CoffeeCat
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 03:56 AM
Original message |
If there is another terrorist attack, what kind of attack will it be? |
|
I had a discussion with several friends this weekend about the strict airport security we've recently encountered. We all agreed that planes flying into buildings would most likely never happen again.
I was wondering if others agree with that assessment?
Also, if there is another terrorist attack, what kind of terrorist attack will it be?
I don't know why--but I've been more worried than usual about something happening. I don't sit around obsessing about terrorism, but for some reason, I've been a bit more concerned about an attack.
|
Dookus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 03:59 AM
Response to Original message |
|
it will likely be a large bomb or biological weapon on a container ship.
A great book on the subject of just how lawless and unregulated ocean-going ships are, check out "The Outlaw Sea" by William Langewiesche.
It would be incredibly easy to destroy a port city.
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:30 AM
Response to Reply #1 |
6. I Being A Longshoreman |
|
And therefore in the container shipping industry, don't believe that it would be any kind of improvised wmd on a container ship. That's just a little too disruptive of their global economic agendas; the corporate masters wouldn't like, and therefore, wouldn't go along with that.
|
Dookus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #6 |
7. how was destroying the WTC |
|
NOT an attack on somebody's "corporate masters"?
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
|
Did the WTC attack come anywhere close to disrupting the economy as the 10day lock-out did when we Longshoreman on the West Cost were locked out for those 10days?
The answer is NO not even close. The WTC is entirely a whole different ball-game than attacking a container shipping port..
|
Dookus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:52 AM
Response to Reply #9 |
|
to be honest, neither one had any real effect on me.
So your position is that the "corporate masters" approved destroying the WTC, but a port attack would be too much for them to rubber-stamp?
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #10 |
13. Just a little snippet |
|
http://starbulletin.com/2002/11/24/news/story1.htmlThe ports handle more than $300 billion in trade each year. Some economists estimated that the U.S. economy lost $1 billion each day as cargo piled up at the docks and ships waited at anchor offshore. Some factories shut down for lack of supplies.
|
Dookus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #13 |
|
you believe that the corporate masters would approve destroying the WTC but not a port?
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #14 |
|
Trade does not stop because you destroy some offices. But trade stops when you cannot ship or receive goods..
|
Ian David
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #9 |
22. The WTC attack may very possibly destroy our country |
|
Look at what it has allowed GWB to make us do?
We're bankrupt and more divided than we ever have been since Lincoln.
|
Dancing_Dave
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
11. Actually, the WTC was a money-losing property of the Port Authority |
|
Of New York and New Jersey. Guys like Paul Gargano and Larry Silverstein were happy when the Bush Gang gave them an opportunity to cash it in for a few billion in insurance money. They couldn't just frankly demolish this long time money-losing structure because it would cause to much of an obvious environmental and public health hazard in NYC...as indeed we have seen happen after they demolished it more covertly!
The kind of terrorist attack we will see next, is exactly the kind that best serves the interest of Dick Cheney and his buddies.
|
Dookus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #11 |
|
was but a small part of the destruction. What about the disruption to all the companies with offices there?
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:11 AM
Response to Reply #12 |
|
In my opinion can easily be moved. Ports on the other hand cannot.
And being in the industry I can without any hesitation tell you, that diverting ships to other ports is not a reasonable option because all the ports are already busting at their capacity seems. We are having to "create" new land out in the middle of the harbor to get more real-estate to try and accommodate this explosion of containers we having to deal with.
|
Ian David
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #11 |
24. You're assuming they still have control of the terrorist apparatus |
|
I'm not 100% convinced they directly coordinated the 9-11 attacks, but I'm certain they at least knew it was coming and deliberately allowed it to happen.
In any case, I'm sure they do not now have control over the current terrorist networks-- if they ever did. I don't think ANYONE-- not even Osama bin Laden-- can call all the shots anymore.
Bush has seen to it that Al Queda is no longer an organization, but is now a political movement.
No one individual or group controls Al Queda any more than a single individual group controls environmental activism.
And as for those who are still within the control of Osama, I think he hates Bush as much as any of us do. Bush and the Republicans would be Osama's target.
Some people have translated his last videotape to mean that he will attack "the red states." He said something like, "I will attack those states that support George W. Bush." Some have translated that as countries, some have translated that as literally meaning "states" within America.
I would expect that something like an attack on Bush's Crawford Pig Farm in Texas would be their next target-- while Bush is present. Perhaps Tony Blair would be there too. I suppose there would be very little collateral damage.
Otherwise, I would expect to see a chemical or biological attack on a major city (most likely in a red state) or a nuclear attack against Israel or US forces abroad.
|
tinanator
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:04 AM
Response to Original message |
2. banking, data or biological |
|
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 04:04 AM by tinanator
take your pick I think the options are a lot wider than that, but it really just depends on what the Bushcorp familia decides when the time comes.
|
Spinzonner
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:07 AM
Response to Original message |
3. I don't think that the BFEE has decided yet |
|
Keeping their options open
|
Behind the Aegis
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:09 AM
Response to Original message |
|
I believe it will be a series of small events in a variety of locales. Imagine the horror the US public would feel if they were struck like Israel by a series of small attacks on "hang-out" spots or shopping malls?! At this point, there is so much fear in this country, I think anything will set off a wave of terror here. It will be used for the "draft."
|
Ian David
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #4 |
25. Remember the DC Sniper? Small random attacks can terrorize large areas |
|
Imagine a series of random sniping attacks around the country. Gas stations, school yards, athletic fields, office parking lots, dance clubs, people sitting in their cars stuck in traffic... any place where people are out in the open with easy escape routes for a shooter.
Add "media hysteria" to that, and you have a national crisis on a terrorist budget of $100/day.
Terrorism doesn't require big-budget catastrophes in order to terrorize.
Ten snipers plus ten bullets per day is all they need.
If something like that happened, we're not just talking a military draft. The only way they could try to stop something like that would be through declaring martial law. And I'm afraid that is what they would do.
|
Behind the Aegis
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
|
I always figured it would be something like Wal-Marts; thereby making a statement about American Consumerism. Besides, just about every town has a Wally World nearby! Your comment about 'media hysteria' is dead on! THAT would be the real attack! I would also fear martial law, but the amount of anti-Semitism and anti-Islamic discrimination would reach all new highs!
|
Ian David
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #30 |
32. If they say, "These attacks on America are because you support Israel" |
|
Then the anti-semitism naturally follows.
It's the same message they've been hitting us with for decades.
|
Sapphire Blue
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:21 AM
Response to Original message |
|
An initial attack or series of attacks, possibly ports or chemical facilities, or maybe a deadly virus, followed by disruption of all communications systems. Remember the first responders' communication problems after 9/11?
|
SoCalifer
(652 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:43 AM
Response to Original message |
8. The Writing On The Wall |
|
From the News Media Reports, and the way I read it goes like this:
It will either be a radioactive dirty bomb or a biological weapon of some kind. It will probably cause more damage/pain & suffering than 911 did. And two key points will be that it was snuck into the states from across the southern border, and that it came from a group that is in some way connected to whomever is on Bush-ler's next hit-list.
Reason for why it will likely be portrayed as being snuck across the southern border? To push for the national biometrics ID card/or implant system (to tag us like cattle) and to get us to want it..
|
Sapphire Blue
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #8 |
17. Then Bush will order an invasion of Cuba |
|
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 06:18 AM by Sapphire Blue
Overthrowing Castro has been on the back burner for a long time. Besides, if weapons are smuggled in from Mexico, then there must be a connection to Cuba, since they're both Spanish speaking countries. (Remember bin Laden's ties to Iraq?)
Of course, Bush won't order an invasion of Mexico, cause he needs their slave labor (oops, make that 'guest workers') to further ruin the economy. And he wouldn't want to offend the Torturer General, who is of Mexican ancestry. Instead, he'll order the invasion of Spain once he's begun the destruction of Cuba.... Spain is a Spanish speaking country, too, and pulled out of the 'coalition'. Farfetched? Not in this Orwellian world with architects like Karl & Osama.
|
flordehinojos
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 06:22 AM
Response to Original message |
18. another terrorist attack will not come from the outside. it is already |
|
in progress and happening from the inside--from the dismantling of our social security--to our reduced prescription benefits--to our reduced HMO health benefits--to the dumbing down and browning of America, WE, are already under a terrorist attack. It is happening right here, right now, from the inside and by the bush stiercol and his gang...don't need to go no further. don't need to go outside looking for no terrorists or attackers...he, the man who drapes himself in our flag, who heightens and pushes fear and nationalistic impulses gives a shit about our flag, our nation, or our democracy. HE IS OUR TERRORIST IN CHIEF AND WE ARE UNDER ATTACK BY HIM.
|
ayeshahaqqiqa
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #18 |
Auntie Bush
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
illflem
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 06:36 AM
Response to Original message |
19. An attack on the petroleum infrastructure |
|
would bring America to knees and it wouldn't even have to take place on US soil.
|
mogster
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 07:44 AM
Response to Original message |
21. It will involve the Internet(s) |
|
Just think how the 'opposition' would look without it; fragmented and isolated.
If an attack comes, it'll be targeted to break the idéa of a control function slapped on the Internet and other networks. Guess they feel the heat of the blogosphere post-Gannon, and the need to speed up the process.
The Internet is counter to everything this administration stands for, in that it promotes the free speech and informal organization of the common man.
Does anyone have a backup? ;-)
|
Inland
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 07:57 AM
Response to Original message |
23. The kind Bush will call a complete and utter surprise that |
|
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 07:57 AM by Inland
nobody could have possibly foreseen and if they had any hint that it could happen they would have moved heaven and earth to prevent.
|
Ian David
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #23 |
27. If only they'd had flight numbers and seat numbers |
|
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 08:16 AM by IanDB1
Condi would have seen to it they didn't get a free upgrade to first class.
But at least we can take solace in the fact that they'll never use their frequent-flier miles.
Take THAT, terrarist scum!
|
CoffeeCat
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #23 |
33. If I can add to what you said... |
|
"The kind Bush will call a complete and utter surprise that" nobody could have possibly foreseen and if they had any hint that it could happen they would have moved heaven and earth to prevent" ...AND...the terror attack will be preceded by several PDBs that describe the attacks and cross the desks of several White House officials--who discount them as "historical documents"--and then shape them into little origami kitty cats.
Now watch this drive.
|
Ashamed_American
(141 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:16 AM
Response to Original message |
26. There is always the possibility |
|
of some kind of attack on the water or food supply. www.BlackEyedSundays.com
|
Padraig18
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:17 AM
Response to Original message |
28. Cyber or biological/radiological. |
Nimrod
(999 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 08:27 AM
Response to Original message |
|
It worked great last time - HOW many people bought plastic and duct tape (and ran screaming from powdered sugar and chalk dust)?
So expect another rise of anthrax paranoia for maximum subdual of the masses.
|
leftofthedial
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 10:34 AM
Response to Original message |
31. It will probably be a bombing in Lebanon |
|
or tel Aviv
or maybe in Iraq
that can be blamed on Syria or Iran
and used to justify expansion of the invasion/occupation in Iraq
|
no name no slogan
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 04:56 PM
Response to Original message |
34. Seriously, I doubt we'll ever have a "major attack" in the US again |
|
The fact that that 9/11 happened at all is amazing, quite frankly.
9/11 occurred because of several different factors coming together at just the right time, in just the right way.
Despite the mostly incompetant Dept of the Homeland Security, we have YET to see another large-scale attack since 9/11. Despite the rainbow-colored terra alerts, nothing close to an attack has happened in the US.
This doesn't rule out an attack on US targets overseas-- that's still a possiblity. But the fact that 9/11 came off as big as it did for the terrorists is a complete fluke, IMO.
However, that hasn't stopped the right-wing from capitalizing on America's fear of terra-ists.
Think about it: if Al-Qaeda is so damned powerful and so well-connected, then how could its leader be calling all the shots from a desolate cave in Afghanistan? And if it is, indeed, as global and far-reaching as it supposedly is, why hasn't it committed yet another attack on US soil since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?
Should we fear terrorism? Yes-- but in a sane, rational way. Right now, the Dubya misadministration has us whipped into a terra-hatin' frenzy-- so much so that most people in this country believe it's okay to suspend the constitution if it stops it.
And worse yet, most Democrats are buying into Dubya's "terra-noia", demanding more $$ for weapons, 'better' military (mis)adventures to 'stop' terra-ism, and more spending on useless "feel-good" programs that instill a false sense of security while doing NOTHING to prevent the root causes of terrorism.
Personally, I will NOT support a Democrat who buys into the GOP "war on terra" and demands more useless programs to keep us "safe" while compromising the Constitution. The second we buy into their fear-mongering strategy is the second we lose any hope of ever winning another nationwide election again.
|
LunaC
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:22 PM
Response to Original message |
35. Multiple, simultaneous suicide bombings at Mall of America |
|
Cheap and easy with no major financial outlay or extraordinary coordination.
After 911 the Great Wizard told the nation to go shopping. Where are they going to go if they're afraid of the malls?
The name of the game is to destroy the economy and with the consumers out of the picture, it's a quick spiral down.
Of course, these would be REAL terra-ists and not the WH yanking our chain again.
|
Auntie Bush
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Feb-28-05 05:46 PM
Response to Original message |
36. I personally worry most about car bombs...they are so cheap and |
|
easy to accomplish. If they become numerable and traffic is diminished...it will have devastrating effects on every part of our economy, especially on the tourist industry.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Sat May 04th 2024, 07:12 AM
Response to Original message |