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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:21 PM
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White House LYING as an offical policy
White House Lies: A History
WASHINGTON, Feb. 27, 2005

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Two things distinguish Bush from his predecessors on the subject of lying.
First, Bush's grandest lies have not been about covering up what has
already happened but about persuading the public to go along with what he
has decided to do but has yet to implement. Tax cuts, Iraq, now Social
Security -- each major policy move has been accompanied by a campaign of
deception. Lying is not a defensive reaction to a crisis but a carefully
crafted strategy. Second, and perhaps most troubling, is that Bush seems
unconcerned about getting caught. Indeed, the administration's
damn-the-torpedoes fearlessness is the source of much of its political
success. That it would actually hire, along with a series of other
Iran-Contra figures, a perjurer like Elliot Abrams -- who has recently
been promoted to deputy national-security adviser in charge of democracy
promotion, of all things -- is testimony to its utter audacity. Go ahead,
these officials seem to be saying, call us a bunch of liars -- we really
don't care.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/25/opinion/main676613.shtml
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:25 PM
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1. The problem is that few in the media dare to call this spade
a spade. It's the MSM that is their greatest enablers (of course, it doesn't hurt that few in the opposition dare to question them either).
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:25 PM
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2. The great masses of the people
will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

- Adolf Hitler
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:26 PM
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3. Why SHOULD they care?
They've perfected election theft. The dems aren't even bothering whistling past the graveyard, they're pretending the problem doesn't exist.

Gyre
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:53 PM
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8. What do you expect
when both candidates for president use the same company to help run their campaigns?

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:27 PM
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4. a huge duh........
who doesnt know this and havent known this for years now
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:32 PM
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6. I would take issue with this claim as well-
"Bush's grandest lies have not been about covering up what has
already happened"

Err, I can think on one BIG lie they are covering up that has already happened....and its pretty 'grand'.


Yes, our reps are either in denial or complicit. If they're still in denial, they're fucking RETARDED...so it must be complicity by default.
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LeaderlessResistance Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:28 PM
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5. No Change In US Torture Policy
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 06:43 PM by LeaderlessResistance
The United States has failed to change its policies meaningfully on the treatment of prisoners, opening the door to repeats of abuses like those at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and making an independent probe into torture by the US military essential, says a leading human-rights group.

London-based Amnesty International (AI) stressed that without such an investigation and the clear, unequivocal rejection by US officials of torture and ill-treatment of prisoners, "the conditions remain for further abuses to occur".

Policies that facilitate torture remain in place, and prisoners continue to be held in secret detention," said William Schulz, executive director of the US section of Amnesty (AIUSA).

Responsible individuals are beyond the scope of investigation.


Full story:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ29Ak02.html



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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:50 PM
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7. They're pathological...
It was a lie that this administration was elected to office, and it's been nothing but a panacea of lies since then. It's pretty sad when you can't believe anything your government tells you. And Bush had the gall to lecture Putin about "Democracy." Talk about people in glass houses...
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