New Hampshire Debate Thread #6

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[robsul82]

1. Pure fluff to Edwards.

Makes me wonder about Repubs and what they see in Edwards.

Later.

RJS

[Guaranteed]

5. Yeah...this is pointless.

What does he expect Edwards to say? Lobbyists are GOOD?

[DjTj]

24. ...maybe they wanted to get him into bashing Clark...

...for being a lobbyist?

That's what I thought when Jennings interjected there, but Edwards talked them out of time...

[Valjean]

54. Edwards was weak!!!!

He should have gone for the brass ring.

YES LOBBYISTS ARE BAD!!!!! THEY ARE PAID TO PURSUE OTHER PEOPLES ISSUES.

The only lobbyists that should be involved are the non-paid variety. The people who don't get paid shit to plea a case are the only people you can believe.

EVERY lobbyist is a cynical shill!!!!

[snyttri]

9. maybe fluff

[AP]

17. Is there a memo from Trippi telling people to spin anytime anyone even ...

...thinks of Edwards as the Republicans wanting him?

Also, how is calling him a lightweight pretty boy with no future in this campaign a softball?

[robsul82]

28. Oh, PLEASE!

The first part of the question was "The Iowa result suggest that 32% of Iowans looked at you and saw two ADORABLE kids, a fresh face, new ideas, but you've only served a half a term." SOFTBALL, PERIOD.

Later.

RJS

[AP]

39. Oh, YOU'RE WELCOME

Just giving my opinion.

[robsul82]

53. An obviously biased, partisan opinion holding ZERO weight whatsoever.

Don't talk if you're just gonna close your eyes and cover your ears singing "La, la, la," all the way down.

Later.

RJS

[AP]

65. Right-o.

[Khephra]

51. Yeah, Oh Please

Subscribe to any Dean group. You want to make accusations? Bring proof instead of gossip.

[AP]

70. It was question, not a statement.

[curse10]

2. Go Edwards go!

Man, I love him!

[BootinUp]

3. 37,000 is not 32% of Iowans Sen,. Edwards

A slight exageration. :)

[Maddy McCall]

4. Not being ugly, but can't they cut dean's mike when he isn't responding?

The coughing is getting on my nerves, so I know it is getting on the candidates' nerves when they aer trying to respond.

[goodhue]

11. yes

very odd

[robsul82]

Might not be Dean, don't jump to conclusions.

Could be on the moderators' mics, could be a mic backstage that stagehands cough into to screw up points, etc.

Later.

RJS

[Guaranteed]

15. It's not Dean...it's the damned mod with the beard and glasses

I saw him coughing. It's him.

[goodhue]

26. I think your right

get him

[Maddy McCall]

31. They need to cut his mike...

I am a college lecturer, and nothing interrupts the flow of ideas like coughing or cell phones ringing.

[RafterMan]

6. Great swing?

Based on the applause, it's a runaway victory for Lieberman.

This is lame.

[MissB]

7. That is the Crossfire bell.

[Terwilliger]

8. These questions may grate on folks, but its all fodder for what's to come

So, they might as well hone

[xultar]

10. I'm not digging Edwards time hogging answers n/t

[Cuban_Liberal]

16. Everyone's doing it.

They're all ignoring that stupid bell.

[goodhue]

19. he's doing well

is that why you don't dig?

[Cuban_Liberal]

29. *grin* n/t

[SadEagle]

36. I respect his ability to go over time limit gracefully.

I mean, I don't like him doing it, but he is very good at it. Gotta respect the skill.

[Kahuna]

12. Their assignment tonight is to take out Clark. Clark is on his.

toes though.

[MoonRiver]

32. These moderators are way too dumb to take on General Clark!

:kick:

[DjTj]

37. and prop up Lieberman...

...ridiculous.

[gulliver]

43. Clark is doing a merely average job for Clark, but is still...

... the most presidential of those on stage.

[Maddy McCall]

56. They aren't giving him "REAL" questions.

[minkyboodle]

13. earth inscrumbling under the feet of Iranian regime?

I think that is a tasteless way to phrase the question Hume.
Scott

[killbotfactory]

22. Don't worry, once we sufficiently screw up Iraq...

They will turn into the new Iran!

Yay!

[RafterMan]

25. Agreed

Not only heartless but wrong.

[w13rd0]

47. VERY tasteless...

...now Kerry saying he presents the strongest challenge to Bush. Dean and he are only ones not confined by caps (he has a point), ah...help small business...

All in all, its a real nailgrinder, but an interesting debate.

hey, US politics is good theatre if nothing else...

asking Lieberman a parochial question?

another "gotcha" question...sheeees...

[Renew Deal]

14. How does Sharpton get an Iran question and Clark an Axciom question?

This is bullshit.

[Tatiana]

34. You should have gotten the point by now.

They got the Repuke meme... they are trying to take Clark down.

I think Clark realizes this and is refusing to give Fox any ammunition.

[xultar]

18. WTF is Sharpton talking about n/t

[Jerseycoa]

No idea

:7

[Terwilliger]

20. Sharpton: Does not support military intervention in Iran

Hume on that question...playing to HIS base

Sharpton: must go through UN

[Township75]

21. Sharpton said he would deal with Iran through trade...I thought we had...

an embargo? Am I wrong?

[askew]

23. Ok I remember now. I hate Peter Jennings.

Didn't he give up his Canadian citizenship after 9/11. His Michael Moore question to Clark was offensive. However, Clark could have given a much better answer. I actually liked the rest of Clark's answers, but this one was too vague. But, on a positive note, I think he is the only candidate in okay lighting. He is getting screwed on the questions though.

Dennis on the other hand has the worst lighting. And this is worst debate so far for him so far, but he has got the biggest laugh so far.

I liked Sharpton throwing Dean a bone. I don't like Sharpton overall, but I think he did a good thing here.

On the other hand, Edwards tried to deflect his horrible DOMA answer onto Dean by mentioning Vermont's Civil Unions. Edwards looked physcially pained having to discuss this issue and he obviously didn't know what he was talking about. I liked Dean's quick little comment about how his stance is the same as Cheney's on Civil Unions.

And how many questions has Lieberman had on healthcare. He is getting some serious softball questions. And his rant on Iraq was frightening.

And I liked Dean's answer on the gotcha question about Iraq. This is an important issue and Edwards, Kerry and Lieberman's vote did send those soliders to Iraq and 500 soliders are dead. They are partially responsible for this. At least, Lieberman truly believes in his vote.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

41. Peter Jennings is a Corporate Media Actor, and not a very good one

He's sooooo boring. YAWN. Why do they get these second rate line readers as anchors anyway? No wonder no one watches.

[cthrumatrix]

27. I think Clark and Dean are getting harder questions than Kerry....

For example...would kerry get the Bush AWOL question or AL's Fed Reserve question...

[Cuban_Liberal]

I agree.

The plus side is that they're handling them well.

[Cuban_Liberal]

78. THE question for Clark.

Here goes....

[Kahuna]

49. Kerry, Edwards and Lieberman are getting easy questions...

They are trying to trip up General Clark.

[Maddy McCall]

50. They are getting bullshit questions...

Questions about them personally, not on policy and issues.

[Tatiana]

57. Agreed. They're both doing pretty well, though.

Especially Dean. Hope the guy gets some rest after this debate.

[Khephra]

30. In response to the "idear" posts

ACPS65 (80 posts) Thu Jan-22-04 09:14 PM
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72. Dean droning on in on in the low monotone voice.


"The idear"? Wtf...


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laruemtt (616 posts) Thu Jan-22-04 09:15 PM
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79. new england pronunciation

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Yes, adding a "r" at the end of words is a trait common of NE Dialects (I think...it's been years since my ling. courses).

Go back and listen to JFK speeches. You'll hear it there too.

[Guaranteed]

33. Kerry not answering the question. At all.

On edit: Alright he FINALLY answered it, sort of.

[xultar]

35. Don't name endorsements they can mess u up! n/t

[adamrsilva]

Ha, Kerry didn't learn Dean's lesson

about endorsements.

[goodhue]

46. so true

[liberalcanuck]

66. DK has done very well.

[goodhue]

38. Kerry boasts about outside caps

and now endorsements?
doesn't he realize this didn't work for Dean?
why should it work for him?

[GalleryGod]

93. Much MORE legitamacy than HD

:smoke: in-a-nutshell

[TexasPatriot]

40. its interesting that the big broad vision questions

are going to Lieberman, Sharpton, and to a lesser extent Kerry. Kerry's been able to knock a couple of em pretty hard (he's winning so far imo). Dean and Clark have gotten smaller questions, and as a result they've had a hard time sounding BIG.

[Jerseycoa]

52. They are loving Lieberman

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

72. good observation

right on, too. For anyone who's not a political junkie or a swing voter with few hard core ideas Lieberman is coming across quite well. Sure it doesn't play with the base, but it sure plays to a lot of people.

[enkidu2]

42. i am

surprised at how much of a wingnut jennings is i thought he was better than that, what is this hounding the virtues question, they answered and answered and answered and he still did not stop, what does he want, to have them admit they are all the antichrist?

[David Zephyr]

44. Daschle Has Endorsed Kerry? Figures!

Well, there it is, folks. Tom Daschle working for Kerry.

[Tatiana]

85. Somehow....

That doesn't exactly inspire me.

Daschle hasn't been a bastion of strength and fortitude for our party. However, Kennedy has.

[laruemtt]

45. why all the lieberman ?s

[OKNancy]

48. Did Joe Lieberman pay someone off

Oh nevermind....this is Fox

[laruemtt]

55. looks like it. this is a regular

lieberman forum

[Kahuna]

60. Riiiight!

:pals:

[robsul82]

67. Jesus Christ...

This is getting ridiculous.

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

58. Lieberman has stood up to special interests

Except for those insurance groups, I guess.

[Terwilliger]

59. Rprtr: "doesn't want to bring up horse race"...asks Lieberman about polls

WHOA!!!! Going after Dean!

[goodhue]

61. Lieberman making fun of Dean?

[killbotfactory]

62. NH has Liebermania

The Joementum is not stopping tonight.

[adamrsilva]

69. Joe is actually wowing the crowd

This sucks.

[arcos]

126. It's a Joenuary to remembuary!!! n/t

[RichV]

63. Wow. Praising the DLC. Come on, Joe...

[minkyboodle]

64. Are we gonna get a NAFTA question at least?

or did I have a seizure of anger during it???
SCott

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. *sigh* I have to say this.

I HATE FAUX NEWS! I HATE Republicans! Whew! I feel a tad better now, Thanks!

[minkyboodle]

74. to quote simpsons guy

"worst moderators ever..."
SCott

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. Listen to this ASSHOLE HUME!!!!

I hate him!!!!! Go, Wes!

[ALago1]

71. Geez the crowd is falling all over Lieberman tonight

n/t

[adamrsilva]

77. Crap, here comes one that ruins Clark and Dean

Shit, Clark is done.

[bicentennial_baby]

90. No he isn't

Wishful thinking on your part.

[goodhue]

73. Is Lieberman really winning?!

The head spins

[DjTj]

75. Fox loves Lieberman...

:tinfoilhat:

[Jerseycoa]

79. Isn't it frightening?

[RichV]

76. SHIT! Another attack question for Clark. Again.

[adamrsilva]

Clark's being Dean-ed

And we know what happen to Dean.

[bicentennial_baby]

80. Aarrrgghhhh Clark is a Republican time

Jeebus...

[robsul82]

82. Hume goes after the Clark being a Democrat AGAIN...

"When did you first notice you were a Democrat?"

Yeesh.

Later.

RJS

[Terwilliger]

83. Brit going after Clark's partisanship

said he voted for Clinton in 92 and 96

[Maddy McCall]

84. Goddammit let Clark answer a question on issues instead...

of the stupid personal questions.

[Maddy McCall]

91. Yah Baby! Turn the question on them!

He handled it brilliantly.

[soleft]

86. Whose fault is it these debates are on Fox?

[Guaranteed]

87. Whoops...Clark says "attacking Taliban in Iraq" nt

[minkyboodle]

94. well they have been hitting him so hard

now they finally have their flub to magnify 1000 times. I'm no Clark supporter but his questions have been ridiculous.
Scott

[Guaranteed]

101. I agree...he's getting nailed.

He's gotten the worst hand to play of them all.

[cthrumatrix]

99. they are tough on Clark....seems to be a bias

[AP]

88. Candy Crowley spent 20 minutes on this Q in CNN debate. I'm sleepy.

They're getting outrageous mileage on that opinion piece.

Good of Clark not to even address it. This is a good answer.

[RichV]

89. Uh oh. Misspoke. Said approved of attacking "Taliban in Iraq"

[Jerseycoa]

98. Oooh clapping

Maybe he should say Iraq by mistake all the time.

[Terwilliger]

92. Clark says he IS a Democrat...wants to take Bush head on....fam vals...

are those of the Democratic party

Hume keeping him on support of outcome of the war.

[w13rd0]

95. Good golly...

...another bomb being thrown in Clark's lap. Says he voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Clinton in 92 and 96. Strong basis of values back into the Democratic party, family values is OUR issue.

Ok, and another bomb. With another quote.

Well, Clark is making up for any lack of time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. Well, it's official

the republicans are gunning for Clark! Marching orders from KKKRove and Poger Ailes! :grr:

GOOD ANSWER, WES!!!!!!!!

[AP]

102. They're going after all of them. Trying to pick weaknesses.

[Maddy McCall]

104. He can handle them, though. He can negate most every attack.

[RichV]

114. But two gaffes in the answer... Clark simply misspoke.

[liberalcanuck]

116. Way to go John Edwards!

Thank John Edwards for telling Brit Hume off!

[xultar]

97. Brit is an ASSHOLE I need a bat to show him what I'm thinking n/t

[Jerseycoa]

124. Go Johnnieeeeeeeeee

Good for him! Let's talk about the people.

[laruemtt]

100. applause for Clark after his response

to that attack. YAY!!!!

[robsul82]

103. Yay, time for Our Eighth Sitdown with John Edwards.

*yawn*

Later.

RJS

[killbotfactory]

108. LOL

How many followups will he get this time?

[goodhue]

105. Edwards taking charge!!!

I like it . . .

[adamrsilva]

115. GET 'EM EDWARDS!

Get 'em!

[goodhue]

117. And people wonder why he & DK are close . . .

[TexasPatriot]

106. i hate faux....

i swear... for all you people that complained about Clark not coming to these debates... how about if we just take a recording of his 'i'm not a republican' answers and insert them into those missed debates and everyone can agree that that's probably what you would have heard... we listen to this crap every time. They always pull pieces of quotes... they NEVER use the whole article... they ALWAYS misconstrue. How many times must we hear them ask the SAME question.

[Terwilliger]

107. Edwards trying to get media questions back on track...just skipped a ?

says the truth is important...not the poll

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

109. Nice Edwards! - bring it back to the issues

good job

[BootinUp]

110. I think Brit Hume beens hangin out here

I swear they have brought up every smear on Clark that I have seen here.

[Kathleen04]

111. Edwards turning the debate

back to real issues..

Good.

[Valjean]

112. Go CLARK

Keep going hard.

Yes, if the Chimp does something right you should praise him. That's true for ANYONE. Adults don't line up on two sides and criticize EVERYTHING the other side does just for that sake.

Adults recognize when someone does something good and gives them credit. This is the UBER-Partisan problem we have in Washington. This is the problem with people like Rush Limbaugh who criticized Bill Clinton for EVERYTHING he did no matter what it was.

Bill Clinton could come out and PRAISE Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh would still criticize him. This is NOT the way ADULTS behave.

Thank you Clark. My respect for you is going through the roof!!!!!

[snyttri]

He made Hume look like the small-minded Bushie he is.

[AP]

113. Uh oh. Edwards is swinging for the wall.

He's right. The debate has been stupid. It's right to step back, talk about the big picture.

[AP]

119. 37 million in poverty.

[Maddy McCall]

118. THANK YOU, EDWARDS!!!

Thank you for pointing out how full of shit these questions are.

:loveya: edwards!

[maddezmom]

120. Good for John Edwards n/t

[xultar]

121. Their questions were run by KKKarl b4 the debate. n/t

[w13rd0]

122. Edwards gives a good response...

...about talking about issues. Deflects questions about bigotry and ?abortion? saying need to talk about real issues...

[AP]

130. He just framed the debate. Now, every question asked, the audience is goin

to aks, does this have anything to do with 37 million people living in poverty?

[robsul82]

138. Oh, Jesus.

Keep dreaming. With DK and his graph now, NO ONE CARES.

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

123. Oh, shit...

DK makin' with the charts!

Later.

RJS

[kerry-is-my-prez]

125. They are all over Clark. Why don't they just flash a little message saying

Do NOT vote for this man....

[Kahuna]

134. LOL! Could they be more obvious?

nt

[MissB]

127. I love Dennis

That was perfect, Dennis. As the mod was going on and on trying to ask a question about Nafta and free trade, Dennis was holding up a graph. Totally ready for the question.

[Endangered Specie]

128. Whew this thing is long

[RichV]

DK whipping out the graphs

[laruemtt]

129. Kuch with his nafta and jobs charts

again!

[cthrumatrix]

131. You can see how "media paints a candidate.....tell me there is not a bias"

all candidate are not getting the same questions..some are getting easier ...while others are getting the gotcha's

[goodhue]

132. fair trade!!!

Finally, and its DK with graphs. Yeeehaw.

[BootinUp]

133. Dennis checked if this was being Televised and then

Brought his charts with him!

[BootinUp]

Jennings with a joke!

Still couldn't see the graphs much better than on radio! LOL

[AnAmerican]

139. Dennis handles himself great. The crowd loves his answer

[milkyway]

135. Fox has targeted Clarke tonight, and he's handled it very well

Every gotcha question they can think of for him.

[NoPasaran]

136. I love Kucinich, really I do

But he really needs to quit with the visual aids.

[Terwilliger]

Dennis getting technical on trade issues...shows graphs

first act in office will be to cancel NAFTA because of the bad job exporting policies...

[w13rd0]

137. HEY! This is running over...

...I thought it was 90 minutes...

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140. Locking- Link to Thread #7

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