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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:31 PM
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Weekly Standard-- Military strike against Iran is our best option
This is a Weekly Standard article, posted on FreeRepublic, so you know where this one's going.

As might be expected, when all possible approaches to the Iranian nuclear situation are examined, the diplomacy-based responses are ruled out as ineffective. But we don't have to invade. We just need to employ the "military strike" option.

As per the Freeper commentary, we can also support the pissed off Iranian people, who will take to the streets and take down their government. Lots of other scary freep commentary, not pasted here, in the "let's do it now" vein.

That most recent Seymour Hersh article in the New Yorker is looking more and more like the truth.


The Least Bad Iran Option

Jeffrey Bergner, The Weekly Standard:


<snip>

While musing on this cascade of unlikely events, moreover, we might remind ourselves that there is no evidence that the imposition of joint U.S. and European economic sanctions against Iran would cause it to terminate its nuclear weapons program.

Is there no other option short of invasion? There is a "military strike" option, which would consist of a strike against all known and suspected Iranian nuclear weapons development facilities. In the wake of such a strike, the United States would no doubt be condemned for riding roughshod over European and world diplomacy and for taking Iranian lives. A military strike could also alienate a great swath of moderate, and especially younger, Iranians
who are inclined to be friendly toward the United States and in whom we repose hope for the creation one day of a more decent, secular regime in Iran. Moderate Iranians may oppose clerical rule, but they do not necessarily oppose an Iran with nuclear capabilities. Losing the natural affection of these people would be a genuine setback.

A "military strike" option is thus fraught with risk for the United States from friend and foe. It does, though, have one critical difference from the other options examined here: If it were executed properly, it would eliminate or seriously retard Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Jeffrey Bergner is a senior transatlantic fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. The views expressed here are his own.

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Freeper Commentary


DoctorZin: The author provides a clear analysis as far as it goes. But there is a fourth option.

Upon failure of the negotiations the US and Europe adopt a "regime change policy" and begin supporting the Iranian people who are calling for a referendum on their form of government. The people of Iran have been seeking this kind of support for years now and with the recent events in the Ukraine and Lebanon appear to be a real option.

This summer the world will witness the lack of support the regime has inside of Iran. The people of Iran will likely refuse to participate in their so called elections, just as they did in their last elections where only 12% bothered to participate. With united international support the people can take to the streets and bring down this government.

This is exactly what the Iranian people have been pleading for. Will we continue to turn a deaf ear? I think not. In fact, I believe this is exactly the course the President has laid out for Iran, as I have predicted earlier.

I believe it will be a very hot summer in Iran.


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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:41 PM
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1. The editorial arm of PNAC
Literally.

Also owned by Murdoch's Newscorp.

Kristol has been a cheerleader for war in Iraq for years, I have no doubt what they say will happen. The Oval Office is bought and paid for.
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independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:29 AM
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18. Bingo!...n/m
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:29 AM
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21. Yes, the neocon house organ. The same tome that gets constant
leaks (true or not) for Doug Feith, Wolfowitz' number one boy..........
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:41 PM
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Onward Christian Sol-ol-ol - gerrs. Marr-ching on to Irannnnnn!
Sure, the Iranian people want to take down their own government and return it to the Shah (Bush-Shah).
SURE, they do!?!?!
If you dont believe this just ask those students who in 1979 spent thousands of hours restoring shredded US Embassy documents.
Sure, draft our young kids for the "Iranian Cakewalk" - our kids who have had the caskets coming back from Iraq hidden from them.
Sure!
You Freepers are a bunch of unbelievingly-stupid people!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:41 PM
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2. Problem is...
...the nuclear program is WIDELY supported in Iran, even among the reformers. Strike and it'll be jihad forever.
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independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:31 AM
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19. "Strike and it'll be jihad forever." Now you are getting it.
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 08:32 AM by independentchristian
That's what the GOP wants. That's what these fascists want. As long as there is constant fear, it's easier for them to remain in power.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:41 PM
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3. Hey, we're broke and don't have the troops either
Remember when Bush downed Clinton for trying to be the world's policeman?

Bush is already hurting Americans standard of living and he's gotten almost 1,500 of our troops killed in Iraq www.icasualties.org

We also have hundreds of amputees. Bush was NOT elected to be president of the planet.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:51 PM
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4. Iran most likely WILL retaliate
and there are plenty of US military targets surrounding Iran from the Caspian sea area to Iraq that they can easily hit with the conventional weaponry they have. This is not to mention, of course, the foreign sell off of US treasuries that I bet will ensue following such an idiotic decision which will choke off our economy in a avalanche fashion. Bin Laden will have gotten his wish.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:11 PM
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5. They know Europe will make a deal with Iran. They just have to look
like they are helping by playing 'bad cop'. That way they can whisper it to their followers. Any good that happens on the planet they are responsible for ... just as when anything goes wrong it is because of Liberals or Clinton.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:18 PM
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6. What kind of deal?
I'm a little unclear unless everyone is sure Iran is pursuing the nuclear weapon option. I personally thought all this action is to help Israel's security OR about petrodollars vs. eurodollars (which the US doesn't want regarding a new euro based oil marker which Iran proposed).
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:04 AM
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8. I read in Dwyers book that Iran is dependant on lamb from Australia
or New Zealand. 70 Million people eat that stuff. Ship after ship arrives and feeds the Iranians. They are not Islamists in that they are not culturally Arabs so they are not so connected to that Islamist movement. Iran is very dependant on the world. If you stopped those shiploads of lamb people would go nuts in no time. If they have a bomb, they will get a great deal for not finishing it. Or something. I just do not believe that USA has a hope in hell of raising a big enough army to invade. So - yes it is just smoke.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:35 AM
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7. Yeah, right
Losing the natural affection of these people would be a genuine setback.

This is his argument against a limited military strike? As opposed to invasion, which would assure that Iranians love us forever.

Good Lord!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:14 AM
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10. Bush Junta is INSANE!
If they attack Iran, Syria will jump in. What will China and Russia that have many deals with both of those countries do? Iran has some military muscle and they will use it. Amerika will not be able to sustain a four front war. btw Afghanistan will be problematic again, soon.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:11 AM
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9. What part of stuuuupid do the neos not get?
1. Iranian people want to be left alone. I have lived in Iran. Nice people, who just want us the hell out of their politics. Will not receive us with flowers and candy. see #2.

2. Boots on ground bad. High elevation desert. Pissed off natives all will try to shoot soldiers. Will hit targets often. Large population under 25.

3. Bombing bad. They do have functioning air force. They are also rumored to have Sunburn missiles. Sunburns can hit ships/ carriers in Persian gulf. Bye-bye carriers, bye-bye sailors.

4. Overthrow government- not. Gvmt may be hated, but invaders hated more. See Persian history.

5. History. Lots. Ancient, ~2500 years worth. Think we are mere upstarts, and stupid, to boot.

6. Whole idea bad. US leaders hallucinating again. On bad drugs. Bad boys (and girl), no treats.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:08 AM
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14. Invasion is a bad idea on many fronts
But the Iranian Air Force wouldn't last a week.

Iran does, however, have mobile launchers for its medium-range missiles that are capable of hitting Israel, Turkey, Egypt, etc. We wouldn't be able to take those out quickly.

Invasion is also stupid in Iran for the very same reason it has been a disaster in Iraq -- there would be an insurgency that we would be unable to control. We'd be in two quagmires instead of just one.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:47 AM
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17. Flashback: Hey, we're doing so well in Viet Nam
Let's invade Cambodia too!!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:18 AM
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11. and i know the freeps are just WAITING to sign up for it, too
this line gets old, but it bears repeating
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:00 AM
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12. I think the military should strike over an Iran invasion
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 02:00 AM by jpgray
Finding scabs in any numbers would be difficult, I imagine. :D
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:12 AM
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15. LOL, that's one military strike I could support....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:04 AM
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13. They know his plan?
LOL. Yeah, right. Have they checked out PNAC? :silly:
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:18 AM
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16. I do not support pre-emptive strikes. PERIOD
I truly do not understand this change in American thinking. It follows none of the logic or philosphy that I've been taught over a lifetime. I can't believe that anyone buys into the idea of freely bombing any other country on trumped up excuses and then expects us not to be fiercely hated. We are proving Al Queda's claims and justifying their existence and future growth. Karma is gonna be a major Bitch.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:08 AM
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20. I am positive that if we bomb their country they will throw flowers at us
They will be sooo happy to be "Liberated" that they will buy all the flowers in the world and throw them at our soldiers. Have these guys(Republicans) ever been right about anything? "Clinton's budget will destroy the US economy" It actually created the largest economic expansion in US history. Republicans now have the power so they will show us how to really manage the economy. Passed Bush*'s budget and the US had the greatest economic turn-around in history. Said the US was in imminent danger of being attacked by Iraq with Nukes. They don't have any and never did have any...all LIES The Iraqi people will be throwing flowers at our soldiers. LIES.... What have they ever said that was correct?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:39 AM
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22. MY GOD! Pornography can be posted on DU???
America's Chief Pornographer: William Kristol, a sniveling, repulsive, cloying little failure who gets kicks out of seeing people killed.
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