There is talk of Cheney resigning and Condi taking over

[thereismore]

the VP on this board (sorry, don't have the link). I think it is a very real possibility. Think about it: Cheney just can't wait to get back into the "industry" to make more billions off of this war (can you imagine how bitter he must be, knowing that every day of presidenting robs him of millions he could be making while the deal is hot?). The shrub, on the other hand, could have perfectly secret meetings with the new VP, plus, it would put her in a perfect spot of "incumbency" of sort for 2008. I really think they are going to run her in 08 from the VP spot. All criticism of her could be labeled "racism", oh joy. Dems are racists, they don't like sister Condi! The repugs would of course get their registered voters to vote for her, even though some of them are racists, but what's the alternative? An independent environmentalist? Nah. Plus, they would no doubt tap into those 90% of black voters who don't normally vote red. This defection alone will put them over the hump. It's a win win scenario. Repugs stay in power in 08.

UNLESS.

Unless the dems run a one-term senator Obama against her. I do not see it any other way. The only way to deflect the racism charge against dems is to run Obama. These are my predictions for 2008.

[Fovea]

1. OR

We start a daily beat down for being a lying, incompetent shill for Unocal.

[barbaraann]

2. Only racists see the color of someone's skin.

When I look at Condi, I do NOT see a black person.

[thereismore]

5. No, you see a color of someone's skin unless there is something

wrong with your vision. We all see it. I know what you meant: that the color of skin matters nothing to you, and that's good. But the electorate is not made out of clones of you. The repugs will flash the race card as soon as the dems start criticizing her, that's just to be expected. There is no way around it. They will do it. So what options does that leave us?

[barbaraann]

16. Well, let's see....options....

I guess I would find out what social world she lives in. Does she live in a black social world or an elite white social world. If she lives in an elite white social world, then the color of her skin is totally irrelevant.

Racism is a principle of social ordering and it's the social ordering that matters, not the skin color. And, also, she seems to live purely in a world of men so her gender is irrelevant, too.

Has she abstained from sex her entire life?

[Jon8503]

3. Yeah but Obama is black.

[MNAZ]

43. Why is he black?

His mother is white I believe. Am I right? Does one get to choose their race if their from a mixed marriage. Why did he choose black. He's as much white as black.

[mzmolly]

4. Why is it racist not to vote for a black Republican? I'm a DEMOCRAT

because I embrace DEMOCRATIC ideals. Also most black people have publically renounced Ms. Rice, so your assertion that black people don't have a brain and will vote for her because she's black is insulting.

And why are you referring to Obama as "one-term?"

By the way, Cheney IS currently making MILLIONS OFF THE WAR via Haliburton/stock/retirement/dividends.

Democratic ideals are more important to me than electing X just for the sake of electing an X.

[thereismore]

9. I must defend myself here

I just said they would tap into the 90% of black voters who don't normally vote republicans, that means that only some of them would vote for Condi, and I think that is realistic to expect. Sad as it may be, don't you think that's true? I know well that many black people don't like her lying for the pres. My black neighbor who has a son in Iraq told me the same thing. So, I am not generalizing this to all black people by any means. But a fraction of them will get fooled. It's in human nature.

[mzmolly]

14. I don't think your right about that. However, if anything it would be a

wash because the neo-nazi's that love Republicans so much would stay home.

[XemaSab]

32. If 90% of all black people

vote for her, that's still about 10% of the country.

Hate to say it, but I think that 10% is easily offset by the numbers of people who would never vote for a black person or a woman in a million years. They may not even be overtly sexist or racist, but it still just wouldn't happen.

Example: many Fundies don't believe women should be in leadership roles. I also don't think she could pass herself off as a Fundie. Therefore, the Fundie vote would stay home.

Also, many people would be convinced that a woman could not be strong on national security, no matter how much foreign policy experience she has.

And the kicker is that these covert sexists and racists often vote republican.

[alwynsw]

18. Think a moment before you type

And why are you referring to Obama as "one-term?"

We're talking about the 2008 race here. Obama will be in his first term for 4 years when the next presidential election occurs.

Can't compress time and have him serve any longer before the election.

[thereismore]

29. Yes, that's just what I meant. Come 2008, Obama will have been

in the Senate for less than 1 term. That's all I meant, nothing more.

[Tess49]

6. If the vice-pres steps down, the Pres doe not get to choose his

replacement. It goes to the person next in line.

[justy387]

8. You are wrong.

Under the constitution, the president nominates a VP. (Like Nixon did with Ford, and Ford did with Rockefeller.)

The nominee needs to get majority support in the house and senate.

[Tess49]

11. I stand corrected. Just looked it up.

[shawcomm]

13. That's presidential succession

If the veep goes, the president chooses whomever he wants - to be confirmed by Congress.

It doesn't matter, even if it were succession, it'd be Bill Frist as veep with Condi at State. Then you might possibly have Frist running with Condi as VP candidate.

That still would suck.

[flaminbats]

28. Democrats should make this into a central issue campaign issue..

Why can someone with so much power not be elected? I would have no problem with a Vice President Condi Rice, if I had the chance to vote against her!

The President, Vice President, and the VP's successor should either be elected by popular vote or not in power. If Bush wanted Condi to be Vice President, he should have put her on the Republican ticket in 2004. Republicans would have never allowed Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter to appoint replacements for resigning Vice Presidents, and neither must we!

[shawcomm]

38. I don't know, I think it's okay the way it is.

Congress has to vet them. That sucks with a repub congress, but considering the vp will be next in succession, it should be someone the president trusts not to kill him to take the presidency.

If it is someone running for the vp slot, they're evidently ambitious about getting into power. Being that ambitious and not necessarily having any loyalty to the sitting president could cause some real problem. While throwing a monkey wrench into this administration would be good, it potentially could happen to us when we take back the White House.

[XemaSab]

33. meow

n/t

[shawcomm]

39. haha... I didn't mean to sound so catty. ;-)

Sorry everyone. :+

I was just thinking out loud that we're screwed either way.

[XemaSab]

42. Oh, I wasn't implying you were catty at all

Sorry if I gave that impression.

I just feel like DU'ers shouldn't forget that Frist is a cat torturer, and is therefore completely unelectable.

:+

[justy387]

7. If they run Condi,

Our only hope is to run Obama.

We cannot win without massive black support. The African Americans put us over the top in many states. Too many blacks and women would cross over to support Condi. We would need Barack as our nominee and a popular woman as the VP nominee.

Then again, I don't think Condi would survive the primary. She is mildly pro-choice.

[thereismore]

10. Haha! Mildly pro-choice. LOL

[LdyGuique]

12. One doesn't vote on a VP choice during the primaries

and someone who might be tagged for the "Incumbant VP" doesn't need to run for President, either

[Sparkly]

21. The VP doesn't have to run, no.

But I've said for a long time that I think Cheney will resign, and they'll appoint the person they want for 2008.

Could be Condi, but I don't know.

[yellowcanine]

22. I would think the lesbian part would be more of a problem for pubs.

[Ivan Sputnik]

15. If they say any criticism of her is "racist"

then our criticism of her will have to be led by black Dems.

[robbedvoter]

17. One incompetent thief replacing another - an I am supposed to care?

[Obviousman]

19. Rove would work for her

My guess is the next VP will either be Condi or Santorum, they are the only two who are nutty enough to be the rightful heir to Bush's throne. And I know Rove would work with either of them, but knowing what his strategy is, I'm sure he would prefer Condi.

[applegrove]

20. I don't think Rice is stupid enough to work for Rove. n/t

[Disturbed]

23. Of course she is not stupid but ..

she is incompetent and an oil shill. The electorate by and large are not astute but are they totally dense?

The most iomportant thing is to get control of the House by reps that actuully fight for the Middle Class, the Working Poor and the Poor. It would be great to also gain a Dem majority in the Senate. Without that the RW has control of the Govt. Speculating upon '08 may be fun but so much can change between now till then that it is like crystal ball gazing. 2006 Elections are crucial.

[erpowers]

24. Do Not Think it Will Happen

I do not think Condi will be the VP. There are two reasons for this. First, Cheney is getting rich off the war right now. He is getting payments from Halliburton now. Second, I do not think Cond can win in an election. I do not think black people will vote for her. In addition, white Republicans in the South will not vote for her. I contend that her only chance of winning would be to run against Hillary Clinton and even then I am not sure white Republicans in the South will vote for her. I would not be surprised if they voted for Hillary Clinton just because Condi is running on the Republican ticket. I contend that if Condi ran in 2008 all the Democrats would have to do is to run a white male against her and then the white Republicans would vote against her. The racism issue might even work agaisnt the Republican and Condi in that white Republicans in the South may side with the Democrats due to the talk of racism. In conclusion, I do not think Condi can win in 2008.

[joanski01]

25. I agree. I just finishing watching the

Tavis Smiley Black Forum stuff on C-Span (all day). From what I saw and heard, the African Americans will NOT vote for her. It was a really, really good event. John Conyers, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Ferrikaan, Susanne Malvaoux, and lots of Reverends, health care people, doctors, President of AARP, etc. Repeats at 8:00 tonight.

[XemaSab]

34. But

where is the Democratic party going to find a white male? :eyes:

[ChiciB1]

26. I've Thought For A Very Long Time Now

that Cheney would leave office. I thought it BEFORE the election.

But has anyone been watching Tavis Smiley and his Black Forum today??? Other than L. Farrahkan (sp.?) stating very emphatically that the Democrats are NOT the Party of the blacks, most of the speakers have been rather harsh regarding Rice. I will admit I haven't been able to watch a lot of it, but the part that I have watched leads me to think that they tend to look upon Rice as some one who sold out. AND, to my GREAT surprise, I heard some rather negative thoughts about Powell. Now here's a man who has many tales to tell, but I've lost so much respect for him because he stayed on the ranch!!! As a Democrat I once felt he was pretty decent, but not anymore.

I know there blacks who are ANGRY with the Democrats, but I don't blame them... the Democrats haven't been standing up for whites much lately either! And I'm white. We simply have to keep blogging and blogging and MAYBE they will sit up and listen.

Hey, Dean is our DNC leader now, and who would have bet the farm on that??? Because we here at DU and other sites like this, I feel we have made some real progress. Let's just keep the pressure on!

But Cheney will go!

Oh and if you get a chance to watch this event when C-Span runs it again, do take the opportunity to do so. I was so impressed, even though some of what I heard didn't make my little heart go pitter-patter. Democrats has better start listening to the likes of Conyers et al!

[Ice4Clark]

27. I think Frist will be the replacement, setting him up for a run in 08

[XemaSab]

35. meow

n/t

[etherealtruth]

36. It makes me ill but I think you are right.

[n2mark]

30. Condi

This is the pukes game plan. They are not only choosing one minority, they are choosing two, a black and a woman. Their theme will be Dems are against blacks and women. They tried the black vote during the Condi thing, they are really working to get the minority vote, than the religious vote. If Hilary runs, she is white and has money and her husband has the sex scandals. Guess who will win? The pukes will say the Dems are for the rich white people.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

31. The GOP is *not* nominating Condi for 2008, period.

I have some Republican friends who would defect in a heartbeat to a third party if she were the nominee, and they say that's pretty much the mood overall throughout the Repub party. Condi has multiple major strikes against her-- she has supported affirmative action both at Stanford and in her years after that, which is absolutely anathema in the Republican party. AA is an especially serious issue for younger Republicans and right-leaning independents under 30, and the Repubs would pretty much have to write off that entire section of the vote-- they'd stay home. Maybe even more problematic, Condoleezza Rice is avowedly pro-choice-- that's absolutely unacceptable to the Republican base, and the GOP's entire solid South and Midwest would shun the Republican Party, and possibly vote for a 3rd Party candidate.

Condi also has absolutely no electoral experience whatsoever-- a very severe problem for a potential candidate. Only Dwight D. Eisenhower has had national electoral success w/o having had prior electoral experience on a smaller scale, but he had been the leader of the Allied forces in the largest war of the 20th century! On top of this, Condi is very closely identified with Iraq. While Rove and the other GOP operatives would no doubt like this to be an asset, they're realists (unlike the neocons) and know in their heart of hearts that Iraq is probably going to be an absolute mess and bitterly regretted in 2008-- which means they'll need someone less closely linked to Iraq. As if these weren't enough problems, Condi is, frankly, an utterly awful public speaker.

Those who jump on this "nominate Condi for '08" trend-- from both sides are the aisle-- are stuck in superficial thinking and a failure to really analyze her critically as a candidate. Demographics pale compared to platforms, ideas, and performance in public speaking once a campaign really gets underway. The vote for a President is too sober a choice for most people to let that be so much of a factor. Besides, the Republicans can get that "demographic bounce" you're thinking of w/o having Condi as their nominee. If they just promise to keep her in some exalted Cabinet position in, say, a Frist Presidency after 2008, they'll continue to benefit (such as they're able) from African-American voters who may trickle to their side in the polls. Most likely IMHO would be Frist as the nominee, McCain as running mate, and Condi as a chief of staff or some other position of high respect.

[thereismore]

37. You are making sense. I am much happier now. Thanx n/t

[KoKo]

40. I hope we don't get into deciding candidates on "race or gender."

Qualifications should be first. If Condi runs as VP then fine. By 2008 her name will be so tarnished it won't matter...she won't get a job as "dog catcher" in a small town in Nebraska. I'm not thinking about pushing Obama forward just because of Condi threat. Let he spend time in the Senate and earn his stripes to run. It's too soon for him, just like it was for John Edwards who was a one term Senator... My 2 cents.

[Up2Late]

41. I think you are RIGHT! And I have an Article to Prove it!

(I'm Thinking of starting a New thread with this article, You think it would get locked or combined with this one if I did?):shrug:

ELECTION 2008
Condi to replace Cheney next year?
Report: Vice president likely to step down 'due to his health'
Posted: February 19, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Vice President Dick Cheney likely will step down next year due to health reasons and be replaced by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, according to a report by geopolitical expert Jack Wheeler.

On his website, To the Point, Wheeler reports there's a "red-breasted rumor bird" flying around Capitol Hill that has whispered the same thing to most congressional committee chairmen.

"We all know that Dick Cheney has been the best vice president of modern times, :puke:perhaps in American history," one such chairman told Wheeler. "And we know that he absolutely will not run for president in 2008. Further, he has an unfortunate history of heart trouble. So let's just say none of us will be surprised if, sometime next year, he will step down from the vice presidency due to his health."
(more at link)
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