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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:48 PM
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Tell me again about PNAC

This isn't a conspiracy theory? It's real? Any right wing discussion of this? Why is it not reported? I'm just now learning of this and I'm amazed but have had limited computer time to check it out. I need someone to tell it to me straight.

All the iraq stuff just fits so well into this pnac stuff. Bush's presidency, iraq it all just seems to make sense now.

anyway, have you ever brought this up with freepers? what do they say?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:49 PM
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1. It's not a conspiracy. They have a website.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:50 PM
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2. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ Read it and weep
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:51 PM by Walt Starr
It's a conspiracy, but it's a fact, not some improper implication from the term "theory".

Cheney, Jeb Bush, Biden, Lieberman, etc. etc. etc. are all in on the conspiracy.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:57 PM
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10. Lieberman?
I have never heard that before?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:04 PM
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15. Lieberman's not PNAC but an offshoot organization
Can't recall the name - something about liberation of Iraq? Same agenda.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:26 PM
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25. This?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:31 PM
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26. CLI >
Bruce Jackson, who sits on PNAC's five-member board of directors and was until 2002 Lockheed Martin's director of strategic planning, was the point man in establishing the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) in November 2002. By Jackson's account, the current administration encouraged him to set up CLI. "People in the White House said, 'We need you to do for Iraq what you did for NATO'," Jackson asserted.

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq was the quintessential modern front group, built on a diverse membership, international connections, a broad and unifying statement of purpose, and internal disciplines. Scheunemann, CLI's executive director, was like Jackson a board member of the US Committee on NATO; and he was at the core of the early efforts in Congress and within the Republican Party to support the Iraqi National Congress (INC). Ahmed Chalabi, INC's chieftain, was a wealthy Iraqi expatriate who gained favor with neocons and hawks during the 1990s but was distrusted by the State Department and the CIA. In his position as national security adviser to Senator Trent Lott, Scheunemann had drafted numerous legislative bills shaping Washington's Iraq policy. One of these bills, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, authorized $98 million to the INC – funds that were never fully disbursed by the Clinton administration, partly because of serious infighting within the INC.

Most CLI board members were prominent neocons, such as Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, William Kristol, and Joshua Muravchik. But the success of the CLI as a front group stemmed from its ability to incorporate Democrats and Republicans outside the politically incestuous circle of neocons, including former Senator Bob Kerrey, former Congressman Steve Solarz, Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute (an offshoot of the center-right Democratic Leadership Council), Sen. John McCain, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, and former Secretary of State George Shultz, who served as honorary chairman of the CLI advisory board.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/barry.php?articleid=2161
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:51 PM
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3. It's Republican for "Mein Kampf"
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:51 PM
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4. scariest part to me about PNAC?
their "call" for a "new Pearl Harbor."

9/11
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:53 PM
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6. Scarier is the date they called for a "new Pearl Harbor"
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM by Walt Starr
a year before 9/11/01.*

* http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
dated September 2000



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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:08 PM
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18. amen!
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:24 AM
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40. Did anyone notice how the HIGHLY-marketed movie "Pearl Harbor"
was released in May 2001? Which means it was scheduled for production and filmed in 2000.

I remember when I saw the trailer in Spring 2001, I remember thinking "They're glorifying this so much, they want to re-live Pearl Harbor." As you may recall, the movie flopped...despite WAY OVER-THE-TOP publicity. Even though it failed, the subliminal mind-set it created in anyone who even saw the trailer, or promo ads on TV...got them "ready" for 9/11. The on-line movie promo discusses how "Nat'l Geographic" also ran a feature article in June 2001 (in association with release of the film), about the attack on the USS Arizona during the real Pearl Harbor.

Could be coincidental, but...in life and politics, "timing is everything."
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:26 AM
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42. Hollywood is used to shape opinion
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:28 AM
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43. The opinion it shaped: "Pearl Harbor Sucks." n/t
:D
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:53 PM
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5. Kinda in a rush, so i didnt vet this....
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM
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7. PNAC 101 thread by LunaC
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM by JohnyCanuck
See this DU thread for PNAC 101 by LunaC

PNAC 101
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM
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8. A few links
And yes, it's very, very real.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

PNAC's agenda should be common knowledge to every American; I try to inform anyone and everyone.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:55 PM
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9. Not a conspiracy AT ALL. VERY REAL organization,
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:56 PM by BullGooseLoony
with a fairly long history. Rummy, Cheney, Quayle, Bennett, many, many others....

LOL even Bill Schneider- yes, CNN's Bill Schneider. :P
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:57 PM
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11. A very short primer...
NOT a conspiracy theory, VERY real indeed, and TOTALLY out in the open about what they want.


Here's a start from my site:

An Introduction to The Project for the New American Century

With the recent Iraqi war revelations made by Paul O'Neill in the Ron Suskind book "The Price of Loyalty", we think this is an incredibly opportune moment to introduce you to an influential foreign policy group called The Project for the New American Century (PNAC). You may or may not already know about this organization and its intimate involvement with the current administration. If this group is new to you, reading about it may make you feel like you "took the red pill" and took a dive down the rabbit hole.

After all, talk of controlling cyberspace as an offensive measure, deployment of permanent forces in the Middle East, the control of outer space and even the creation of genotype-specific biological weapons for use as a "politically useful tool" could make your head spin more radically than a White House press release.

But we think this trip is necessary.... —Ed.

In March of 1992, during the last year of the first Bush presidency, a draft of a confidential internal Pentagon policy paper was leaked to the press and reported on in a New York Times article. The memorandum was a "Defense Planning Guide" for then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (currently Vice President), and was to be the map for America's foreign policy and strategy. <1>

The report was written with the substantial input of Cheny, Undersecretary of Policy Paul Wolfowitz (currently deputy Secretary of Defense), and Lewis "Scooter" Libby (currently Vice-presidential Chief of Staff), and reflected the public statements of Colin Powell, serving then as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (currently Secretary of State).

Excerpts of six key objectives covered in the document:

• "Our first objective is to prevent the reemergence of a new rival..."

• "The U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role..."

• "...The sense that the world order is ultimately backed by the U.S. will be an important stabilizing factor."

• "...By assuming responsibility for righting every wrong, we will retain the preeminent responsibility for addressing selectively those wrongs which threaten not only our interests, but those of our allies or friends..."

• "In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region's oil."

When first covered by the press, many aspects of the report proved to be so controversial that members of the White House staff under President George H. Bush were forced to disavow it in the media. <2>

A final report, the "Defense Policy Guidelines", was released months later and had significantly toned down the draft's emphasis on the United States maintaining the status of sole world power and engaging in unilateralism. <3>

In the spring of 1997, a nonprofit, educational organization was founded by neoconservative columnist William Kristol and writer Robert Kagan. It was called The Project for the New American Century and proposed using "issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars" to push for an American foreign policy that would "shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests". Their Statement of Principles called upon citizens and the government to "embrace the cause of American leadership" and suggested <4>:

• "We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future..."

• "...we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values..."

• "...we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad..."

• "...we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles."

This Statement of Principles was signed by (among others):

Dick Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld (current Secretary of Defense)
Paul Wolfowitz (current Deputy Secretary of Defense)
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby (current Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney)
Elliott Abrams (current National Security Council: Senior Director for Near East and North African Affairs)
William J. Bennett (current presidential advisor)
Eliot A. Cohen (current member of the Defense Policy Board)
Aaron Friedberg (current Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney)
Francis Fukuyama (current member of the President's Council on Bioethics)
Zalmay Khalilzad (current Ambassador to Afghanistan)
Peter W. Rodman (current Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs)
Henry S. Rowen (current member of the Defense Policy Board)
Jeb Bush (George W. Bush's brother and current governor of Florida)
Vin Weber (current Midwest campaign chairman for George W. Bush)

In a January 26, 1998, letter <5> to President William J. Clinton on the situation in Iraq, The Project for the New American Century advised him that:

"The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy... We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council."

This letter was signed by (among others):

Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Elliott Abrams
William J. Bennett
John Bolton (now Undersecretary of State)
Richard Perle (now a member of the Defense Policy Board)
Francis Fukuyama
Zalmay Khalilzad
Peter W. Rodman
Vin Weber

In September of 2000, just months before George W. Bush was elected to the Presidency, The Project for the New American Century released a report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New American Century". <6> The organization's key findings concluded that for the armed forces to carry out core missions in the new century, the United States would be required, among other things, to:

• "Control the new 'international commons' of space and 'cyberspace', and pave the way for the creation of a new military service -- U.S. Space Forces -- with a mission of space control."

• "Develop and deploy global missile defenses to defend the American homeland and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world."

• "Reposition U.S. forces to respond to 21st century strategic realities by shifting permanently-based forces to Southeastern Europe and Southeast Asia."

Additionally, the report:

• States that the military's primary role today is no longer a defensive one but "is to secure and expand the 'zones of democratic peace' ".

• Calls for a permanent and substantial military force in the Middle East, as well as "forward-based units" across the globe to create what they call an "American security perimeter".

• Singles out Syria, Iran, Iraq and North Korea (members of the "Axis of Evil") as potential future adversaries.

• Foresees a time when "advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes" may "transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".

• Sees control over "cyberspace" as "an offensive capability" that "could offer America's military and political leaders an invaluable tool in disabling as adversary in a decisive manner".

• Makes the case that the needed transformation of the military forces would be a long one, "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor".

Paul Wolfowitz, the current Deputy Secretary of Defense, participated in the creation of that report.

In looking at the stated goals of The Project for the New American Century, and the many high-ranking positions held by its members in the current Bush Administration, it is it not at all far-fetched to come to the conclusion that this organization has had an unprecedented chance to shape American foreign policy.

Indeed, many of PNAC's recommendations have already been enacted by the Administration, including the pulling out of the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty with Russia -- which has paved the way for the creation of a missile defense system <7>, the repealing of the decade-old ban on the development of low-yield nuclear weapons -- which opened the door for the research and creation of a small, "bunker-buster" nuclear device <8>, and the labeling of Syria as a member of the "Axis of Evil", with sanctions being enacted against them <9> and plans being made for a possible military intervention <10>. President Bush's recent plan to return humans to the moon has also been seen as part of a scheme to control the vast supply of power-generating Helium-3 that can be found there. <11> Even the use of the word "homeland" to describe the United States originated in PNAC's documents.

Considering their level of influence within the Administration, it is vitally important that Americans fully understand the reach and intent of The Project for the New American Century, and the ways in which they would have us achieve the creation of a "Pax Americana".


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Links:
The Project for the New American Century:
http://www.newamericancentury.org

Extensive biographies of The Project for the New American Century members:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/index.php

More about the "neocon" (new conservative) movement:
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html


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References:
<1> & <3> Pentagon Drops Goal of Blocking New Superpowers; The New York
Times, May 23, 1992
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/Wolfowitz92memo.htm

<2> Senior U.S. Officials Assail Lone-Superpower Policy; The New York Times,
March 11, 1992
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/1990s/nyt031192.html

<4> Statement of Principles; The Project for the New American Century, June
3, 1997
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

<5> Letter to President Clinton on Iraq; The Project for the New American
Century, January 26, 1998
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

<6> Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New
Century; A Report of the Project for the New American Century, September 2000
http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

<7> U.S. Quits ABM Treaty; CNN, December 14, 2001
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/

<8> Bush Pushes For Next Generation Of Nukes; USA Today, July 6, 2003
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-06-nuclear-usat_x.htm

<9> Bush Signs Syria Sanctions Bill; CNN, December 13, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/bush.syria/

<10> Bush Aides Debate Attacking Syria; Knight Ridder News Service, January,
10, 2004
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/7678820.htm

<11> U.S. Eyes Space As Possible Battleground; Reuters, January 18, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/19/space.weapons.reut/



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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:36 PM
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29. These people are suggesting that genocide can be politically useful?
Just what do they have in mind?
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La Femme Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:26 AM
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41. PNAC
Not to be confused with PAC. Both abbreviations appear too similar and no doubt will create some confusion.
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:52 AM
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44. Makes my skin crawl. nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:01 PM
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12. www.pnac.info gives original links, analysis and follow-up. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:01 PM
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13. Eloriel posted this list last week - DU threads & more links >
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:02 PM
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14. 9-11=PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" -9-11 was an inside job
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:05 PM
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16. is/was kerry in on this?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:11 PM
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19. Good question.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:17 PM
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31. BOB Kerrey - see my post #26 above - n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:06 PM
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17. that what we call the new Dem playbook
go go DLC! rah! Rah! RAH!
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DemOperative Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:13 PM
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20. remember this-it's a BELIEF SYSTEM
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 04:14 PM by DemOperative
the neocons laid it all out there, but they wholeheartedly accept this as factual, not theory. The scary part about this is that they leave no room for error. They blunder ahead because they are so convinced in their heads that they are right , and God ois on their side. The nuance, the give and take that is International Diplomacy is totally lost on these asshats.

Thus
they WILL invade Iran, and the civilians will join them in a glorious struggle fro freedom. No other outcome will occur. It does save them a lot of time not having to consider differenr scenarios.

Like with Iran: the Chiese just signed a mutual assitance agreement regarding oil. You think they will have something to say about it? The neocons don't.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:15 PM
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22. Russia is also pledged to help Iran in the event of an invasion.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:14 PM
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21. The rwingers and most Dems in Congress agree with it.
Actually, Bush's official, published game plan for the US in 2002 stated PNAC goals in no uncertain terms and not a word of dissent was voiced anywhere, except in the entire rest of the world, of course.
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12345 Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:15 PM
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23. It's not as unbelievable as it sounds..
It's all carefully worded. They don't exactly "call" for a "New Pearl Harbor." They just say that something akin to a "New Pearl Harbor" would facilitate their agenda. It's thrown out there more like a wish. I heard so much about it thatI read their plan. I kept thinking, "They wouldn't just write this." Well, they don't. A lot of it's there if you read between the lines, but the media don't do that sort of thing, so they're not interested. Just a lot of stuff about making our military stronger.

The most unbelievable statement (to me) in the whole document was that, "advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform boiological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." Last time I checked, "military" and "civilian" weren't genotypes.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:15 PM
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30. Yeah, what are they talking about?
How is genocide politically useful?

What are these people thinking? Are they thinking?

What page is the Pearl Harbor part on? I haven't read the whole thing yet.
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12345 Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:27 PM
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32. Pearl Harbor p. 51,
Genocide p. 60
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:00 AM
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36. OK, I found it and
at least they don't say outright that a "New Pearl Harbor" would be "useful," and it doesn't sound as if they necessarily anticipated one.

The genotype-specific weapons statement really is bizarre, though. It makes them sound like neo-Nazis.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:14 AM
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37. I beg to differ, if that statement doesn't sound 'wishful", then
no statement does. The sttatement blatently laments on the long complicated task -unless we are fortunate to have a 'NPH' happen.

While you are in the mood, type in "Operation Northwoods" in your google.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:44 AM
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38. Yes, I'd heard of the Cuban plan before
but that was conceived during a Democratic administration. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about this administration.

The report doesn't actually come out and say that a new Pearl Harbor would be fortunate. That's all I was trying to say.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:09 AM
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39. a 'process' that is made un'- 'complicated' sound like desire to
this reader. Unless you are Condi Rice, considering the context of events I find it difficult to read it otherwise.

"that was conceived during a Democratic administration. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about this administration."

The plan did not originate from the administration, or he may have not been killed -but as you may have noticed by the links some have provided, this latest scheme is no longer exclusive to Republicans.



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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:16 PM
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24. A few links for your perusal...
http://www.pnac.info

THE COMING WARS by Seymour M. Hersh
What the Pentagon can now do in secret.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

THE STOVEPIPE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How conflicts between the Bush Administration and the intelligence community marred the reporting on Iraq’s weapons.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

SELECTIVE INTELLIGENCE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

The new Pentagon papers - By Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

Hijacking Catastrophe - by Karen Kwiatkowski (Lt. Col. USAF retired)
Hijacking Catastrophe is powerful, understated, straightforward and educational. In a single meticulously organized hour of evidence and analysis, viewers are treated to a thoughtful explanation of modern American empire, neo-conservatism as a driving force for the current Bush administration.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6895.htm

Video (right-click and Save As)...this requires Real Player (I use Real Alternative) to view
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/hijacking_catastrophe.rm

(Book) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566565812/qid=1098245105/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-4468077-5068015?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:36 PM
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27. Depends on what you mean
"This isn't a conspiracy theory?"

by the word conspiracy. It's worse than a conspiracy, it's an actual foreign policy. It's not like they hide it. They really don't. They're pretty open about these things.

"It's real?"

They're in the White House, media, and think tanks in Washington.

"Any right wing discussion of this?"

Couldn't say. But my guess if there is? They're all for it. Well, depending on who you're talking about.

"Why is it not reported?"

They never come out and say PNAC, but you can tell the media knows. They all tlk about the neocons, and how they want to change the Middle East, etc, etc. They have Woolsey, Perle, Gaffney, Kristol, Krauthammer, etc, etc, on TV everyday. I've heard it mentioned on TV a few times, but no in depth reports or anything.

"All the iraq stuff just fits so well into this pnac stuff. Bush's presidency, iraq it all just seems to make sense now."

That it does. They picked Bush, Bush didn't pick them.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:46 PM
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28. Welcome to DU
Yes, as you can see from all these posts, PNAC is real and scarier than hell. What do freepers say? I do believe they think it's all just great as long as their "Man of Faith" Bush is at the helm. As a poster said, the PNAC'ers picked him to carry out their goals and objectives. He certainly couldn't do anything on his own--the "I'm a Christian" line helped him bring the RW fundies on board. It's all very complicated and sickening and you'll never ever see the mainsteam media address it, 'cause they're on the train.

Someday they'll see the truth but I'm thinking it will be too late for the truth to set us free.

God help us all.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:16 PM
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33. PNAC lawsuit attempt underway-
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 07:17 PM by Al-CIAda
   As  we begin 2005, the most prominent and urgent need is to disassemble the fascist government that has taken over the United States in the past four years. To that end I have filed a lawsuit in Reno Nevada on January 14, 2005 against George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in order to let Americans have a chance of assisting a court ordered dismantling of the PNAC which has been adopted by the White House.

Don't know what PNAC is? Most Americans don't!  It is the agenda being followed by the Bush Administration since 9/11 under cover of the War on Terrorism. You can check it out on the internet by typing PNAC in your browser. Or look up Project for the New American Century. You'll be disgusted and filled with despair. If you voted for Bush you'll feel like you have been violated!

You can read a press release on this if you go to:

http://foundersfreedomdefensefund.blogspot.com/   (may need to copy and paste in your browser)

After the fiasco of November 2nd, we have discovered that we cannot rely on politicians or even politically controlled offices of Secretaries of States who control voting. If we are going to have an America of "We the People", we are going to have to take back the  Government from the politicians and place them under our control.

As an outgrowth of this lawsuit, ( and I admit we are plowing new ground) we need to use every  legal strategy available to obtain control of our government which  we the people are supposed to own.  A definition of a fascist regime is one in which control has been obtained by extreme right-wing elements. And that is where we are  today. We need to end that with an:

AMERICAN REVOLUTION 'O5

I will make suggestions for that in the near future. What we need to do now is  not allow Bush and Cheney the "mantle"  of office for the new term. That "mantle" of  appearing bigger and more powerful than life itself will not descend upon them if we stand together in this struggle.

http://www.dougwallace.com/
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:46 PM
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34. why isn't this lawsuit being talked about???
What is going on? Clinton coudn't take a shit wrong without us knowing and all this stuff isn't in the mainstream and it's scary!!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:35 PM
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35. The "media" silence is deafening. -eom
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