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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:21 PM
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How did Kerry vote on the Senate Schiavo S.686 bill?
Anyone know? It was a voice vote, so wasn't recorded. Was he there? Did he vote?
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:26 PM
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1. Only three senators voted
2 republicans and Harkin
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:28 PM
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6. I picture them with candles in their hands
tiptoeing in, voting, then tiptoeing back out again.

Apparently the Dem Senators thought it best to stay out of the circus.

I think I will frame that as "The Democrats knew that it was not the place of the Congress to make such a decision."
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:51 PM
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9. From what I heard Harkin wasn't happy
with the situation, but for some reason he was dragged into it. Do you know why he was left holding the ball for the dems? Was it something about one of his committees?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 08:31 PM
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12. He supported the bill
and has a statement about it on his website explaining why?

I am not sure I understand his rational, but at least, he gives a reason for it.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:16 AM
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23. Where?
I see no statement on Kerry's website supporting Schiavo Bill.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:44 AM
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27. Not Kerry - Harkin
STATEMENT OF SENATOR TOM HARKIN (D-IA) ON THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE

SATURDAY, MARCH 19, 2005
“I have long been an advocate for the rights of people with disabilities. Many in that community are keenly aware of the risk of incapacitation. In such cases, I believe that every precaution should be taken to learn and respect their desires regarding the removal of life supports.

“Over the last week, I have been working hard, and in good faith with Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL), Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and others to come up with legislation that would allow federal review of this case. On Thursday, we came up with a bipartisan measure that did just that and many of my Senate Republican and Democratic colleagues deserve praise for their hard and swift work.

“Unfortunately, the House Republican Leadership refused to take up the bill before sending members home for a two week vacation. We are now giving the House another chance to pass this bipartisan bill.


http://harkin.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=234411
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:50 AM
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28. Thanks...
I knew there was nothing from Kerry... it's just an ugly mess is what it is.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:54 PM
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10. CNN's Schneider makes case for why Democrats stayed out of Schiavo case.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/28/ip.01.html

SCHNEIDER: Was it right for Congress to intervene in the Schiavo case? Democrats say no. Republicans also say no.

REV. JIM WALLIS, SOJOURNERS MAGAZINE: My 80-year-old evangelical father, terribly pro-life, is angry about the way Congress intervened and disregarding the spouse and the courts.

SCHNEIDER: Even the decision to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube cuts across party lines. Democrats think the courts were right. Republicans agree, although they are more closely split.

Any question that asks about President Bush is bound to get a partisan response, right? Not in this case. Predictably, Democrats say President Bush was wrong to intervene in the Schiavo case.Not so predictably, most Republicans also say the president was wrong to get involved.

For Republicans to disagree with President Bush does not happen so often that we should fail to notice. Duly noticed.

(END VIDEOTAPE.)

If the Democratic view is the prevailing one on this issue, then why haven't Democrats been more outspoken? Well, because people believe politicians should stay out of it, and if the Democrats did speak out, it might lead some Republicans to reconsider and instantly make this issue partisan.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:43 PM
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15. Wow. Interesting. Thanks. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:44 AM
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21. That's good reasoning, and probably right. I knew he'd get it right once.
...in his career.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:34 AM
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25. What I heard earlier last week...
Was that Harry Reid cut a deal to keep broader legislation out of the Schiavo Bill, because the Repubs were trying to make it inclusive for all.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:03 AM
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22. That's not accurate - Harkin didn't vote
but he didn't object to a voice vote.

The three senators who voted were all Republicans: Bill First (TN), Mel Martinez (FL) and John Warner (VA).

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/orl-asecmschiavo21032105mar21,0,2376643.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:27 PM
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2. I don't know, but I'd bet he wasn't there.
I heard there were only 3 senators present when they took that vote.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:27 PM
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3. There were only three Senators there
and Kerry was not one of them. They did the voice vote so that they didn't have to do a roll call, which would have kept them from voting until there was a quorum. The voice vote also allowed them to NOT record each Senators individual vote for the record and call it unanimous.

This wouldn't have been so easy to do if more Senators had been there.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:27 PM
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4. Only Senators present
were Mel Martinez (who presided), Bill Frist, Rick Santorum (who read the prayer), and John Warner.

No Dems were present. Warner objected to a degree but went along in the end.

Generally not being present is accepted to signal a senator's consent to the bill.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:59 PM
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11. Yes, not being present to vote = consent
If a legislator really opposes a bill, they show up and vote against it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 08:33 PM
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13. That was the first vote on Thursday
On the second vote on Saturday, there was no opposition at all.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:41 PM
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14. How could Harkin vote yes if he wasn't there? Others say he was.
Hmmm. The more posters respond to my question, the more senators seem to have been present.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:21 PM
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29. I may be wrong...
it seems likely that Warner may have raised his objection on Thursday (as another poster who replied to my original list stated) and Harkin would have been there on Sunday. I remember him being at a press conference with Santorum & Martinez on Saturday so that does make sense.

Does anybody know what time the Senate voted on Sunday? Wasn't it supposed to be after the House? Was it?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:05 AM
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18. Read the prayer?
What's that all about?
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:25 PM
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30. Absence of the chaplain...
my mom was watching Hardball after it happened and she said that Chris Matthews mentioned that Santorum read the prayer because there wasn't even a chaplain present in his interview with Kweisi Mfume (Dem. candidate for Maryland Senate). She said that Mfume laughed and said something to the effect of "Santorum read the prayer?! When I'm a Senator, I'll read the prayer!"
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:11 AM
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19. WTF????
When I watch the Senate on CSPAN, after each speech, the senator says "I suggest the absence of a quorum".

Sheesh!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:23 AM
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24. Yep! Absence of a quorum.
OY!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:28 PM
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5. Noone was really there. Only a handful showed up, mostly GOPers.
Reid decided to just cut a deal and let the GOPers go ahead with a voice vote they wouldn't contest, so few senators came back to DC to weigh in and further politicize the issue. Smart move.

The GOP congress and BushINC WANTED to politicize and PUBLICIZE their position....thus, they are the ones suffering public humiliation over their cravenness. Congress had NO business making this an issue.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:30 PM
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7. I think the Dems decided to let the GOP dangle
Gave them enough rope to hang themselves, they did. Now the prez is backpedalling mightily away from the unpopular action.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:44 PM
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16. I see the logic. You mean the Dems did something good? Hey....
that's a change.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:33 PM
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8. this sounds like a
screwed if you voted for it screwed if you didnt kind of vote
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:04 AM
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17. I am glad to see that the Dems did not go along with the Repubs
First good move on their part for this type of issue.

:kick:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:22 AM
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20. S.686 was passed by voice vote
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 12:31 AM by paineinthearse
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109tzeGFW:e28885:

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the bill be read a third time and the Senate proceed to a vote on passage.

The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is there objection? Without objection, it is so ordered.

The bill having been read the third time, the question is, Shall the bill pass?

The bill (S. 686) was passed, as follows:

S. 686
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.

Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.

SEC. 3. RELIEF.

After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.

Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.

SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.

Nothing in this act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--

(1) to assisting suicide, or

(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.

SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.

Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.

SEC. 8. NO EFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF 1990.

Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990.

SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.

It is the Sense of the Congress that the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.


Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.

The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I rise today to speak about the bill we just passed that will give Terri Schiavo another chance. The bill we passed this afternoon centers on the sanctity of human life. It is bipartisan; it is bicameral. The House of Representatives is considering the exact same bill today. After the Senate and House pass this legislation, the President will immediately sign it into law.

There has been a lot of discussion about what this bill actually does. Let me point out several things.

Simply put, it allows Terri's case to be held in Federal court. The legislation permits a Federal district judge to consider a claim on behalf of Terri for alleged violations of constitutional rights or Federal laws relating to the withholding of food, water, or medical treatment necessary to sustain life.

The bill guarantees a process to help Terri but does not guarantee a particular outcome. Once a new case is filed, a Federal district judge can issue a stay at any time 24 hours a day. A stay would allow Terri to be fed once again. The judge has discretion on that particular decision. However, I would expect that a Federal judge would grant the stay under these circumstances because Terri would need to live in order for the court to consider the case. If a new suit goes forward, the Federal judge must conduct what is called de novo review of the case. De novo review means the judge must look at the case anew. The judge need not rely on or defer to the decision of previous judges.

The judge also may make new findings of fact, and from a practical standpoint this means that in a new case the judge can reevaluate and reassess Terri's medical condition.

I would like to make a few other points about the bill.

First, it is a unique bill passed under unique circumstances that should not serve as a precedent for future legislation.

Second, this bill would not impede any State's existing laws regarding assisted suicide.

Finally, in this bill Congress acknowledges that we should take a closer look in the future at the legal rights of incapacitated individuals.

While this bill will create a new Federal cause of action, I still encourage the Florida Legislature to act on Terri's behalf. This new Federal law will help Terri, but it should not be her only remaining option.

Remember, Terri is alive. Terri is not in a coma. Although there is a range of opinions, neurologists who have examined her insist today that she is not in a persistent vegetative state. She breathes on her own just like you and me. She is not on a respirator. She is not on life support of any type. She does not have a terminal condition.

Moreover, she has a mom and a dad and siblings, her closest blood relatives, who love her, who say she is responsive to them, who want her to live, and who will financially support her. These are the facts.

We in the Senate recognize that it is extraordinary that we, as a body, act. But these are extraordinary circumstances that center on the most fundamental of human values and virtues--the sanctity of human life.

The level of cooperation and thoughtful consideration surrounding this legislative effort on behalf of my colleagues has truly been remarkable. I thank Senate minority leader HARRY REID for his leadership on this issue. He and I have been in close contact throughout this process. I also thank my Democratic colleagues who expressed their concerns but have allowed us to move forward. In particular, I thank Senators MEL MARTINEZ, RICK SANTORUM, TOM HARKIN, and KENT CONRAD for their dedication in shepherding this legislation. This is bipartisan, bicameral legislation.


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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:41 AM
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26. Great Work... Good Post... But
not MANY people really know what the bill said, ergo conspiracy theories abound. But that's okay, most Dems have been pretty quiet and I've begun to think this was a tiny step forward. Tiny, but a step.

Keeping a low profile may be helpful for us in the end.

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sharonking21 Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:45 PM
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31. It's not just Kerry in question
It is all of our Democratic Senators. I saw this piece of legislation as an end-run around the constitution and the rule of law. I was furious at our Dems who did not speak up and stand up. Yes, Reid cut a deal, but it was at the expense of setting a precedent in the minds of people that it is okay to circumvent the rule of law. I don't think we should have gone along with that. See my comments at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1686720&mesg_id=1689356

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1686720&mesg_id=1689696
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