Perky
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:52 PM
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Betcha Clark bows out March 3. |
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I see him with a solid base. But you need a win to have momentum and grab the undecideds and as importantly pick up donations. Where is he gonna pick up a win?
I just don't see it.
Not critical of the Candidate I just don't see how he survives.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:52 PM
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1. How NH and the other states turn out is important |
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:53 PM
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2. Speaking of picking up wins.... |
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just when is Dean going to do the same thing?
If Clark dosn't win NH he'll win quite a few in the south. Bank on it.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:56 PM
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7. Ever heard of the District of Columbia? |
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BOOYAH!
Hahahahaha...
Later.
RJS
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:59 PM
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13. How many delegates came with that one? n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:01 PM
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15. I read nothing about picking up delegates, merely WINS. |
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And Dean's leading delegates, if you want to get snippy about it. Geez, relax, drink some Sobe...you Clark people seriously need to get a Swedish massage or something.
Later.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:07 PM
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the Dean people are the ones who need a "Swedish massage", and have needed one for awhile. God forbid we say ANYTHING at all that isn't totally worshipful of Dean and his "chances."
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:05 PM
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:57 PM
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He has not been out of NH.. and Edwards is the favorite SOne and Holling endorsed Kerry ans Sharpton takes 20% off the top. He does not win there.
Tennesse and Virginia are next and that is Edwards back yard.
Nothing else to supers tures... He has no momentum, no wins no money... History...IMO
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:59 PM
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and with the military votes we have in this state, i'd put Clark as being the favorite. He's spent a lot of time campagining here.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:00 PM
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Clark has plenty of money, Perk |
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and more rolling in. I expect him to be in it to the very end.
Hell, he'd better be.
I just spent $85 bucks on shirts.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:54 PM
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"you need a win to have momentum". This is the first primary. Right now, everybody has a chance.
Anything can happen; look at Iowa.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:55 PM
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Talk to me after NH, then I will have a better feel of how he will actually do.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:56 PM
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6. A'll take that bet and raise you a Dean. Clark will win in the South. |
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After a bunch of third and fourth place finishes, Dean will be bye bye on March 4th.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:57 PM
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9. Of course, it partially depends upon NH |
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but I'm thinking Clark is positioned to win on Feb 3rd in AZ, NM, OK with good showing in SC and possibly in MO (total tossup there at the moment).
I like his position and hope that a solid 2nd in NH strengthens his chances, though a 3rd won't kill him off.
After Feb 3rd, I'd say TN, VA (with a weakened Dean) are solid bets.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:59 PM
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10. No, I'm afraid the opposite |
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is true. Clark is really picking up steam, and is even ahead of Dean in NH now. I think Clark and Kerry will end up being the major frontrunners, and I think Dean may be the one who'll have to give it up before too long.
Your premise sounds more like wishful thinking, to me.
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Thu Jan-22-04 03:59 PM
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and Dean as well. Left will be Kerry, Edwards and Kucinich.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:00 PM
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14. Betcha Dean bows out by Feburary 3. |
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Dean will take 4th in NH and he will fail in all the Feb 3rd states.
Bye- bey Howie, hello Clark/Edwards
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:05 PM
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20. That would be remarkable but its possible. |
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More likely Dean and Clark stay through super-Tuesday and drop out the next day. Although either certainly have resources to go all the way to the convention, I'm just not certain they will do it if they sinks out of "top tier." Dean maybe if his "movement" compels him too stay.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:37 PM
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I too think that Dean is going to remain #4. But I hope he DOESN'T drop out because the party NEEDS and angry bulldog to keep hammering away on Bush.
I suspect that Kerry WILL take New Hampshire. But he will do POORLY in the south. Especially if the Skull & Bones issue gets into the echo chamber.
All Clark needs to do is keep riding at #2 until we get into the MID-Midwest(Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Missouri (Gepharts people went over to Clark)), South-Central (Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee), the west (California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon) and the upper plains. That is where Clark will DEMOLISH all of the other contenders.
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Thu Jan-22-04 05:01 PM
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is your screen name from the character in Les Miserables? I LOVE that musical, can't get enough of it. And the novel rocks, too!
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:01 PM
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16. Dem strategist Tony Coelho says of Clark - " not a contender " |
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Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 04:05 PM by Hoppin_Mad
Unless he has a great finish in NH - he might be finsished.
COELHO: I think the battle is really, is Clark viable going forward? Whoever it is. Clark, this was his race. And he had to be Clark versus Dean. And then he would be able to be a factor.
MATTHEWS: So he was the anybody but Dean guy coming into this. But now he‘s lost that slot.
COELHO: Now he‘s lost that slot to Kerry and Edwards.
MATTHEWS: Kerry and Edwards.
COELHO: Both of them. And so what could happen here is that Clark could move to fourth or to third. And you could have—I think, Edwards will keep moving up.
And you could have a situation where Clark really got wounded by the Iowa results, by him not participating in Iowa. Maybe a huge mistake with his not going to Iowa, because this thing closed in the last 10 days. It wasn‘t months out.
MATTHEWS: Suppose the finish coming up Tuesday night is going to be Kerry in first, the home guy from the neighborhood, from Massachusetts. Dean, the second guy from Vermont, the other regional candidate. Third, Edwards, who does really good points out of that. And Clark, in fourth.
Does that mean Clark can‘t continue this race? Like Gephardt couldn‘t continue the race?
COELHO: He has money, so he will be able to continue the race. But he won‘t be credible. He will not be one of the contenders.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:10 PM
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23. Dem Strategist Carville says Dean has to come in first in NH |
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:02 PM
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17. clark and edwards will be battling it out in the south for a while n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:03 PM
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18. Betcha he doesn't! n/t |
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Feb. 3rd states
He will do well in SC He will win Oklahoma 1st or 2nd in Arizona probably first in New Mexico Missouri is now wide ope..lots of delegates - top three there -----
Also Clark has raised 30million in the 16 weeks he has been in the race and he is not going anywhere.
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:10 PM
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22. He's doing very well in Nevada |
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I think after NH he will have just begun. *'s SOTU speech helped Clark
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:20 PM
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"Also Clark has raised 30million in the 16 weeks he has been in the race and he is not going anywhere."
Well, THIS is a very good point!
Now tell this to the folks who insist Dean is dead in the water....
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:13 PM
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24. I woud say Clark might win Oklahoma and New Mexico |
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Perhaps Arizona, Tennessee, and VA...
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:13 PM
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25. How much... and do you have paypal? |
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Thu Jan-22-04 04:15 PM
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26. I wouldn't be too sure |
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There are many scenarios under which Clark could survive. In a crowded field, wins don't matter as much as delegates. Assuming no other candidate runs away with it by securing four or five top place finishes, Clark or any candidate for that matter could still be in the thick of the delegate race by showing consistently in the top three of several states.
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I'd bet you that he is the nominee. The reason is simple. He's the most impressive individual in the running BAR NONE. He embodies everything people respect in a leader. He's straightforward and candid without being apologetic and goofy (Dean).
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