Now, let me see... Dean hates Republicans

[DancingBear]

but that's bad.

Lieberman loves Condi, but that's bad, too.

Quoting Firesign Theatre - "who am us, anyway?"

I am shocked - shocked, I tell ya - that Dean actually has dislike for those who, if given the opportunity, would wipe us off the face of this earth.

Geez, what was he thinking??? He was (gulp) blunt and to the point. Can't have that in today's Democratic Party. No sir. Stuff like that never works ("bring 'em on", "go fuck yourself", etc.).

Paging another Dem to make nice-nice to George, please.

I think my head is exploding......

(sarcasm off)

[NYCGirl]

1. LOL!

I'm sure one of the pink tutu crowd will answer your page to make George and Karl feel better.
:evilgrin:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I'll Answer It...

Ever see the movie "Man On Fire" where Denzel Washington's character sticks a fuse up some guy's ass and tells him the bomb will go if he doesn't talk....


If someone stuck a fuse up my ass and told me a bomb would go off if I didn't vote Republican I still wouldn't vote Republican...



That being said I don't question the passion of Dr. Dean just his wisdom....

[ClassWarrior]

5. I question Bush**, Cheney**, and the Radical RW's wisdom all the time...

...but they keep winning, so they must be doing something right.

NGU.

[Toots]

3. I like honesty

Sorry there are so many that feel he should not be honest and just keep his mouth shut. Dean has my vote. I can't say that about many Democrats I will no longer vote for just the party. They are losers and have let me down at every opportunity where Dean has not. He speaks from the heart not from the polls.

[MontecitoDem]

9. Speaking honestly, he HATES 50% of those who voted in this last election?

it's not that I don't want him to speak honestly. I don't like to know that he honestly hates 50% of the americans that voted in the last election.

it's a poor message. and a poor belief.

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Do you even know what he said?

Or are you taking the word of NewsHax and/or DLC interns posting a NewsHax quote to start shit?

He didn't say anything about 50.8% of the voters. He was saying that, as vile as the Repigs are, you have to admit that their machine is organized. Of course when you own all three branches of government and most of the media, that's a lot easier.

[lojasmo]

19. Sigh...the quote was taken out of context. Here's the actual quote...

"I want to do what the republicans are doing...I hate republicans, and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization"

Speaking about our need for discipline and organization, but against compromising our values....the part about hating the republicans was a caveat, an aside from the point he was making.

[MontecitoDem]

22. an undisciplined aside.

I read the quotes in context. It's still a dumb thing to say. Can we really pretend that it's not because of the context?

[lojasmo]

23. If there weren't so many trying hard to promote the out of context message

It wouldn't be an issue at all.

It was AN ASIDE, for christ's sake. :eyes:

[Dr Fate]

4. I hate nearly everything Republicans stand for.

Not so hard for me to say.

[KittyWampus]

6. I Don't Hate Republicans. I "Hate" Neo-Cons & Fascists. Big Difference

DNC Chair may not need a politician but it DEFINATELY requires a diplomat.

Dean's way of phrasing his sentiment was highly undiplomatic.

Edit- Yes, I KNOW he was referring to Leadership. But he didn't SAY that specifically. It was IMPLIED by the rest of his comment.

[DancingBear]

8. I don't necessarily agree with the "diplomat" part

I never found Racicot or any of his Repub predecessors to be diplomatic - if I recall Racicot was even on Limbaugh's program several times, spewing venom disguised as "entertainment."

By making such a statement Dean is making the stand we all want our leaders to make. He can now go forward and say "this is why", and read the litany of mistakes they have and continue to make, at the expense of the American populace that doesn't fall into the top 1%.

With regard to Neo-cons vs. Repubs - in a "thinking" world like exists here on DU you are correct. However, the Neo-Con IS the face of the Republican Party today, and I believe Dean knows it.

[KittyWampus]

13. Well, When Democrats Get A Left Wing Media In Place They Can Spout

venom and nonsense like Racicot and get away it.

And Chairmanships are all about Diplomacy. It's in the job description.

[DancingBear]

14. Was Terry McC.diplomatic?

I would say yes he was, and we know the result.

With regard to a left wing media - we're trying, ya know. :)

Given that, it is up to us to frame the debate, and let the CNN's of the world react to it. I would argue that our current problem is that we are afraid of the media. Why not stick our collective butts right in it's face? Dean is every pundit's wet dream - until, that is, he backs his statements up with FACTS, and calls the pundits on it. If we (the Dems) allow him to do it, he will be masterful. Same thing that Wes just started doing at the end of his campaign - a nice healthy shot of "you're wrong - here's why."

[WindRavenX]

20. the time for being diplomatic is over

That hasn't worked for years. The Republicans have a stranglehold on power precisely because they have taken a position to essentially not engage in any sort of dialog with the Democratic Party. It has lead to tremendous success.
We need someone like Dr. Dean to be a vicious, no-holds bared spokesman for the Democratic Party.
We've played nice. It's time to get dirty and collectively say FUCK YOU to the Right and everything they stand for.

[xchrom]

7. it's how i feel

why pretend?

[Swede Atlanta]

10. Touche

I hate all the repuKKKes and I don't hide my feelings. It's better to express your feelings then hold them inside. If you do they become very unhealthful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. The Party Exists To Win Elections Not Provide A Catharsis For It's Members

eom

[Larkspur]

17. And without providing a catharsis for it's members, the Dem Party will

continue to lose elections. Case you hadn't noticed, but the Dems are the minority party in Washington DC.

[Al-CIAda]

12. hehe

:thumbsup:

[Cocoa]

16. Dean doesn't hate republicans

I doubt he said that, and if he did say it he didn't mean it and it was a minor blunder.

[Duncan Grant]

18. LMAO!

Imagine the arrogance - he actually talked about having the courage of his convictions! What a rat bastard. (/sarcasm)

Look, I want a bold and decisive leader who DOES NOT FEAR republicans. Is that so wrong? Go get 'em Howard! :thumbsup:

[jpgray]

21. It isn't a good statement, because it doesn't even articulate his ideas

Some Dean fans will contort themselves trying to explain the layers of complex meaning, but even in full context his "I hate Republicans" is dumb, because it doesn't convey what he meant and it can be readily quoted to harm the party. Dean didn't mean that he hates every Republican voter or any who identify themselves as Republicans, but by using a too-general sentence, he's left himself open for spin and strategic attacks from the right. That isn't good.

Also, what you're creating in your post is a false choice--it isn't a choice between poorly articulated swipes at the GOP and spineless subservience. Dean could have easily said what he meant--that he hates the current leadership / direction of the Republican Party. That would have been fine, because it doesn't over-generalize and it doesn't provide a blunt object for the media and the opposition to bash us over the head with. Sure Racicot or Gillespie spew nasty things, but they don't say "I hate Democrats" because that isn't strategically wise.

This isn't that big of a deal, but Dean could have put his point across much better and inoculated himself against spin by being clear--I don't see what purpose it serves to pretend this isn't the case.