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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:46 PM
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EXPOSÉ: THE “CHRISTIAN” MAFIA by Wayne Madsen
maybe this is a dupe but if it is, I missed it til today ...

Where Those Who Now Run the U.S. Government Came From and Where They Are Taking Us



By Wayne Madsen


Part I


After several months of in-depth research and, at first, seemingly unrelated conversations with former high-level intelligence officials, lawyers, politicians, religious figures, other investigative journalists, and researchers, I can now report on a criminal conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using “Christian” groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers, wealthy right-wing businessmen and “clergy” have now assumed firm control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the term “Christian” is merely to clearly identify the criminal conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term “Christian Mafia” is what several Washington politicians have termed the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of the early founders of the so-called “Christian” power cult called the Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive, its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.



The United States has experienced religious and cult hucksters throughout its history, from Cotton Mather and his Salem witch burners to Billy Sunday, Father Charles Coughlin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and others. But none have ever achieved the kind of power now possessed by a powerful and secretive group of conservative politicians and wealthy businessmen in the United States and abroad who are known among their adherents and friends as The Fellowship or The Family. The Fellowship and its predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that McDonald’s uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is used to justify the Fellowship’s access to the highest levels of government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.


more...

http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:57 PM
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1. Great piece!
Thanks!

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:07 PM
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3. I didn't know that *'s missing time from the guards was spent
in a christian drug and alcohol rehab.

Then there is this sick thing about Christian Karl Rove who hits below the belt to attack any Bush opponent. Now Jesus attacked people like the Scribes and Pharisees and taxcollectors in the temple for their greed and hypocrisy. Attacking Viet Nam vets for their service is disgustingly evil and non-Christian. How come the Christians don't see what is obvious?? They win due to evil???
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:13 PM
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4. I truly don't think they care
about the greed and hypocrisy. They're too drunk with power. Everything they have and are about is wrapped up in the chimp and his henchmen. They lust for more and more earthly power and control. Soon they will push the rest of the world to retaliate against us economically.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:19 PM
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20. Most are blinded by the "End Times" or the Rapture, and it doesn't
matter how their tarot card predictions of the Rapture occur, as long as they are made to happen. So if Bush and his henchmen are the anti-Christ and his crew, it doesn't matter to them.

They have entirely missed the point of the teachings of Jesus Christ and his prohibitions about trying to induce the Rapture.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:19 PM
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39. I don't get it either
Also all of Bush's policies aren't Chrisitian-like either. What Christian President takes cuts in programs for the poor, treats their vets with such poor quality care, smears those who served honorably while the person they're supporting was AWOL and also who lies. :grr:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:04 PM
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2. Yup. See this thread about psy-ops of fascism riding on religion.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:24 PM
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8. thanks, just read the link you put up ...sickening, isn't it?
...and the fact that Americans fall for this and take these people as the tellers of the word of god or truth ...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 03:19 PM
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37. This piece on "The Octopus" may interest you as well.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:26 PM
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41. jeezus!!!!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:17 PM
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5. Yawn
Another conspiracy Wayne Madsen piece. You folks forget already? What happened to his whole election fraud angle? It sorta died, didn't it? He claimed he had financial evidence of people being bribed to swing the election and everything. What happened?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:22 PM
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6. Nederland, did you read this piece? Most of it is full of names, places,
dates, times.

Ever been around moonies or the fundies???
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:23 PM
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7. So was the election piece
It went nowhere.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:25 PM
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9. ...I'm not surprised it went nowhere, just like this won't ...
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 03:25 PM by NVMojo
if you look at the connections, I can't see how honest people can unravel the deception and the corruption these people have weaved over decades. Especially when fundies follow so willing ...without question.

Besides, who do we have that can outstrike Rove? What an evil clone.
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:09 PM
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10. please delete, dupe
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 04:18 PM by KingoftheJungle
sorry, dupe post
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:17 PM
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12. That's what you think
As I recall, Madsen had several updates on the election rigging piece which can be found here
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=31&contentid=1697
and here
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=31&contentid=1753

I'm also sitting on top of a ton of the evidence that exists to tie the election companies, numerous government officials including Blackwell, DeWine, Voinovich, and others to this fellowship. Just because every damn article, paper, or filing that links these entities together isn't blasted and duplicated everywhere for everyone to see doesn't mean they don't exist.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:34 PM
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14. Go for it. DO NOT give up. Thank you so much for what you're doing!
And WELCOME TO DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:26 PM
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15. Blackwell's in it up to his eyeballs.
Back in 1997, Blackwell had every intention of running for Governor. Recently, I had a free trial of HighBeam Research, which gives you access to archives of various publications. It was just for a couple of days, but during that time, I looked up stuff about Mr. B. Here's one thing of special note:

BLACKWELL RUNNING MATE.(NEWS)

The Cincinnati Post (Cincinnati, OH); 12/19/1997

State Treasurer J. Kenneth Blackwell, who intends to run for governor, said he has asked David Zanotti to run for lieutenant governor with him. Zanotti, a conservative Republican who leads the Ohio Roundtable, is Blackwell's first choice to share the ticket. A Blackwell-Zanotti ticket would make sense geographically and philosophically by pairing like-minded conservatives from southwest and northeast Ohio. Blackwell plans to resign as treasurer March 1 and run full time for governor.

COPYRIGHT 1997 The Cincinnati Post. All rights reserved. Reproduced with the permission of the Dialog Corporation by Gale Group.


Zanotti is way, way "Family", or at the very least of that ilk. The scariest thing is his CNP membership.

Clipped from http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.wi-z.htm#zanotti Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:20:29 AM:

David Zanotti - CNP 1998; president, Roundtables of Ohio, a state­based organization dedicated to restoring "traditional principles" in American public policy; president, Ohio Freedom Forum, a nonprofit public interest organization; host, The Public Square, a daily news/commentary radio program aired statewide; appointed to the Ohio Adoption Task Force in 1991 by Ohio Governor George Voinovich; coalition member, Ohioans for Terms Limits; attended Cuyahoga Community College, Mt. Vernon Bible College and Mt. Vernon Nazarene College; graduate work at Ashland University.


http://www.ohioroundtable.org/presskit/bio2.html

http://www.ohioroundtable.org/

Gee, it's not just the Ohio Round Table; it's also...the FLORIDA Policy Roundtable. Hunh. Imagine.

Check out all the connections on this page. It'll make the hair stand up on your neck:

http://www.ashbrook.org/sounds/
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 10:19 PM
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27. You are surprised it went nowhere??? Have you been paying any attention
at all over the years? Why would you expect it to go anywhere with these corrupt criminals in full control??
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:21 PM
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28. Never said I was surprised... (nt)
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 03:08 PM
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36. I asked about paid reporters elsewhere but...
Does anyone know if so-called pundits, during the election, were paid to promote Bush-positive (Bush-positive - I like that! It sounds like bad results from a medical diagnostic test!) pseudo-news? It would seem likely that there were some and if so, wouldn't that be a substantial plank in the election fraud building that's being erected?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:24 PM
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40. I think this should be investigated ...like how much were the swift liars
paid?
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:38 PM
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42. From what I've heard
one of the wealthy texans who financed it was a huge homebuilding contractor,, and he gave some of them new houses ( in effect. Really a mortgage structured so they would never have to pay anything for it)
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:16 PM
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11. "The Rise of Dominionism"
"The Rise of Dominionism"
recorded October, 2004, 44 minutes
Download audio and video documenting the Rise of Dominionism (no charge, no copyright)
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

Cornell University's Joan Bokaer explains Dominionism and Reconstructionism and their hijacking of American government.

TheocracyWatch is a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy (CRESP) at Cornell University. CRESP is a nonsectarian, action-based educational organization with its roots in religious dialogue, human rights advocacy, and ethical thought.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

Inform Yourself -- Spread the Word

The rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party is one of the most important stories in modern American political history, yet it is so little understood. You can help educate yourself and others by speaking in public on this important issue.

We've made it easy for you. Joan Bokaer has put her entire presentation, including the script and PowerPoint slide and text show, on a CD for you to use; you need only supply the laptop computer and a projector, and you can be a public speaker. (PowerPoint Player is included.)

Educational materials provided by TheocracyWatch will give you an opportunity to understand the role the Religious Right is playing in shaping our world. The CDs, DVDs, and audiocassette provide a distillation of the vast amount of material covered in the TheocracyWatch website.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:26 PM
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13. thanks for this info, underestimating this faction is what hurt us in the
last two presidential elections and countless other local elections.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:04 PM
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17. Dominionism MUCH bigger than Elections - they are working on the Judiciary
Dominionism is much more serious than the Evangelical Christian movement which was a major factor in the past two presidential races.

The articles provided tell the story in detail, but briefly Dominionism is a sub-sect within Christianity and they believe that their mission is to gain control of the governments of first the US and eventually the world, to prepare it for the millennial reign of Christ.

These people - as well as the Evangelical Christian Right - have realized that while presidential and congressional elections are important - they will never be able to enact their agenda as long as long as there are rational, sane judges serving in the courts. Even strong conservative leaning justices will rule as unconstitutional any measures forced through by the Dominionists if they are fundamentally against the Constitution or deeply destructive of our democracy.

So they have realized that in order to truly seize control of the government and in order to be able to truly radically change our society, they need to gain control of the courts, especially the Supreme Court. They have realized that control of the Supreme Court is MUCH more effective than even having a President and a Congress 'on your side'.


If they are not taken seriously and stopped, I believe they will succeed in capturing the courts and then we will be TRULY SCREWED, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO RECOURSE OR WAY TO APPEAL.

Imagine if even the highest court in the land - The Supreme Court - were packed with people who take the establishment of Dominionism more seriously than they take The Constitution of the United States. There would be noting any citizen, or group of citizens, or congress, or the president could do about it. That is the unique power of the Judiciary and that is why the Dominionists have focused their efforts for control there above all else.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:51 PM
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16. Dominionism: Stealth Theocratic Coup - Ominous Threat to America (links)
Dominionism is not just some ranting of secularists who are worried about the new influence of religion in American government. It is a very specific, very powerful movement WITHIN the Christian Evangelical movement. It is very real and constitutes a serious threat to American Democracy.

Dr. James Dobson and other Fundamentalist Radical Clerics like Jerry Falwel and Pat Robertson are planning and executing a silent, stealth coup to gradually replace the free, secular democratic society of the United States with a Theocracy.

This plan has been spelled out in detail by other radical clerics and is called "Dominionism".

It is critical that people become aware of the extreme agenda these people have for the United States and ultimately for the world. The results of the 2004 election were not a fluke or something that was drummed up over a period of months. It has been in planning for over 20 years, and what we are seeing now is, in the words of Katherine Yurica, "the swift advance of a planned coup".

The articles below are critical for understanding the Dominionist movement and for realizing how real and how detailed their plans are, and how far they have come toward achieving their goals. (note: I am repeating two of the links from Al-CIAda's above post because the links below for the sake of completeness in this list of what I consider to be THE ESSENTIAL resources to understanding Dominionism and the threat it poses to our society.)

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

Video on the Christian Reconstructionist Dominionist Theocratic Agenda
http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org

http://www.theocracywatch.org

The Yurica Report

http://www.yuricareport.com

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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:27 PM
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21. the Yurica Report is without a doubt one of the most important
websites to go to about this subject

I have sent numerous people, including a minister, to the site and what impresses them the most besides what they learn is the footnotes that come with the articles

An absolutely essential website to send people to;invaluable for us to persuade people as to what is happening in this country at this time
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:48 AM
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30. I always tell people to read the footnotes in Yurica articles
...or at least read a few in the start of the article to get a feel for the depth and meticulousness of the documentation that Ms. Yurica puts into her articles.

Often the footnotes are as many pages as the articles, and they usually provide an ever deeper layer of insights into the topics discussed in the articles.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:08 PM
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18. Another Madsen Article - "Bush's Christian Blood Cult"
Bush's Christian Blood Cult
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

and an excellent article by Katherine Yurica:

Bloodguilty Churches
Why Bush’s Agenda Is Immoral and an Abomination to God

http://www.yuricareport.com/Religion/TheBloodGuiltyChurches.html
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:10 PM
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19. RICO'em! n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:36 PM
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23. you might be on to something there ...RICO....
Dobson and his religious company have been lobbying for a "christian" takeover of government for a few decades ...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:41 PM
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24. I'm certainly not the first to think of this nor am I an attorney,
but I do know that RICO was designed to go after organized crime.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:36 PM
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22. A 60 something page read...and interesting in that it puts together
lots of info that DU'ers have linked over the years.

But...I wish he would edit better, because he tends to include stuff that many might feel is :tinfoihat: into his articles. Some folks would be turned off to an unsubstantiated claim that Reagan got "cold blood" after he was shot and that caused him to have Alzheimer's disease later on. Madsen should "cool it" on those tidbits and let someone else check that out.

But, his info on the "Fellowship" and it's tenticles has been documented and he weaves it in nicely with the article, imho, if one has the time to plow through it all.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:54 PM
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25. interesting...INFURIATING--VERY FEW FOOTNOTES
lots of info.....WHERE'S THE PROOF, WHERE DID HE GET THIS INFO

for charges this serious, I need sources, documentation.....WHERE IS IT????????

documentation is needed for almost every sentence.....WHERE ARE THE SOURCES??????
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 10:08 PM
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26. It's definitely short on footnotes. But, Google will show that most of
this has been written about and is there archived in the Press. Unfortunately Madsen tends to be "breathless" in his articles and many folks get turned off by this.

Still...what he says has been posted many times here on DU since the 2000 Selection with links to the articles.

I know it sounds far fetched and he does get some things wrong...like Renaissance Weekend is in Hilton Head, SC and NOT Charleston as the article claims...but on the connections he's got it.. I'm just not sure if he doesn't lump too many folks into what might be a narrower group who has the most power.

Just my 2 cents. I think it's worth the read...even if it sounds a little OTT...there's more truth there than fiction. Maybe his interpretation is too broad? :shrug:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:09 AM
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31. True, but since much of what is said can be found
elsewhere, such as the Yurica report site and assorted articles on CounterPunch. The connections, even if only half accurate, are truely scary. I have always suspected something like this, given the pro-Nazi tendencies of the pre-WWII US. Being of German ancestry has always made me sensitive to such connections.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:26 PM
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29. Don't forget the radical clerics with their mail-order ordinations
Most of whom must be convicted con men. :evilfrown:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:10 PM
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32. WOW! A Friggin' Masterpiece! Madsen's Done It!
He's tied all of the slimy fucking bastards together in a coherent, understandable, probably legally proveable piece. I always knew that if anyone could do it, it would be him. He's a friggin' part bulldog part crocidile part weasel investigative reporter of the highest order.

I've been a fan of Madsen for many years and, like other DU'ers have exchanged e-mails with him. He's the real deal if ever there was.

The part about Chimpy's missing Alabama National Guard Service actually being spent in a San Diego D&A rehab and in the Texas PuLL community service is what will finally Skin the Chimp! If he can prove it, that is. He's the first to connect all of the dots as far as I can tell.

We have got to get this circulated far and wide. It's enough dynamite to bring their evil house of cards fluttering to the ground after it's blown to high heaven.

This deserves FILM. A muti-part documentary. If NPR or The History Channel won't do it, FreeSpeechTV will. Fuck! Mike Moore proved that the right documentary will fill movie theatres. Anyone in contact with Mike. Please, for the love of humanity, get him to read this!

And to think I'm only half way through it.

Wiley
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:39 PM
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34. Please start spreading it
Madsen's claims can be verified, my group holds a lot of the evidence that can confirm many of these allegations. What is important now is blasting this to every corner of the known fucking universe to illuminate the people to what is going on. Without public outcry nothing will get done.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:13 PM
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38. I just finished reading it. It took me 9 friggin' hours!
And I am completely blown away. I can't remember a magazine article that took me longer to read ( and well worth it) and gave me so damn much to digest since the Mark Lane article in Playboy about Jim Garrison's work on the JFK assasination. And that was in the '60's!!!!!
More meat than a full blown Hersh sandwich!
I've already sent it to Mike Malloy and Joe Bageant, need to get it out to Randi Rhodes and Tim Walker Allen her producer.....
But it can't hurt for us to do a shotgun embardment. Everyone send it everywhere. Use the Media Blaster! Not just once. Everyone do it. Get it heard loud and clear.
I gotta get some sleep right now, myself. I'm plumb overwhelmed. But I promise to get right back on it in the am.

For those of you who have read Madsen's previous works and have copped an attitude. Listen. Before Madsen was just putting the pieces of each puzzle part together. This time he has put all of the puzzle parts together, glued it to a board and nailed it to the friggin wall! He's reached critical mass!

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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:28 PM
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33. KICK!
Let's keep this one up top until everyone sees it. This is HUGE!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:42 PM
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35. This is an amazing piece of journalism n/t
I agree it needs to be a documentary.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:31 PM
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43. Might be a good idea to print this out
Before someone disappears it from the web. It's gonna piss some people off. It's a hell of a read.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:50 PM
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44. The Presbyterian Pastors Wife
I have an email friendship with a presbyterian Pastor and his wife who lived above the local Dem Party HQ where I worked late nights before the fraud.
They are actually quite progressive for their species. She sends me Jim Wallis stuff and I send her this kind of stuff.
I got her to read this, the Whole Thing.
She said she was overwhelmed. I told her that I was too.
She said that it was maybe too tin foil hat for her but she had to admit that Madsen made some " amazing connections"
I asked if she would rather call it co-incidence?
It's one or the other.
I thought you folks didn't believe in co-incidence? " not a sparrow falls from the sky..."
I told her to Google any part of it.
Many have put together parts of the puzzle
Madsen put together the puzzle.
Sinclair Lewis published " It Can't Happen Here" in 1935
I'm waiting for her to get back to me.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:11 AM
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45. Too bad most people, DUers included
Will not take the time or effort to read this.
It IS the smoking gun.
It IS the foundation for RICO.
This is an amzing expose.
I completely concur and know about his findings
concerning Frank Buchman and the "Oxford Group."
Or, the roots of the cult known as Alcoholics Anonymous.
No offense intended to any DUers who are "friends of Bill"
but trust me the majority of people in AA have NO idea what the
roots and history of AA are founded in.
I have researched it extensively and have in my possession
several documents relating to the subject which frankly are
COMPLETELY creepy.
BHN
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:12 AM
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46. Wow. A truly excellent article
Some would say Christians get what they deserve for following so blindly. I just hate that the rest of us are getting dragged down with them.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:00 AM
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47. Please Read This Folks!
Madsen has written a lot of stuff before that were not realized because they were just small parts of the picture.
This is the whole Enchilada.
Our best foundation for a RICO action
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:01 AM
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48. Kick
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:01 AM
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49. KICK!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:52 AM
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50. Very interesting and very loooooooooooong.
That only took 2 days to read. ;) One thing he forgot to include is Pat Robertson's Diamond mining in Africa. It's all connected. This is mind boggling. The stranglehold "The Fellowship/Dominionists" have on our government is nothing short of frightening. Hillary Clinton? Daaaaaamn. Bill Nelson and his wife? There's too many members of congress who are members of this sect for them to not know what is going on. They have to. And to think Diane Feinstein was just at the National Prayer Breakfast last week. Does she know what they're all about? She HAS to. So, what does that say about her? She's Jewish. They HATE her. What the hell is going on? Richard Armitage had an office in the Halliburton/Kellog, Brown and Root building? Hmmmmm. That's something I wasn't aware of.

Great article, btw. A tad long, but very interesting.

On Pat Robertson and his Diamond Mining
http://www.skeptictank.org/robem2.htm


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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:05 PM
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53. The Diamond Mines are in there. You just missed it
I totally understand. It is a long hard piece to digest.
But, I see it as a script for a multi-part documentary.
We need to get behind this and get it to a producer with the wherewithall to fact check and package it for mass consumption.
I've been in touch with Madsen and told him so. He's busy right now fleshing it out into a book, which shouldn't take long, he's well over halfway there already.
It's a long involved story with a large cast of actors. I'm sorry it takes so long to read. It took me 9 hours. But, I can't see how the whole story could be told in any shorter way
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:45 PM
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56. You're right, I guess I did miss the Diamond mines.
I'm glad it's in there. It's just one more important piece to the puzzle. Yeah, it had to be long. It took how many years for them to get to where they are? It WOULD make a great movie! Maybe the Weinstein brothers? They took on F911 when no one else would touch it. :shrug:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:58 AM
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51. Into my second day
of reading the article.........

A little bit disturbed in that there are a lot of apparent connections without actual, direct links...none (or at least little of it) would hold up in a court of law........

Fascinating indeed, but I have doubts that it will lead to anything of any consequence......
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:02 PM
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52. Did I hears someone say "Ralph Reed"?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:26 PM
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54. Wow
Great resource.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:36 PM
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55. kick
nt
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