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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:22 PM
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The Hill: Dean a Sure Thing
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean yesterday took a major step toward securing the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee by grabbing the endorsement of powerful state Democratic leaders.

After the Association of State Democratic Chairmen (ASDC) formally backed Dean, several operatives for rival campaigns said that the former governor’s dominant showing among the key DNC constituency could mean that the race, to be decided on Feb. 12, is all but over.

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:26 PM
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1. Dean is a good man.
If he can't be president, maybe this is the next best thing-for him and the rest of us.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:35 PM
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5. Frankly, I'd rather he be a good party organizer
Since when has being a "good man" been important? JFK cheated on his wife repeatedly. LBJ was one of the meanest sonofabitches around. Bill Clinton's moral failings are pretty obvious.

The problem is, we aren't appointing a saint here. We're are appointing someone to rebuilt our party apparatus. And the only evidence we have to go on with respect to Howard Dean is his presidential campaign, which is generally regarded as one of the worst run campaigns, from an organizational standpoint, in recent memory. Sure, he raised more money than any other candidate, but his ground game sucked. He was badly outorganized by Kerry and even Edwards, who had only a fraction of the money Dean had to spend.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:54 PM
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9. You've got to be kidding? The Dean Campaign changed elections for EVER.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 12:55 PM by mzmolly
Additionally the PAC Dean formed "Democracy For America" had great success funding and helping candidates get elected to office all over this nation. He has proven he has EXACTLY what it takes to chair the party.

Further, Dean wasn't "out organized" he was eliminated by the media who feared him. This was also accomplished with the help of ALL the other candidates who pledged to work together to assist in taking him down.



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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:12 PM
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15. By JFK you mean
Kennedy right? Just making sure.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:27 PM
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24. Well, I don't wish to seem argumentative, here, but
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 06:30 PM by EST
since elective office and high level bureaucratic/management jobs have seemed to be the province of the dregs of the ethical thermometer and the moral detritus of society (to osterize a metaphor or two,) it begins to appear as though the only way to reverse the course of this latter day Roman empire is to install people of honor and value. More of the same crap, though they be wondrous organizers or magical political hacks is just not going to save us and our vaunted political system.

The only thing that can be done is to find those who actually believe in and practice the the values they pretend to. Up until now the really good people have been run over by the degenerates whose only claim to fame is overweening ambition and narrow-mindedness.

Dean is not only a good man, but a man with good, sound ideas and an ability to motivate people and bring out the best in them. Couple that with the apparent fact that he doesn't seem to have been such an insider as to have been irretrievably stained by the system and has the ability to attract those who are not totally hidebound to work with him and maybe we have a good beginning. Anything besides total incompetence would beat the " * lite" appeasers we have now. We are sure to lose even more ground if we follow the same old shit way we've been going: merely tweaking the system ain't gonna fix it!

Rip the lid off and let some sunshine in!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:28 PM
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2. this is fantastic news

Cher
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:30 PM
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3. Excellent!!! n/t
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:32 PM
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4. Thank god! One bit of good news.
Tell America the truth Howard, we WILL restore honor to America again.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:13 PM
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18. I'm glad for this
We need Mr. Dean. :) I'm glad he's getting more support. After all this if he doesn't get the DNC chair then I'l be very shocked. The only other person I liked for the job was Mr. Webb.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:39 PM
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6. So we're not the only ones pissed over the last two Pres. campaigns.
Lotta money spent....and we walk away from victory just because the other guy picks on us?

To me, this vote is pure outrage.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:47 PM
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7. Common Sense, Reality, and Reason sez Dean is one of the best to choose
from.....

Come, we go join The Squad
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:43 PM
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30. It shows the "scream" didn't
bother these guys!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 01:54 PM
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40. Ed Zachery,.....those Pubs, they act like they don't scream occasionaly
Who on this Earth don scream from time to time unless voice challenged somehow?

Dean will do a good job....a very good bet with good odds of success
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:52 PM
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8. Go Iceman!
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:54 PM
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10. I'm doin backflips
yes, yes yes
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:55 PM
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11. I'm not going to celebrate until it is an actuality, but I agree
it is looking good.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:07 PM
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12. Right -- don't spend it 'til you got it - but here's a cautious WOO-HOO!
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:08 PM
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13. Hell yes!
Dean is going to give this party some teeth!!!
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:10 PM
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14. Link please?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:13 PM
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17. Paid subscription only.
Or else I would have.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:16 PM
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22. you'll have to take the OP's word for it
there's THIS however
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:49 PM
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31. Thanks, Capn!
I know Dean said he wouldn't run if he didn't think he would win!


I, also, know he's doin' this for all of us!

Thank you, Governor Dean..I hope you win the DNC Chair so we can get BUSY! :kick:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:01 PM
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34. If this works, it'll make history--
(from your link)

Dean’s capture of the DNC chair would be an important victory for the new wave of grass-roots activists who re-energized the party’s base in last year’s election. Dean’s candidacy has been opposed by the Democratic Party establishment and according to the Los Angeles Times, “unease about a Dean chairmanship is widespread among congressional leaders and many governors. But almost none of those grumbling privately have expressed their concerns publicly — in part, some believe, because they fear crossing the ardent grass-roots, Internet-activist community still backing Dean.”

YEEAARRGHHHH!!

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:13 PM
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19. http://www.google.com/
:evilgrin:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:12 PM
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16. Perhaps we can stop the hate and get to work
once the eventuality of this sinks in maybe some of the more obnoxious posters, having failed in their mission, will fade away.

Hey,it could happen!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:13 PM
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20. Stop what hate?
What the hell are you talking about? And are you calling me an obnoxious poster?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:35 PM
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25. You? Obnoxious? Never!
:P
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:13 PM
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38. Gee thanks!
:P :evilgrin:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:14 PM
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21. Don't count on it. They have DLC checks to cash...
RL
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:52 PM
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23. With Dean as head of the DNC
I'll stop voting Green since the Democrats have a real progressive in power. And just may donate some to the Democrats since they have decided not to be Repub lite.

:bounce:
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sagesnow Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:42 PM
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42. HooRay!! With Dean
in charge of the DNC I may decide to stay in the up-till-now Spineless Democratic party.

http://www.backbonecampaign.org/index.cfm
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:36 PM
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26. Great news!
Hooray for Dean!:bounce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:38 PM
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27. I'm not getting excited until the
deal is done. Like Dean said..I've been there before..

Happy a lot of people think he's worthy, though.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:05 PM
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35. I'm with you
I'll still be waiting for the other shoe to drop, while crossing my fingers that it doesn't before the 12th. I'd rather be cynical and win, than too optimistic and have it snatched away at the last minute. I hope Dean doesn't count his chickens too soon and just keeps doing what he's been doing thus far.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:39 PM
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28. As long as we rid the party of Wimps
At least we know the DNC will have a backbone with Dean running it
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:40 PM
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29. We have eleven days to go
and the media is going to work hard to ensure that Dean gets sent home to Vermont for good.

We must continue to support him and to reach out to those who supported the candidates that have recently dropped out and endorsed Dean (Leland and Webb) and those who just dropped out (Frost).

Fight for Dean!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:50 PM
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32. Didn't Frost endorse Dean today? (nt)
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:07 PM
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36. No, he dropped out
but did not endorse - however I believe the Texas State Chair did endorse Dean - dKos may have the link. Sorry
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:09 PM
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37. I know Frost called Dean
And congratulated him. I guess I just assumed that was an endorsement.

I think I read it at LBN. Thanks. :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:52 PM
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33. Even if Dean doesn't make
DNC Chair..he's still going to be working Hard for us from the DFA Chair!
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:22 PM
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39. Dean as chair and Clinton as UN Secy General!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:24 PM
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41. ...and watch the right wingnuts go

Crazy!

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