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Thu Jan-22-04 08:29 PM
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New Hampshire Debate Thread #3 |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:30 PM
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1. Oh, screw you, Sharpton. |
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Hey, asshole, try going after Bush like that!
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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Shouldn't he be going after Kerry now?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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31. see sharpton zinger below |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 PM
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:D I really love Sharpton. Too bad he doesn't have a chance. But at least he can keep the other candidates relatively honest and on message.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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agreed looow blow in thhis situation |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:30 PM
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"I'd yell too if I spent that much money in Iowa and..."
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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tells Dean not to worry about hooting and hollering , if I'd spent that kinda money and only gotten 18%, I'd be hooting and hollering.
Dean laughed and said thank you reverand.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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8. And Sharpton missed the total question, which was who would you appoint to |
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federal reserve. And would you have a name for that person?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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I think 'the scream' issue is dead |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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28. Dean brought it up in both answers. He'd be mad to bring it up |
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again now that Sharpton made people think of Dean's inverse relationship between spending and votes.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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and thats why Sharpton has no chance |
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he sees this election as a joke and not as a serious matter, he oughtta just conceed and get on with it.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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If I spent time campaigning in Iowa and got ZERO percent like YOU, Sharpton, I'd do the right thing and ** get out of the race! **
I'm not a Dean supporter, but THAT was a VERY cheap shot
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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4. I'm gonna KILL that bell-ringer, I swear!!! |
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Don't kno what to make of Sharpton's jibe at Dean.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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What in the fuck was the point of that?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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20. Actually, I think this will work in Dean's favor. |
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Lightens the moment and takes the "sting" factor out of the whole scream thing.
Now we can move on from it, hopefully.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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39. Hopefully you're right |
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I can't imagine watching and not genuinely feeling for Dean.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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15. Sharpton is still smarting about the CBC endorsing Dean instead of him |
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he wants to take Dean out. He's been quite helpful in the ABD movement too.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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33. Sharpton thinks Dean's bad on race and class issues. |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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The CBC didn't endorse Dean |
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Individual members endorsed Dean, including the head, but the group as a whole made no endorsement.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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17. It gave Dean a chance to laugh |
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And show people that he really does have a sense of humor. It wasn't too much of a jab, imho.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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40. At that moment, he should have glared or raised an eyebrow. |
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He shouldn't have been laughing about spending money and only gettin 18%.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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I'll respectfully disagree |
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Because I think he would have been painted as angry. Laughing it off seemed like an appropriate response.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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18. I liked it. It broke the ice |
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Sharpton just answered the wrong question, but he did a good job of it.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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21. How does one go about doing a good job... |
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...of answering the wrong question?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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9. Sharpton tanked on that one. |
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That answer was a disaster.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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Yeah, I'll say. Jennings didn't need to be so kind |
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do we allow Fox to put these things on?
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what's with the terrible lighting?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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11. Al knows his IMF stuff well! |
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but Jennings returns to Fed Reserve
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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12. Zinger by Sharpton but that question nailed him |
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Didn't sound to credible with his answer (not specific at all) and this is coming from a big fan of the Rev's. Scott
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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self deleted... then reposted after a second thought modified |
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It seems as if Dean and Sharpton have a Love/Hate relationship. Sharpton seems to give Dean "outs", but he slams him at the same time.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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25. well, SC could really hurt Dean |
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and that's why I think he's there...to keep Dean from getting through SC easily...I dont know
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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30. I think Sharpton tried to help Dean out on the scream issue thingy. n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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allows dean to look good with the laugh, it's laughed off, defused. good on sharpton to be the bad guy, allows dean an open. :shrug:
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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interesting so far....DEFINITELY a mean, nastier edge !!
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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14. Ouch. Hooting Hollaring Howard. |
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Sharpton says, I'd hoot and hollar too if I spent the money you did and got 18%. Don't apologize.
Dean starts laughing heartily. But the jokes on him.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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If Dean said, "Hey, jerkoff, what the fuck?", you would've said he should've laughed it off. What else should he have done?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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48. What else should have done? Focused more on policy. Release a real |
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tax policy months ago. Not ride on emotion alone.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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The question was "What else should he have done to answer that low blow," now "AP's Self-Righteous Guide to Running Howard Dean." Sharpton-like in NOT answering a question there.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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Sharpton is a bitter little man, who needs a new hairstyle.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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Spare me but anyone else pull a 3rd in a primary and have 3500 screaming fans attend a concession speech, they'd better be excited since that just don't happen.
I like Al but he's a bit too much of a publiciity seeker.
Dr. Dean is the real deal
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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77. The joke is on the critics |
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Dean has gotten ALL kinds of free publicity over a show of emotion. He did NOTHING negative.
So all these Reich Wing programs trying to make him look bad are just giving him free pub. Sharpton is right in this respect. Don't be afraid of hooting, hollering and even howling at the moon.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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16. Mmmmkay Sharpton shouldn't be talking economics |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:32 PM
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19. it was a cheap shot from Sharpton |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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I didn't see it that way. |
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My 'take' on it was it was Al's way of saying 'Move on, people. nothing to see here." I think he meant it nicely.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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26. Jennings tried to make a fool of Sharpton |
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serves him right. I swear to God every time they take a cheap shot at Dean I just want to send Dean a check.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 PM
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74. You'll be going broke soon, my friend |
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unless you have LIMITLESS money
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:33 PM
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29. not enough time to answer questions ...and too many candidates on stage |
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they are "gotcha questions"...
you win from this "show" by not looking bad....I wish we had time for more substance
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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yes lots of gotcha questions |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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35. I thought it was harmless...eom |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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36. back...now Brit "I fucked George Bush" Hume... |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:34 PM
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37. Here's a "toss your medals" question to Kerry... |
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...let's see how he handles it.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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42. He just handled it VERY well |
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Seems like someone wanted to use this against him.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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51. He was ready for it, good, good answer. |
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Nice applause from the audience.
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taking it to Nixon and now bush*.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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41. Kerry replying to Vietnam question |
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Kerry sounds like the man who SHOULD be president
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:35 PM
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...now stop talking, John. Stop!
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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And he got a good applause too! |
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46. Kerry: This president is breaking faith with veterans all over the country |
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Not gonna listen to Delay lecture Democrats about patriotism!! WOOO HOOOO
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:37 PM
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58. Better than good - great! |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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53. Damn he made a slam dunk w/ that response. |
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Kerry dodged a straightforward question about throwing away his medals.
You see Kerry is in a catch-22 here. If he ADMITS that he didn't throw away his medals, it makes him look silly.
But it makes him look even SILLIER to dodge this question.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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54. Kerry was great there... |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:38 PM
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62. Kerry takin it to the MAN |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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45. Haven't seen any of the previous threads |
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but this "debate" is crap. Questions are longer than the answers, and half of them are just stupid. Clark hasn't had a question of substance, only questions that he had to defend himself.
THey are on again, I'll be back to bitch some more later.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:37 PM
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59. Clark keeps getting attacked over past comments like Dean |
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and he hasn't learned to handle it yet.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:36 PM
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50. EXCELLENT response by Kerry on medals, etc. <eom> |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:37 PM
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55. Lieberman likes telling stories |
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57. But this one's fine, reflects poorly on Bush |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 PM
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68. Interesting style of speaking though |
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56. Lieberman contrasting himself well |
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It should work very well for him...expect Lieberman to get solid support in the NH primary
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67. K, Lieberman, we don't OWE anyone our LIBERTIES nt |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:37 PM
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60. Lieberman proud of his support of backing getting Saddam |
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out. Now that Gephardt is out, he's the only one with "unwavering support" of the war.
I would vote for the DU Yak over Lieberman.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:38 PM
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61. Joe "Trust your sons honor in the hall of the dead" Lieberman |
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I really HATE the imperialism
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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83. DK started kinda shaky but ended strong |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:38 PM
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64. Clark had better get on da stick! n/t |
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70. He has to wait his turn...don't frett |
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75. They seem to be avoiding him |
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65. From a great answer by Kerry to Storytime with Uncle Joe! |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:38 PM
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66. Good answer from Kerry... |
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...regarding patriotism, medal throwing, protest, etc.
oh god, now Lieberman standing side by side with Gephardt in being totally pro-war...
here's an ancedote from Lieberman...about some guy saying his son was shipping off in a month, and he trusts Lieb with his sons life...oh god, he's just completely off his rocker...never hesitate to go to war if the US is threatened..I'll give Bush whatever he wants, but no gifts to Halliburton (hey Joe, how's the Enron investigation going)...
he gets applause for saying something or other
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73. I bet Joe's just shocked to get applause |
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At a Dem debate, that is. Joe usually gets booooooooos
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71. Q to Kooch on the deficit...Kucinich responsing by ATTACKING THE WAR |
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Going on to healthcare "Paying for healthcare already but not getting it"
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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79. Will NOT cut domestic programs...target date according to Bush inept |
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gotta stop tax cuts! Bush trying to wipe out social programs APPLAUSE!!!
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 PM
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72. DK is out just after NH. n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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90. He said something that needed to be said, though |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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76. Whats with the lighting? |
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everyone on stage looks terrible
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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82. I noticed that with DK |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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85. The audience looks good, though |
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The lighting sucks. It IS faux, after all. Mods suck. Lighting sucks. Time for answers suck.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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...everyone has noticed...
now asking a question of Clark...
Micheal Moore endorsement, asking about Moore calling Bush a deserter (A RECKLESS CHARGE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE FACTS???)...
Clark has never looked at the charge, urp...delighted to have the support of Moore and McGovern...
its about the future
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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118. center stage looks better than the rest |
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so Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton well lit not the rest
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:40 PM
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81. Why that squeak instead of a light when time's running out? |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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84. DAMN right on Denny!! |
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paraphrasing "the president's trying to wipe out the government's ability to deliver social and economic justice"
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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89. That was a good point. n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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DK started kinda shaky but ended strong |
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horrible lighting though and I think DK has the same cold as Dean. These guys need to get some sleep. Edwards is well lit however . . .
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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86. Bush being a deserter "wasn't supported by the facts?" Screw you, Pete! |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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Bush is an AWOL deserter.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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of bullshit I've ever heard a newscaster utter. Godamn it pissed me off. Scott
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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87. Jennings just said Bush's desertion isn't supported by facts! |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:41 PM
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88. jennings on M Moore: Moore called Bush deserter....reckless charge |
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Clark: I think MM has right to say what he says
Clark says he doesnt know facts.
Now talking FUTURE like some fucking Democrat!!!!
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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95. Clark SAYS he's gonna hold Bush accountable |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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98. NOT GOOD WES!!! NOT GOOD! |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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102. Jennings just shot Wes in the gut...what will Michael Moore say now? |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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109. What do you want him to say? Bush is an AWOL coke fiend? |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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A THeiving AWOL Coke Fiend sounds better. Scott
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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112. What's not good. What do you think Clark didn't say that he |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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99. Jennings won't give up |
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How could someone call the Resident a deserter? Sounds like he wants Moore to be taken away in shackles.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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93. Clark, Good Answer, Michael Moore can say what he wants. n/t |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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114. The General knew exactly how to avoid that trap, plus |
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he didn't give AWOL a pass!!!!!
Clark is simply the greatest! :loveya:
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:42 PM
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96. Jenning defines Moore as BAD MAN. Clark, very wisely, says... |
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...Moore can say whatever the hell he wants. This is America.
I'm proud to have the support of a broad range of Americans.
Nice answer.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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105. Great reply from Clark |
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Jennings kept trying to trap him into agreeing that B*sh was a deserter.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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Rove is going to have a hard time hitting him with anything.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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100. You Are Witnessing An Attempt To Assasinate Clark |
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before the NH Election.
No applause at all?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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I agree... they are trying to take him out in this debate. |
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He's holding his own, most definitely, but he needs to hit one out of the park...
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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122. It's a right wing audience - Lieb got big applause for Iraq war stance |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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101. Clark just set himself on the high road |
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Although I would like it if he looked into WHY Moore called Bush a deserter.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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Dickhead Jennings.
Later.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:43 PM
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104. Great answer by Clark.... |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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106. Epic whiff on the deserter issue |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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107. If you've been waiting for Clark to call Bush AWOL |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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108. The moderators really, really suck |
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Why am I not surprised. Are they giving prizes for the longest question?
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:44 PM
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110. Clark's answer about Moore's endorsement is losing me |
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points for him and gaining them at the same time.
I love his support for Moore speaking his mind, but Clark's dodging of the Bush AWOL question and saying they're not relevant lose him points.
I don't know which weighs heavier in my mind yet.
I'm VERY disappointed in Clarks answer on the AWOL question though.
(Dean/Clark/Kucinch/Kerry--that's my order)
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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123. Clark is too smart to get sucked into the Bush was AWOL debate. |
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Be disappointed. I'm thrilled.
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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117. Ok, they are trying to trip them all up with gay marriage... |
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...particularly Edwards presently, ties in Dean.
Man, lots of nuance flying around the room...
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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120. They're really going after Clark big time.... |
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Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 PM
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121. Continue in thread #4 |
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