Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Since Bush is not even in control of his administration and

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:16 PM
Original message
Since Bush is not even in control of his administration and
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 08:19 PM by independentchristian
you don't believe that he is all that intelligent, what do you really think that he knows about what is going on?

Do you think he is intentionally trying to deceive the American public on SS or do you think that he doesn't know much about the issue and really does believe that there is a crisis because he has been told by his "handlers" that there is one?

Do you think that he tried to deceive the American public on Iraq, or he believed what his "foreign policy advisors" and handlers (PNAC) told him, and because he knows that he is not all that bright, he doesn't trust his own thoughts or hunches for fear that he might screw something up, so he just does what he is told?

Do you think that because he knows that people who are "smarter than he is" installed him as president, he just "gets with the program"?

Of course, he is the President, but we know that he is not calling the shots, he is agreeing to them and signing them into action.

How much control do you think he really has over what's going on?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Merrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. You want a numerical estimation? How about 3%
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. So, if Bush is only responsible for coming up with 3% of it
what is the most effective way to go after them?

Is it by going after Bush?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pss Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
3. He knows what's going on...
He may not be privy to the details, and he may not understand it all, but he knows what's going on. I don't think he really cares, is all...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. We have a President?
Isn't this an anarchy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
5. He is a mouthpiece. A front man. A carnival barker.
He parrots what Cheney and Rove say. Cheney is still in charge here (apologies to Gen. Asshole Haig).



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Exactly
Just listen to him talk about it. If he really cared and knew what was going on he would talk to professionals and listen to opposing sides. He hasn't, has he? Not that I know of. Bush is a clueless dolt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:28 PM
Response to Original message
6. don't be so naive
the "greed is good"people are the evil empire and they are in charge
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:36 PM
Response to Original message
7. he's criminal, he knows that....
he knows he'll be put to death if he doesn't keep the spin going, and he's a crafty enough thug to let rove etc out'fox' fox 'news'(ie: the media)...and to use the american people's biases against them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. We need someone to
blow the whistle on him like with what happened to Nixon and Eisenberg.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. daniel ellsberg and the pentagon papers?
the Ervin senate hearings, where the ellsberg psychiatrist break in became widely known, exposed the nixon admin to harsh sunlight, and destroyed nixon's support...someday we'll probably find out the busheviks (junior's daddy and uncles etc) were behind nixon's trouble, bob woodward being a proven bushevik)....i've no doubt that one day people will talk, but the media is in as deep as the busheviks, because they abetted the election fraud in 2000 election, so until the men running the US media are destroyed....the big lie will be only truth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
8. He is told he is leading and he believes it because he wants to believe.
He has been made to be highly suggestable by his handlers and so long as they blow a little smoke up his ass and tell him he is a great leader he will believe it.
Is he aware of what damage he is doing? I believe even he, idiot that he is, is aware and has an idea. This isn't his first rodeo. Texas is a pretty fucked up place.

The man is delusional as well as wreckless. By himself he is a hapless idiot and miserable failure, but with PNAC corporate backing he is a DANGEROUS petty dictator.


I wonder if he's figured out that his people did 9-11.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. He probably doesn't know it
I wouldn't be surprised. He's so clueless. Note how he said he doesn't read the newspaper and his people only tell him the "news." At least Nixon read the news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:41 PM
Response to Original message
11. I think he understands. He knows what goes on. But
he's a sociopath and takes it all in stride. I think he can be led but only down paths he's familiar with. Remember his mocking the woman who was going to be executed in Texas? He's a few short of a full deck but still capable of playing the game.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
12. I go back and forth on this
but in the end I tend to think of him as a sort of mad emperor surrounded by sycophants who try to both appease and flatter him.

I just wish he would go away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:33 PM
Response to Original message
15. He knows what's going on, but he is not in charge
He knows everything. But he's also a lifelong lazy, entitled brat who has no scruples, no morals, and no empathy. So long as he's comfortable (and now, lauded) he couldn't care less about the rest.

Conviction of purpose would imply insight and a personal philosophy. He may be capable of that, but he can't be bothered. As far as the nation is concerned, he is little more than Giuseppe's organ monkey, tethered to the herty gerty. He dances on cue and gets a nut as a reward.

A worthless fuckwad, our Great Leader, Chimpus Khan.

The Feckless Fearless Leader.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:35 PM
Response to Original message
16. No sense! No Control! Just Greed and Power that's all he's about! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
17. You don't have to be a genius to be evil.
Bush is a fine example of how pig-headed shit-fer-brains can do lots of evil.

I believe Bush is very ideological and pig-headed. He surrounds himself with people who are smarter, but who share his ideology.

Don't believe for a minute that he didn't know he was lying about weapons of mass destruction. Bush WANTED war with Iraq, remember, long before 9-11 happened. He DEMANDED that a link be found - and when none was found, Bush sent them back to look again, and again- until finally, the brow-beating took and the CIA gave him what he wanted. Read Clark's book "Against all Enemies."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:01 PM
Response to Original message
18. When it comes to killing and other people's money W puts the game boy down
and does the "hard work". It's what makes him tick. That and "being prayed for"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheOriginalAmerican Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:05 AM
Response to Original message
19. I think Bush is a former crackhead....
because he is a former crackhead.

A former crackhead shouldn't even be allowed to run for president.

On that note, I think that Bush sometimes doesn't know what the heck he's doing.

But yeah, I'd also say he's a frontman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC