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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:51 PM
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They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
My LTTE about reality TV and the lows we're approaching in Bush's America. What do you think? Any suggestions?

The Editor,
Metrowest Daily News

February 13, 2005


They Shoot Horses Don’t They?

For those too young to remember the 1969 movie starring Jane Fonda and Gig Young, let alone the Dance Marathons of the 30s, allow me to draw some comparisons to present times.

Reality TV shows routinely put people in competition for money or a prime job opportunity, by undergoing macabre “Fear” challenges, (Fear factor), survival strategies (The Survivor), or using business skills to win against another team, (The Apprentice , The Rebel Billionaire). While I have little problem with how much people are willing to humiliate themselves, or show themselves in the worst light possible, all in the name of ratings and hopefully winning, I am disturbed in the extreme by two of the latest ideas for reality shows.

The first is “The Contender” on NBC which pits various family men against each other in a boxing competition, the other is one slated to begin on ABC called the “Miracle Workers”, which consists of a team of doctors combing the country for people who are desperate for medical care for which they are uninsured or cannot afford.

Are we so desperate for entertainment that we would willingly watch men batter each other senseless in the desperate hope of gaining money for their families?

And are we so hardened as a nation that people in desperate need for medical care have to become sources of entertainment to the rest of us to get the care they need? How the rest of the civilized world must look at us in wonder and despair. The most powerful nation on the earth prefers bread and circuses to fixing the problems of poverty and health care for all.

So back to the Dance Marathons.

In the 1930s, before the New Deal of FDR, the untrammeled stock market governed the economy, and when the stock market collapsed in 1929, people in their millions were thrown out of work, farmers were thrown off their land, and President Hoover had no answer than to let the markets and the people find their own way out of the mess. People were reduced to begging on the streets, joining soup lines, whatever they could do to survive, and some unscrupulous “entrepreneurs” saw an opportunity. Have people take part in dance marathons where they would dance (or shuffle) around a dance floor for as long as it took for one couple to remain standing and become the winners. Other people paid for the “entertainment” of watching these exhausted human beings drag each other around. They had to dance constantly with a break of 15 minutes every hour for, for toilet breaks, naps, food, whatever, as long as one person could keep the other upright and moving for the other 45 minutes. Some people slept as they were moved around the dance floor. As an added refinement, and to prevent boredom in the spectators, every hour for a few minutes, the tempo of the music was dramatically increased and the contenders had to dance to the tempo or even run around the floor otherwise they were eliminated. No doubt this was a hoot for the spectators, after a week it must have been torture for the contenders, and remember, the longest dance marathon lasted 5,154 hours and 48 minutes for the grand prize of $2000.

Dance marathons were eventually banned, by the Blue Laws, of all things.

We now have a president hell bent on undoing all the social safety nets such as Medicaid, emergency health care for children, VA health benefits and Social Security, and who recently lauded as “uniquely American” a woman working three jobs to support her children, one of whom is mentally retarded.

I suppose he’d applaud Dance Marathons as uniquely American too.


Yours truly,





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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:56 PM
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1. Nominated For Front Page. REALLY Thought Provoking
I had only heard about Dance Marathons from a Waltons episode where John Boy enters one with a young woman who desperately wanted to get out of town.

Very thought provoking.
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Mockingbird Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:58 PM
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2. Yowza! Yowza! Yowza!
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:05 PM by Mockingbird
I DO recall that film & have wondered about the parallel.
It is a dark film, but one which should be seen by teenagers as insight.

Good post. Its a little elaborate in the description, but evocative, which makes it all hang together.

Works for me. I am jealous.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:00 PM
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3. Instead of dance marathons, we now have cruelty TV,
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:00 PM by Warpy
better known as "reality based programming." The basis for every one of these shows is cruelty, of the producers to the contestants and of the contestants to each other.

One of these days, some poor desperate bastard is going to get killed on one of these horrible shows, and that is probably the only thing that will end them.

The degradation of the culture isn't measured by whether or not we see gay men kissing or whether or not somebody says "shit" when they have a mouthful of it. It's measured in the amount of cruelty that parades in front of us as entertainment.

I am seriously worried for this country. It is getting sicker every day.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:01 PM
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4. I think this is great thread day.
Thank you for posting such an interesting look back to the Depression days. I had forgotten about the Dance marathons. Amazing and heartbreaking really.

I was not born but both my father and mother lived through it. It was the depression and the war that forever influenced my fathers' actions and direction certainly with regards to money and education.

We may revisit such a time again. I hope not.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:02 PM
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5. I remember watching a Documentary on this
people would dance themselves into the hospital
with exhaustion for the chance of winning .

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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:06 PM
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6. As a member of the Actors Unions (AEA, SAG) I am concerned that...
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:08 PM by demodonkey

the so-called "reality" shows are just being touted so that Producers can get crap on the air and sell airtime around it without having to pay fair salaries to real professionals.

The same with the animated stuff we have now. It used to be that "cartoons" looked like cartoons, but some of "animated" and CGI stuff can more or less create REAL people on screen, thus putting actors out of work, especially "bit" actors and background people. Why pay a live person a salary when you can just whip a body up on a computer?

Also there is a lot of runaway production to "right to work" states, Canada (where union scales are lower), and other non-union counties.

How can you help? Buy American and buy union when you buy entertainment. For example, if you are planning a trip to see live theatre, please consider going to NYC and see the "real" Broadway. Yes it will cost you more to go to Broadway as opposed to seeing a non-union touring company in a right to work state, but you will be helping in the fight for economic justice and fairer wages for everybody.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:10 PM
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7. Excellent read! Nominated for greatest page. n/t
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GoCubsGo05 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:14 PM
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8. Reality TV....
...is increasingly looking like TV as portrayed in the Running Man. Sick and sadistic. How can people watch this tripe? There is nothing real about it. What people will do for the almighty dollar is disturbing.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:23 PM
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9. I love thoughts like this. I will print the thing and ponder!!
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:31 PM
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10. Wow!! I hadn't thought of this movie in ages and certainly had not
related 'reality' TV shows to those Dance Marathons. Excellent comparison.
A great letter,,,, only thing is, any writing or speech that mentions Jane Fonda (without calling her nasty names) immediately turns off 'the brainwashed'.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:37 PM
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11. Excellent parallel. That movie troubled me for a long time.
The parallels you draw to such sadistic exhibitions, is apt. As well as the implications of our current misleadership.

Kudos.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:59 PM
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12. wow this is good!
i wonder if they will publish it. :hi:
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 05:09 PM
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13. Hi, Jonny!
Let's see if they do - I'll certainly let DU know if so! :hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 05:29 PM
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14. Specific list of what is being cut
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:38 PM
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15. Great letter...
...but I'm not sure where "They Shoot Horses Don't They?" fits into the letter. I didn't see the movie so that may be the problem, but probably other readers haven't seen it either. Otherwise it's a very powerful letter.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:43 PM
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16. Awesome!
I could not have said it better!:hippie:
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 08:00 PM
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17. The magic christian
Was a movie long ago and ringo starr and I think jane Fonda were in it , and there was a scene where people had to wade through shit to get dollar bills, this reality TV shit feels alot like that and yes the running man movie, yes I think we as a nation are pretty much in a really ugly place, sad thing is is that most people are'nt aware how ugly it is.......:shrug:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 08:24 PM
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18. Beyond a LTTE...this is op-ed!
LTTE are usually 250 words or less. If I were you I would contact the editorial page editor and request it be printed as an op ed.

Have you ever considered writing regularly in this capacity?

(p.s. We are neighbors, hope you live in my town, there is an opportunity for an opinion writer in our local paper).
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:18 AM
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19. Great post.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:04 PM
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20. Yes I saw the movie - there have been times when I have said
that statement - They shoot horses don't they - when things have seemed their worse

The person lost and wanted someone to shoot her - to put her out of her misery -

It was a very poignant film

Not unlike Seabiscuit which is also that time period and now time period
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