Why are you the only one that couldn't quite comprehend what I said?

[kcwayne]

36. I comprehend what you said, you simply don't understand the larger point

You said, and I quote "What were all those nasty terrorists doing from 1993 to 2001. There weren't any attacks on US soil then either. . . "

There was an attack on US soil, the WTC bombing in 1993 by nasty terrorists. Your dancing around whether 1993 really means 1994, and whether you had said or implied inclusive is just jerking off.

If I were a right wing numbnut like the subject matter of the original post, I discount what you are saying and consider you to be stupid or dishonest because you don't acknowledge a clearly obvious attack on US soil.

The larger point you are missing is not about the factual inaccuracy or imprecise use of language. The whack job about which this thread is about is on the "terrorists are going to get us all camp", and you are lampooning it by suggesting that terrorists, other than right wing white guys, are not doing anything here. That is factually wrong.

Ignoring the WTC bombing to spin your argument is disingenuous. Terrorists have been operating in the US, as evidenced by the 2 attacks on the WTC, the millenium plot which was stopped, and a couple other incidents where attacks were thwarted by the Clinton administration. Pretending like those things didn't or don't happen is absurd. We need to deal with it. That does not mean we need to embrace the ignorant paranoia of the right wing, but we need to acknowledge that it does exist, and we need to search for means to combat it.

[Name removed]

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[karlrschneider]

48. Jeezus. "FROM 1993" means AFTER 1993. What is with you?

:eyes:

[depakid]

8. Augusta, Georgia

What more needs to be said?

[Dr Fate]

18. Kerry won Augusta, GA. 56%- 42%

http://www.augustaga.gov/voter/electab04ge/totals.asp?RaceID=5

[depakid]

26. I stand partially corrected.

There are parts of Georgia that aren't totally whack- maybe that's one of them. haven't been there in a while. My relatives live in Savannah, which seems like an island of relative sanity compared with most of the surrounding countryside.

[Dr Fate]

30. Oh- its still basically a shit-hole.

Dont get me wrong- but at least the DEMS have it half-way sort-of together there. :)

[QC]

58. Yeah, but when did mere facts ever interfere with a good hate-on? n/t

[GiovanniC]

9. A Large Angry Man Beat the Shit Out of Me This Morning Around 7:00 AM

It is now almost 2:30, and I have gone an incredible eight and a half hours without anyone beating the shit out of me. I am pretty sure that's because shortly after the large angry man beat the shit out of me, I saw a little eleven-year-old girl and she called me a name, so I beat the shit out of her.

THAT will teach that large angry man not to beat the shit out of me, and it put everyone else on notice! Do not mess with me, because although I won't do anything to you, I might beat the shit out of another eleven-year-old girl.

Some people I know say that beating the shit out of an eleven-year-old girl might make more large men angry with me and want to beat the shit out of me, but they are just typical off-base liberals who don't know anything.

I call that "leadership."

[MemphisTiger]

10. I love how all these right wingers are always sick and tired

Hey, if you're all sick and tired go and take a nap, we'll take care of things.

[StephanieMarie]

11. It's convenient when they don't understand math.

The deficits are at record levels because of the tax cut to the rich which did the other 98% of Americans no good at all, because of the huge growth in federal bureaucracy, and because we all love our big corporations so much. Did you know that 85 of the nations largest corporations paid ZERO federal tax in 2002? Now that's a tax cut!!!

[tandot]

12. The never-ending ignorance of Bush supporters

Like their leader, they lack understanding of complex issues.

Social Security is only in trouble because politicians take money out of it to fund their pet projects. Privatizing part of it does NOT give people more power...it gives stock brokers and corporations more power over our lives and our money.

And where does the fool think the money comes from when uninsured go to the hospital to seek medical treatment??? We all pay for those hospital visits because hospitals will increase what they charge to our health insurance and our premiums increase. So, we pay for it either way. And people who do not have health insurance are just less likely to seek treatment, even for serious illnesses...until it is too late.

And France and Germany completely supported the US war on Afghanistan. They still have troops there:

http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm

They just know when to draw a line between an just and an unjust war.

Must be nice to live in a simple world. Maybe we liberals should just stop thinking for ourselves and just march to the drums of the Bush Gestapo. If ignorance is bliss, Bush and his supporters are one happy family.

[rkc3]

15. Ignorance is bliss - this idiot must be smiling all the time.

[tandot]

19. It is the reason that Bush smirks all the time, even when talking about

the tsunami and its tens of thousands of victims. He can't help himself...he is just one happy fellow

[Zhade]

54. Let's not forget the "oil-for-food scandal" was concocted by Chalabi.

You know, the passed-info-about-secret-codes-to-Iran Chalabi, who conveniently holds the ONLY papers that "prove" the "bribery" even happened.

Pfft. Rightwingers.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. It would help if they could/would think for themselves,

even if it's just once in a great while. Oh and maybe question what they hear, read, see? Perhaps then they wouldn't be so ignorant of the lies perpetuated upon them by their supposedly caring Leaders.

[Dr Fate]

16. My home town. Dont worry about it. Kerry won there.

Despite the efforts of the Augusta Chronicle, (More "Liberal Media, eh?)Kerry still won the city.

Typical Rush Limbaugh/cable news talking points in that letter.

None of these idiots will discuss the bottom line and tell us where the money & manpower for these continuing wars is going to come from.

We need to expose the media- I wish more top Democrats had the honesty & guts to help us do that.

You could always write a letter of your own...

[unpossibles]

22. It's good to see the RWers talk about the election fraud

Unless I misunderstood when he said "the one candidate who lied in the presidential election is the one who lost." He means Bullsh, right?

[Vektor]

25. May I? Thanks!

The ignorance astounds me. My friend and I (ya know, misguided typical liberals) were just discussing last night how AB-FUCKING-SURD the "we haven't been attacked since 9/11" theory is. We had NEVER been attacked like THAT EVER before, either, so it's hardly Bush's great leadership that has prevented another 9/11 style attack.

(There are so many fallacies in this moron's letter, that this may take a while.)

Granted, there have been other less grand scale attacks on American soil, prior, but the worst one, Oklahoma City, was perpetuated by right wing, white, American, militia-compound fundamentalists. Good ol' boys. Terrorist attacks take, oh, just a bit of time to plan and are rather pricey. They only occur sporadically, with large gaps of time in between. Bush hasn't prevented shit. Except prosperity, peace, and faith in one's leaders.


This makes me laugh: "those who would attack us are busy dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, because our military is fighting for us."

HAHAHAHA.

No.

Actually, OSAMA EFFIN BIN LADEN attacked us, and he is FREE as a bird. Making video tapes, plumping up, and looking healthier than ever. He had a real nice new robe, and apparently a little television studio in his last tape. Yeah he's really suffering. What's happening, is those who would PROTECT OUR SHORES are dying in the Middle East. Our military is all overseas and we are left totally vulnerable. Most of the people dying in this war are actually Iraqi civilians.

"You can't put a price on freedom."

May I put a price on the food, shelter, clothing and health care that AMERICANS are not receiving, then? How about 200 billion?

"Social Security needs fixing, and privatization is a good beginning, but liberals don't like it because it gives people more control over their lives."

No, asshat, it does not. It gives the big government yet another way to stiff the hard working people out of their retirement benefits, and line their own greedy pockets. Working your fingers to the bone until the age of 65 only to find you don't have a pot to piss in at the end because Bushco. and his like-minded cronies wanted to save a buck is not "having control of your life." It is relinquishing control of your well-being to a corporate entity.

"The oil-for-food-bribed French, or the Germans we fought two world wars against? "

Prejudiced much? This French/German American says KISS MY LIBERAL ELITE ASS, you fundie redneck. :-) (Oohhh...that felt tres bon!)

"Our deficits are at record levels because of the war on terrorism and the need to jump-start a recession-stricken economy."

I would think the war on terrorism would include the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. You know? The terrorist... who...attacked us...?

Never mind.

"Unemployment is dropping, and the Liberal's scare card, 'outsourcing,' has been blown far out of proportion to any damage it has done."

Really? Try telling that to the 1.6 million hardworking people who now cannot feed their children because of BUSH. They might tell you the damage has been rather grave.

"No one in this country is denied health care regardless of the status of their health insurance."

There, there, you little fundie fool...of course they're not! They receive perfectly shoddy over-priced E.R. care in a for-profit hospital, then receive an outrageous bill which they cannot pay, ultimately they end up in collections, and maybe even bankrupt, with very little chance of financial recovery. They should do what our great Chimp in Chief suggests...NOT GET SICK.

"Finally, the one candidate who lied in the presidential election is the one who lost."

Heh heh..awwwww yeah! Too easy!

"Yes he did! And we are doing our best to find ample evidence to oust his greedy, worthless ass, and put the real President, John Kerry, in office."

NEXT?

Does your newspaper have an online link? I'd LOOOVE to share ideas with this oh-so-enlightened reader. Maybe submit a little LTE of my own. :-)

[Mist]

27. Deficits at record levels will jump start our economy?

If only.

[LittleClarkie]

28. Yep, Bush lost alright.

How 1984 of him. Swallowed the line whole, didn't he.

[48pan]

29. Typical Drooling Conservative Nutcase n/t

[BarbinMD]

31. Funny (not) that...

...wingnuts never mention that (according to the State Department and CIA) terrorism is at record level worldwide and that there are now thousands of more jihadists than there were since we invaded Iraq.

And the price on freedom? Well, around the time of "Mission Accomplished", we were assured that our troops levels in Iraq would be down to 30,000 by July, 2003...by none other than Rummy and Wolfowitz. Oh, and that Shrubya himself said that the reconstruction of Iraq would be paid for by Iraqi oil revenues. The National Guard has never been used in this fashion in our history.

Oil-for-food? I notice they never mention that several US corporations have been implicated in that...well, implicated may be too strong a word because after all, the allegations are all from Chalabi...do they remember him? Our main source of information for WMD's.

Our deficits were obviously increased by events following 9/11...but they seem to ignore that, besides the first ever tax cuts during a war in history (of the world, not just the US), discretionary spending under Shrub (that's excluding the war's and Homeland Security) increased more than under any president in over 50 years.

Unemployment is NOT dropping and the jobs created pay considerably less than those lost.

Privatization? I wish one of these "morans" could explain where the $2 TRILLION to do it will come from.

And yes, they're right about healthcare. We can all go to the ER and not be turned away. But wouldn't preventative medicine be nice? Both in a human sense and in a cost-effective way?

Idiots. They don't bother with facts because they only show how wrong they are on every count.

[BarbinMD]

32. Oops!

Forgot the lies...where should I begin on that? How about this? I'll start and anyone can add to the list. ;)

Bush said that he never said he "wasn't really concerned" about bin Laden. Next!

[Aristus]

33. Yep, there's one thing this liberal hates, and it's the fact that

people have control over their own lives. :eyes:

[BarbinMD]

35. No doubt!

Damn liberals! Why can't we be like the freedom lovin' Rethugs? You know, worrying about what other people are doing in their bedrooms or what reproductive decisions they're making.

;)

[quaker bill]

34. What I am concerned about is when

the "terrorists" who are fighting and dying in Afghanistan and Iraq decide that the best or only way to win their war is to attack us here. When this day arrives, duck.

[genieroze]

37. Oh Puleeze.eom

[Liberal In Texas]

38. You can see these letters in almost any newspaper

It's like they plug in talking points #1, #4, #8, #458 etc.
Throw in the word "whine" and dash it off to the local rag.

I think I would like to see us start to copy some of these considered responses posted here and send them off to our local papers. It might have a bigger impact than us always preaching here to the choir.

Just an idea.

[bushclipper]

40. I've never met a typical liberal

[Nestor-Machno]

41. words with no meaning

What is a liberal, or a conservative, or a democrat, or a republican, or a communist, or a nazi. They are all simply different brands of the same cancer causing product, the ruleing class. Fuck the aristocracy, no matter what form it takes, they are the leaches of society, the structure through which those few with power and money keep control over the oppressed masses. Dont feed the machine, democrat or republican, its all wrong. I know my words are hard for many to swallow, and may seem a bit extreme, but the truth is rarely easy to face. Remember that it is your duty as American citizens, according to the declaration of independence, to rise up and overthrow your government should it become corrupt and/or tyrranical. The system is not useless, but it has run its course and has become weak and riddled with infection. Sometimes revolution of the state is necessary in order to save the nation, we must bring freedom back to America. The people may not be ready yet, but whether in 10 years or 100, things must change. Let us hope they can be changed peacfully.

[Arkana]

42. Ah, it must be nice to have your brain washed and waxed.

This guy must have a tingly feeling all the time.

[dbeach]

43. Typical Liberal

this story has been in other ed pages this yr....saw almost same back in april..blame game by repukians as bushfraud continues his phony war on terrists while waging real war on social safety net..
King George Bush the second{KGB II]robbing the working class to feed the rich "my kinda crowd"

[Raster]

44. "...some call you the haves and the have mores...I call you my base."

-Gee-dubya bushwacker

[purduejake]

47. Wait... liberals are the ones who want to control people?

These people are insane

[pdxmom]

49. How can someone be so wrong in such a short paragraph?

It's that first sentence that chaps my butt the worst. I believe it's the one the majority of the people fell for, and IMO, it's the one that is the most lacking in any in-depth thinking. If they think that not being attacked in the past 3 years means he's doing a good job, then they must have LOVED the job Clinton did to keep us safe.

[Contrary1]

50. They won the election...

and yet they are still carping about Democrats, Liberals,
Kerry, Clinton, etc...

Anything to deflect from the fact that can't name one
positive thing that Dubya has done. Oh yeah, the tax
thing...right. But that only works for those who don't
find it necessary or are unable to think for themselves.

You would think that they would be spending their time
celebrating that he has 4 more years to guide us through
his conversations with God. But go to any Repub run
newspaper or online forum. All they can do is revel in
their hate for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

What a bunch of losers.

And just so you trolling Freepers
can keep up, that word again is "loosers".

[More Than A Feeling]

51. I haven't been mugged while wearing this shirt

Clearly, wearing this shirt prevents muggings! Likewise, we haven't had another attack because G. Dubs is president. Ain't life grand? /sarcasm off

[Debs]

52. I think

This guys capacity for self delusion is truly astonishing

[despairing optimist]

55. Dear letter writer,

Until I read your rant, I had a few hairs left on top of my head. Thank you for helping make me completely bald.