Only As Sick As Their Secrets? Kerry And Skull & Bones.

[K8-EEE]

Wow, I am seriously, seriously bummed out to find out that Kerry is part of that creepy Yale Skull & Bones thing -- just like GWB & Poppy Bush!

They are interviewing Kevin Phillips about the secrets of the Skull & Bones Society right now on Democracy Now.

Creeps me out...big time.

[kwolf68]

1. Snoooze

Dead horse. Dead horse. Dead horse.

[Algorem]

3. They steal horse bones too?Freaky-deaky.

[Raven]

2. Red Herring!

Red Herring, red herring, red herring, red herring.

[Algorem]

4. too?what's the deal?

[blm]

5. Were you creeped out when Kerry exposed Bush1's corruption in BCCI,

IranContra and CIA drugrunning? His 10 year efforts on Kyoto Prtotocol AGAINST the wishes of the corporatists?

Guess we forget what we WANT to forget.

[reprehensor]

8. He did?

I realize that he co-wrote the Senate BCCI report, but the most damaging information in the report was about Kissinger, which was heavily redacted from the published hard copy.

He didn't name Bush specifically, did he? All he could say was, CIA person unknown...or some such.

If you have a link that spells out a different story, I'd like to see it.
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I think S&B is creepy, but Bush is easily the creepiest of the two. Will be supporting Kerry if he takes it all.

[blm]

9. BCCI and IranContra both had references to Bush.

In fact, even Bush2's Harken deal is in the BCCI findings. That's how Hatfield found it.

Bush1 was successful in getting documents classified as national security, but Kerry actively pursued getting them exposed by all accounts.

I'd suggest reading a REAL reporter's take on those events, like Robert Parry at
www.consortiumnews.com

[Old and In the Way]

6. Big difference.

Bush is pure bred S&B...both sides of the family were members. Kerry is 1st generation. One could reasonably assume he is only 14.5% as evil as Bush.

[K8-EEE]

11. I'm Sure He Is MUCH Less Evil

It just bummed me out.

[deutsey]

7. What puzzles me about Skull and Bones and Bush

is that the evangelical rightwingers aren't up in arms about the unambiguously pagan aspects of S&B.

All that backstory about the year 322 and some Greek guy dying and his spirit going to the goddess Eulogia that the author on Democracy Now! discussed should make the rightwing fundies want to burn Bush at the stake. Eulogia is part of the initiation rituals and there's even a shrine to her in S&B, apparently.

Same goes with the Moonie connection to the Washington Times and the Bushes.

You'd think the fundies would be appalled at all this...

[indigo32]

10. leave it alone

I'm thinking that was some time ago really.

[Dr Fate]

12. What's so god-damned "Secret" about it if it's on DU???

If these guys were REALLY in some hocus-pocus society, then why is there SO MUCH "information" about it?

Lets get down to hard core examples- Please, tell us, what are some of the evil things Kerry has done through his S & B connections?

Please provide a non-Christian Identity or William Cooper link to back it up.

Note: I want a DIRECT link to Kerry, S & B, and some "evil" or "secret" event.

[deutsey]

13. I think the poster is making a general comment on S&B

as it's being reported on Democracy Now!.

I don't see where he or she is saying Kerry is doing evil things as a result of being a member, just that what is known about S&B is, in the poster's words, "creepy".

Here is one link about the creepy nature of S&B:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/skull-bones-vid.htm

Rosenbaum's accompanying article in the New York Observer won't come up for some reason (probably for some non-nefarious reason like it's almost four years old).

Here's something from CBS on S&B:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

And Kevin Phillips, former GOP strategist, said this about S&B on Democracy Now!:

KEVIN PHILLIPS: I hate to overdo the secret societies, because the average person has no idea of this. And I went to Harvard Law School and then Harvard has these secret societies, too. But the ones at Yale, I think, if anything, are more influential it's hard to cold turkey reign in and say, my god, Skull and Bones, this is virtually like a diplomatic or international business piracy. You can almost see the pirate flag. But they all took it very serious because admiral Harriman had, instead of going to Harvard and getting involved in The Porks, so to speak, which was the club up at Harvard, he went to Yale and did Skull and Bones. A crowd of people who were involved in operations like National City Bank, and Guaranteed Trust and just a whole lot of people that were major players in finance were Skull and Bones. The crowd that was at W.A. Harriman was full of Skull and Bones people and Prescott Bush was Skull and Bones. A lot of these people who were Skull and Bones wound up in the intelligence services or they were assistant secretaries for aviation in the war department and things like this. It was a whole network.

AMY GOODMAN: But for people who don't know what Skull and Bones is, what you are referring to...

KEVIN PHILLIPS: It's a Yale secret society. And Yale has other secret societies. Another one was called Book and Snake. So, they came up with these names. But these people took secrecy incredibly seriously. Books that have been written about Skull and Bones, they have got a vault at Yale and nobody is supposed to be able to get in there. You cannot even tell your wife about Skull and Bones. Averell Harriman, his wife received a letter that was in hieroglyphics, and she didn't know what to make of this, and Averell Harriman said, well, that's Skull and Bones, and I have got to tell you about that, and he said, oh, no, I cannot tell you about that. If you want to know why they deal in secrecy and all of this, it's because, (A), you have got Skull and Bones, and (B), so many of them were also in the intelligence services and that whole side of Washington and New York.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/1448237&mode=thread&tid=25
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I know a Yalie who told me S&B is more or less a joke now (she graduated in the late late '90s). It's a weird group in my opinion, but that's really all I think about it.

[redqueen]

14. It takes a LONG time to load

http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=2947

"My attempt to get further information from the Skull and Bones shell corporation, the Russell Trust Association, resulted in my uncovering a fascinating corporate shell game that led back to the Bay of Pigs. These days any researcher who attempts to track down information from the Russell Trust Association will learn from the corporate filings office of the Connecticut Secretary of State that no such entity exists. This is a bit of a scam. It required some brilliant cross-referencing and close study of the secret Skull and Bones directories on the part of my research associate on this story, Peggy Adler, to discover that the Russell Trust Association changed its name nearly four decades ago and effectively erased its existence from corporate history.

It did so by abolishing itself and then reincorporating itself with the uninformative, anonymous-sounding name "RTA Incorporated." And it chose a very peculiar moment in history to do so. The new papers of reincorporation that erased the century-old Russell Trust Association were filed at 10:15 a.m. on April 14, 1961. Two hours later, at noon on that day, the orders went out to begin the Bay of Pigs operations–the covert C.I.A.-financed invasion of Castro’s Cuba, a bloody fiasco that still haunts us four decades later.

Coincidence? Probably. But then it’s also true that one of the C.I.A.’s masterminds for the Bay of Pigs was a man named Richard Drain, Skull and Bones ’43. And the White House planner of the Bay of Pigs operation was McGeorge Bundy, Skull and Bones ’40. And the State Department liaison for the Bay of Pigs operation was his brother William P. Bundy, Skull and Bones ’39. And the man who filed the reincorporation papers that erased the Russell Trust Association from existence on the day of the Bay of Pigs was Howard Weaver, Skull and Bones ’45W (George Bush’s class), who retired from the C.I.A. in 1959. All of which might lead one to suspect that the Skull and Bones corporate shell had been used as a clandestine conduit of funds for the Bay of Pigs, and then erased from existence to cover up the connection as the invasion got underway.

Still, once again, it’s not any covert connection between Skull and Bones and the Bay of Pigs that’s so shocking and revealing, it’s the overt connection: Whether or not they used the Russell Trust Association as a pipeline, the fact that all these Skull and Bones geniuses devised such a patently idiotic plan in the first place is the scandal. Brave men died because of their elitist secret-society mentality. And then they went on to give us Vietnam. It makes you fear for the future of our country if George W. turns to these types for advice."

[Loren645]

15. If you can catch him on a rerun of CSPAN2's BookNotes

He talks about the importance of Skull & Bones, at length,
to the Bush Dynasty, and to anyone in it.

He goes into a lot more detail, in American Dynasty.

Exerpts at:

http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm

"At Yale, ìthe most legendary of all college clubs was Skull and Bones. To be tapped by Bones in that era was akin to canonization....The clocks were set five minutes fast to symbolize that Bonesmen started life a leg up.

...That was the elite....I always had it in mind, even to this day, that I was not really a part of that. That three generations of Bushes have been ìpart of thatî is central to the familyís ascent.
...
Friend and foe alike have tied success at the network's schools to three essential underpinnings: good family, good attitude (loyalty to the school and to oneís peers), and good skill at sports. Rough edges made for a poor fit. Prescott Bush (St. Georgeís 1913, Yale 1917, Skull and Bones) and George H. W. Bush (Andover 1942, Yale 1948, Skull and Bones) fit well, thereby unfolding a kind of red carpet on which they could later walk comfortably through the upper echelons of American life."


Of course he doesn't discuss Kerry specifically, since the
subject of the book is the Bush Klan.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. To hell with S&B, what matters as far as Kerry is the IWR.

His vote on that is what's "creepy".

[bigtree]

17. Zeta Psi

Gov. Dean's fraternity; including Pete Wilson, Les Aspin, the entire Dean Witter family, and a number of wealthy businessmen. ... Should I post all of the sins of that fraternity? http://www.psiofzetapsi.org/history.cfm

Hazing deaths? More? Does any of it have to do with Gov.Dean?

The Psi Epsilon chapter of Zeta Psi fraternity has been permanently derecognized by Dartmouth College as punishment for publishing three internal newsletters with offensive sexual content.

Wellesley Woman Taken to Hospital After Intoxication at Zeta Psi Party. MIT dean suspends alcohol by all at Zeta Psi fraternity. State Officials Block Keg Sale at Zeta Psi.

The general headquarters Zeta Psi Fraternity indefinitely suspended their local chapter at the University following the discovery of alleged racially offensive pictures posted on the Web site partypics.com, according to Aaron Laushway, assistant dean of students and director of fraternity and sorority life.

The pictures, taken at an Oct. 31 Halloween party cosponsored by both fraternities at the Zeta Psi house, depicted several costumed students with their faces painted black. The photographs pictured one individual dressed as Uncle Sam with his face painted black. Two other students painted their faces brown and dressed as tennis stars Venus and Serena Williams.



Zeta Psi

A Place of Fun-Loving Debauchery
Or Is It
A Place of Fun, Loving, and Debauchery


"Be this our guide till life is ended, The spirit of Tau Kappa Phi. In faith and true devotion blended Our loyalty shall never die." - Israel C. Pierson, Phi, 1865 The Present Men of Zeta Psi ...

Famous Zetes From All Over the World
Lesley S. Aspin, Yale, Former US Secretary of Defense
John R. Brodie, Stanford, NFL Hall of Fame, Sr. PGA Golfer
William C. Buck, Lafayette, Exec VP of TDH Capital Corp, part owner of Philadelphia Phillies
Dean Cain, Princeton, Actor, Plays role of Superman in "Lois and Clark"
James Cantalupo, Illinois, President of McDonalds International
Admiral James J. Carey, = Northwestern, United States Navy Reserve
Joseph F. Cullman, Yale, Former Chairman of the Board of Phillip Morris Inc.
Dr. Howard B. Dean, Yale, Governor of Vermont
Biran Dickson, Manitoba, Retired Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada
Ken Dilger, Illinois, NFL's Indianapolis Colts
Albert R. Dowden, Middlebury, President & CEO of Volve of North America Corp.
John Gebhardt, NYU, Managing Director of PaineWebber Inc.
Richard H. Fould, Stanford, NCAA Championship Men's Tennis Coach
Harold "Red" Grange, = Illinois, NFL's Chicago Bears, one of ESPN's top 50 athletes of the century
Jon K. Grant, Western Ontario, Chairman of Quaker Oats of Canada
Ronald G. Greene, Calgary, Chairman of Renaissance Energy Ltd.
William Harrison Jr., North Carolina, Vice Chairman of Chemical Bank
Conrad Harrington, McGill, Former Chancellor of McGill University
Arden Haynes, Manitoba, Chairman and CEO of Imperial Oil Ltd.
Perry S. Herst, Brown, President and CEO of Tistman West
Paul B. Hicks Jr., Virginia, President Texaco Europe
Fred M. Kirby, Lafayette, Former Chairman of the Board of the Allegheny Corp.
Roy McMurtry, Toronto, Canadian High Commissioner to Great Britian
Shaun F. O'Mallery, Pennsylvania, Chairman and CEO of Price Waterhouse
Dr. Julius A. Stratton, = Washington, President Emeritus of MIT
Dr. Benjamin Spock, Yale, Noted author and Physician
Sir John Templeton, Yale, Owner of Templeton Mutual Funds
Eric P. Wente, Stanford, President of Wente Brothers Winery
Peter B. Wilson, Yale, Governor of California

more?

[stopbush]

18. Two words: homosexual orgy.

Yep, that's gotta be it.

The only reason the boys of S&B won't talk about their society (and its initiation rights) is that they have to both give and receive at the office, as it were. When you're portraying yourself as a hetero/war hero/Xtian born again, you don't want the discussion to turn to blowing revelry, not to mention the brethren and their travels along your Hershey Highway. ("Not that there's anything wrong with that." - George Costanza)

Then again, I might be wrong... :)

(My bad)

[bigtree]

20. Mention of homosexual behavior,

to brand someone as a deviant is not a Democratic tactic. It's what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Repeating the nonsense from a television show doesn't excuse.

[sangha]

19. I am susceptible to fact-free arguments

so please do go on. I want hear more about those creepy corporate name-changes. :-)