Connecting Dots. HOly ' LettEROlogy ' BatMan! re; occurences of *Sch*

[SpaceBuddy008]

Connecting the Dots....just a little harder...when the 'dots' keep...moving and multiplying...rules of the 'game' change...arbitrarily...headlines ..turnover...repeatedly with no resolution....but the sense of a 'dotmaker' .....moving..'dots' - but seeking connection...cuz that is what we do..to heal, Grow...

..in johnny goSch thread, member noticed the 'quaint' occurence of gannon-guckert-goSch
the small g's upside down 6's...and notes for what it is worth the possible appearence of that number and the significance attached to it of some sort..

...so I was going to post this as a comment, as i had already noticed this *Sch* and attempted to expound..somewhat previously

...but decided to post this observation as it's own thread ..as..it REALLY 'patterned UP' during some sleeplessness. thusly....

J.Go~Sch

Sch~iavo

Sch~indler

Sch~ool Shooting

Sch~ism

Put~Sch

Bu~Sch was not the traditional name at one time?

from Merriam-Webster's New World Dictionary of The English Language....,

Schism (siz'm) 1. a split or division in an organized group
or society , as the result of difference of opinion, of doctrine,
etc.;especially, a formal split or division in the
Christian church. 2 the offense of causing OR trYinG to cause
a SpliT or diVisioN in the Church OR in ReliGion. 3 A SECT FORMED BY such A SPLIT OR DIVISION.


A change in the catholic church- with a new Papacy commencing ..forthwith and...

Schism in this identity of this man..sympathy?.. Schism in a Nation, even 'Holarchy' evidence of..Schism in the Species

-a short digression, aside here on holarchy and a good lead into to a couple more random connections..linkage noted- THAT in ' letterology' playfully noted whan havin' 'fun' with words, palindromes also coming....but in this word is 'EROs' & 'Logos' ..Spirit & Science...involved in the definition of religion to link back to the source

This understanding is developed below, after this explanation of Holarchy...
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One of the greatest insights I have gained from Elisabet is her description of holarchy, attributing the elegant word to Arthur Koestler and explaining its meaning as "the embeddedness of natural entities." "Holarchy is nestedness, distinguishing it from pyramidal hierarchy, which implies superiority at the top and is the metaphor for command-and-control systems. You, as a body, are this kind of holarchy -- cells within organs within organ systems within bodies." (If you take in just one item on ratical by Elisabet, read "Living Systems, the Internet and the Human Future".)

Another way of seeing holarchy starts with the individual, which is a holarchy in its own right, as we just saw. This one is individual within family within community within nation within world. You can cut these different ways using ecosystems, using galaxies, whatever. But always there is this embeddedness and interdependence. Seeing holarchically has interesting consequences. Consider evolution theory. Darwin held that evolution proceeds by competition among individuals. Others noticed a lot of altruism within species and came up with a theory that it was really competition among different species for ecological niches that drove evolution. Then Dawkins came along and said, "No, you're both all wrong, it's the individual gene, it's the competition among selfish genes seeking expression to maximize their presence in the gene pool."


Elisabet says they're all right, but only together! When you have selfishness at every level of holarchy, what happens? If each person is looking out for their own interest within, say, a family, how does family integrity happen? There have to be negotiations that recognize family integrity as having its own self-interest at its own level of holarchy. Couplehood is a simple, two-level holarchy where the individuals are not only negotiating with each other, but with their couplehood, that second level of the holarchy. . . . These negotiations must continue as long as couplehood survives. And it goes on as long as life goes on because we are always in some holarchy and this tension, as I said earlier, is the fundamental source of all creativity.
So how do we run a world? Can we run a world without considering the other levels? The World Trade Organization tried doing that. But what happened? The self-interest of people came up and they went to Seattle in droves.

"Ibid."
Following from the fact that "we are always in some holarchy and this tension is the fundamental source of all creativity," Elisabet describes in the Main Features and Principles of Living Systems,<11>

how things always move from unity to diversity, which sets up conflicts, and then eventually there are negotiations leading to co-operation that brings unity at a new, higher level. . . . When you have self-interest expressed at every level of embedded systems, that's when the negotiations must take place. That's when the co-operation starts to happen in a healthy system.

To "grow up" as an individual, to mature in the best sense of that word, means to accept the awesome powers of one's response ability -- the ability to respond with the totality of one's self to whatever life presents one with -- for the consequences of the choices one makes. Initially we learn how to relate first-and-foremost inwardly to our own self. It is on this basis of inner awareness that we learn what it is to relate to other beings external to us as well as to the world we are wholly embedded in, including air, sky, water, stars, wind, earth, trees and plants, sun and moon. Most of us first learn to relate inwardly in a partial manner. Maturity provides the experience of being conscious of this partiality of unlived awareness and thus of finding ways to more fully express one's living wholeness. After reaching physical maturity, one who unconsciously or consciously chooses to ignore this partial basis of first relating inwardly and then outwardly, creates the ground for all forms of tyranny, oppression, prejudice and intolerance to manifest whereby the partial masquerades as the whole.

Obedience to one's greater awareness, and living it out accordingly to the rhythm of the law of time implicit in it, was the only way. Unlived awareness was another characteristic evil of our time, so full of thinkers who did not do and doers who did not think. Lack of awareness and disobedience to such awareness as there was meant that modern man was increasingly a partial, provisional version instead of a whole, committed version of himself. That was where tyranny, oppression, prejudice and intolerance began. Tyranny was partial being; a part of the whole of man masquerading as his full self and suppressing the rest. All started within before it manifested itself without and tyranny began within partial concepts of ourselves and our role in life. Hence the imperative of obedience, obedience to our greatest awareness and the call always to heighten it still.

--Laurens van der Post, A Far Off Place, p.111
Edinger begins the first chapter of The Creation of Consciousness with Jung's observation of the indispensable need to be engaged in creative confrontation with the essential opposites we find in every aspect of life.

The myth of the necessary incarnation of God . . . can be understood as man's creative confrontation with the opposites and their synthesis in the self, the wholeness of his personality. . . . That is the goal . . . which fits man meaningfully into the scheme of creation and at the same time confers meaning upon it.<15>


From same dictionary...,

PutSch (pooch), n. {G. < Swiis dial.: lit., a push, blow}, an uprising or rebellion, especially an UNsuccessful or minor one. and is this significant because...

"Constitution Restoration Act" (if you are not familiar with the bill, here is the operative paragraph:)

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

-meeting April 7th & 8th , covered by C-span and other vital threads here at DU
*****

Eros & Logos in this Be A U tee Ful Passage:

This is a timely and exciting book. Using religious and alchemical texts, mythology, modern dreams, and the concepts of depth psychology, the author proposes nothing less than a new world-view -- a creative collaboration between the scientific pursuit of knowledge and the religious search for meaning.

"Religion is based on Eros, science on Logos. Religion sought linkage with God, science sought knowledge. The age now dawning seeks linked knowledge.

The first chapter traces the outlines of a "new myth" emerging from the life and work of the Swiss psychiatrist C.G. Jung -- not another religion in competition with all the others, but rather a psychological standpoint from which to understand and verify the essential meaning of every religion.

Chapter two discusses the purpose of human life and what it means to be conscious, "knowing together with an other." In religious terms the "other" is God; psychologically it is the Self, archetype of wholeness and the regulating center of the psyche.

Chapter three examines the implications of Jung's master-work, Answer to Job, in which Jung demonstrates that God needs man in order to become conscious of His dark side. Depth psychology, the "new dispensation," find's man's relation to what has traditionally been called God in the individual's experience of the unconscious.

The final chapter explores Jung's belief that "God's moral quality depends on individuals," which translates psychologically into the pressing need for man to become more conscious of his own dark, destructive side as well as his creative potential.

This is an important book, written in the shadow of ominous global forces. Its basic focus on the quality and meaning of individual human lives reflects an underlying concern for the continuation on earth of any life at all

The anchor of this ratitor's corner is the book's first chapter (below), included to convey something of the growing understanding for the need in human society of a new central living myth, grounded in the creation of more and more consciousness. Such a new myth can serve to resurrect our human family from the apparent ashes and darkness that, on the manifest level, we appear to be evermore attracted to. Instances of human activities are listed in the latter half that signify experiences lived in awareness that augments the sum total of consciousness in the uni verse. Such a fact of the creation of more consciousness provides, as Edinger explains, a tangible "meaning for every experience and gives each individual a role in the on-going world-drama of creation."


With so many American flags being unfurled of late, I return with increased appreciation to the illuminated understanding Krishnamurti precisely articulates regarding where we must go as a species to successfully grow through and beyond our adolescence and embark upon the cosmologically open-ended journey and exploration of what humanity will discover and manifest as a maturing species in the process of expanding human consciousness, individually and then collectively.

When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

--J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52
We can ill afford to so continue separating our selves from each other within our single, fragile, utterly mysterious, and indescribably precious human family. The opportunity facing each of us to transform this source of violence is: to expand the consciousness we are carriers of by facing squarely the despised, rejected, or ignored aspects of our selves, individually and collectively, and embrace anew these estranged yet integral parts of our whole selves. Doing so re-integrates aspects of our selves that have been split-off and sacrificed, resulting in such consequences as those we all are too painfully aware of at this moment.



"Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. ... picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."...-George Orwell



any easier to GET OUT from under it ..if it is a high-heel boot instead of a jack-boot ?

Elisabet Sahtouris illuminates much through her understanding of the genius of living systems that design to be self-organizing and self-maintaining and her appreciation of how life on all levels -- from the community within a single living cell outwards to the gaian self we are all cells in and beyond -- is nothing but one big single conversation.

The consciousness Elisabet experiences and expresses speaks to the miraculous dawning awareness, being seen by more and more carriers of consciousness, that in essence each of us is fundamentally a unique aspect of the universe inventing itself -- that as co-creators we manifest the creative edge of God.

As we recognize the universe to be conscious, intelligent, alive, and all of us co-creators, what is our role? Are we not the creative edge of God? We are the universe inventing itself. And that intelligent Cosmos, or God -- whatever you call it; doesn't matter which word you use as long as we agreed that it's alive, intelligent, conscious, and creative -- that is looking through your eyes, working through your hands, walking on your feet. Isn't that exciting? How does the universe get to know itself? Through all of us and what we're doing.

--Elisabet Sahtouris, The Big Picture, Strategies for Transforming
the Global Economy, 1999
As a visionary evolution biologist, Elisabet sees the ever-present possibility for humanity to mature as a species beyond its current, wildly chaotic adolescent period through "the fact that life is resilient and that the greatest catastrophes in our planet's life history have spawned the greatest creativity."<7> "When we humans, after all a very new species, drop our adolescent arrogance of thinking we know it all and read the wisdom in our parent planet's accumulated experience, we too will mature as a species, to our own benefit and that of all other species, as well as the planet itself."<8> "I'm banking on our own rapid creative response to the crises we have created in order to turn the disaster around. The re-growth of Fascism right now is the old system trying to shore itself up against its own collapse and "replacement" by those of us learning to do things differently -- in a more mature and humane way."<9>

Elisabet's appreciation that the greatest catastrophes in the life of our earth has spawned the greatest creativity reflects Joseph Chilton Pearce's insightful perception concerning "Ilya Prigogine's comments that so long as a system is stable, or at an equilibrium, you can't change it, but as it moves toward disequilibrium and falls into chaos then the slightest bit of coherent energy can bring it into a new structure."<10> Her coherent grasp of the limits to what science can "prove" clarify what she sees as "the most profound sea-change in western culture" in the 20th century.

Philosophers of science explained decades ago that science was not in the business of proving truths, that all theories were testable stories, and could only be tested for their usefulness, not for their truth. I thought that was the most profound sea-change in western culture for this century. Bigger than the bomb. Bigger than the Internet. That we knew that no one person and no one culture has a corner on the truth.

The Big Picture
I am especially struck by Elisabet's apprehension of the fact that the basis and purpose of science is to prove a given theory's usefulness.

The usefulness of this missive is unknown but is it sure derned interestin'...

and Oh yeah my customer's name today is Sch~ear, she and her daughter, really seem like best friends are involved in a community theatre production of mary poppin's, I told her it invoked memories of my First trip to the 'Big city' on the Rapid to a stately downtown theatre with my 96-year old NOW, GrandMother .....and it was so enchanting ...when i got...

Back Home ..I tried to fly by jumping off tables with an umbrella...

THANKS GumGum that was our name for him as she always shared 'simple' gifts ..like gum.

What a WonderFul, WonderFul world this could Be.....

s u p e r c a l i f r a g i l i s t i c E X P E A L I D O C I O u s *

*****

~~~

List of Palindromes
Our Top 30 Best Palindrome List:


Don't nod
Dogma: I am God
Never odd or even
Too bad – I hid a boot
Rats live on no evil star
No trace; not one carton
Was it Eliot's toilet I saw?
Murder for a jar of red rum
May a moody baby doom a yam?
Go hang a salami; I'm a lasagna hog!
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!
A Toyota! Race fast... safe car: a Toyota
Straw? No, too stupid a fad; I put soot on warts
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?
Doc Note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod
No, it never propagates if I set a gap or prevention
Anne, I vote more cars race Rome to Vienna
Sums are not set as a test on Erasmus
Kay, a red nude, peeped under a yak
Some men interpret nine memos
Campus Motto: Bottoms up, Mac
Go deliver a dare, vile dog!
Madam, in Eden I'm Adam
Oozy rat in a sanitary zoo
Ah, Satan sees Natasha
Lisa Bonet ate no basil
Do geese see God?
God saw I was dog
Dennis sinned

http://www.fun-with-words.com/palin_example.html


The People must have SLACK

bush !
rush !
HusH .
Listen To The SinGing Thrush....
...dreams...of Another World
WHERE THE BIRDS* ALLways SinG
...and Nothing Ever ..Dies (kudos to robert smith of TheCure for the last part)

Laurens points to this above when he distinguishes between events on the manifest and latent levels. In latin `manifest' means literally "what you hold in your hand" while `latent' means "to lie hidden or concealed, to lurk". Thus rather than on the manifest it is on the "latent level where, unrecognised, the real instigators and conspirators against too narrow and rigid a conscious rule above are to be found. There, proud, angry, and undefeated, they move men and women on the manifest level about as puppets in predetermined patterns of their own revengeful seeking."

"The Second Coming":
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops. again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?<1>




This poem, first published in 1921, is astonishing in the way it succinctly strikes the major themes concerning the current state of the collective psyche. The magic circle of our mandala has broken and meaning has escaped. The falcon ego has lost the link with its creator, releasing primitive levels of the unconscious from control. The ensuing chaos calls forth in compensation the birth of a new central psychic dominant. What will it be? Antichrist? The allusion to the Sphinx suggests that we must once again face the riddle of the Sphinx and ask ourselves most seriously, "What is the meaning of life?"

The People of The Hand...will perServeRe..
Over the people of the fist...
because The Hand can SHARE All UseFul things..
while The FIsT ..
must ConCeal
what it holds

~Peace~Man~

[ret5hd]

1. ---backing out s-l-o-w-l-y---

nothin', man, nothin'...it's cool...sit back down, i'm leavin'.

[SpaceBuddy008]

25. Funny, Clever Reply, expresses GREAT Response Ability

when i figured out what it mean't


laugh all the time now, that I've read it out loud
with different stresses and rhythm



but always feel free to kick MY butt back some, anyways


brainteaser...you know....and ..

...especially smackdown jive, just compels one MORE...to thrive


NOW DON'T MAKE ME GET OFF MyThrone...you was right to 'get'

while the gettin' was good, Now leave ..once more I tell ya'




WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? cool mp3 song/FlashVid ~NewParadigm Thought SoftWare with Cultural-AlcheMist Peter Russell

http://www.peterussell.com/What/index.html

Righteous Path & Common Dream For The American People NOT..
Private dark & dearth fantasy for the so-called 'elites' best-laid-plans{/i]

[FSogol]

2. LOL

Did you do a lot of drugs, you know, back in the hippie days?

[SpaceBuddy008]

5. WoW...yr. Question ..seems..to...imply....

...that...NO?....you mean to tell me...


..there....are some people....who


...have NOT tried...Drugs?...

....NO !!!....not ....EVEN..the GateWay drug....
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
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......CANDY !

unlike the drugs the doctor's push...*cannabis doesn't need 'disclaimers'....LIKE BE WARNED about bloating, fever, urinary explosions, psoriasis...InsuRRection...whatever !....,

....so I have to YES, of course...but the cannabis, smoked ME

cannabis?

God Don't Make NO JUNK~~~~the Halo Benders

~~~spacebuddy 008 at yr. service ResiStinG the PrivatiZinG of Truth

and using cutural alchemy, creativity and other ancient skills and such, NOW necessary to defend the prime 'right'
Cognitive Liberty and inSist on the ....

...inviolability & sovereignity of thought processes and body, minds and souls of free sentient beings.

a personal question when there was much in the 'message'

inquisitionism approach?

gov. OUT OF Our Synapses

quotes from post

~And that intelligent Cosmos, or God -- whatever you call it; doesn't matter which word you use as long as we agreed that it's alive, intelligent, conscious, and creative -- that is looking through your eyes, working through your hands, walking on your feet. Isn't that exciting? How does the universe get to know itself? Through all of us and what we're doing.

~"latent level where, unrecognised, the real instigators and conspirators against too narrow and rigid a conscious rule above are to be found.

LOVE Sting OPeration....proSeedS...

~ ~ ~
o o o
~ ~ ~

[realFedUp]

7. wow, that was hard work...

I like the Dale Chihuly looking thing.
Thanks for your streaming....

[SpaceBuddy008]

22. pardone me.... logosF

58 posts

WellCome to DU !

everyone else has a 'profile' icon, logo

why not you?

mods?

Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?

[Catherine Vincent]

3. Mommy, I'm scared.

Hold me.

[NVMojo]

19. best reply so far!!!

But this is some awesome "streaming" shit!!!

[Mist]

4. It's cool. It's the Church of the Subgenius.

Maybe it's the Rev. Ivan Stang himself! Plus, my favorite Yeats poem is quoted. A poem we should all know by heart. As for drugs, I think hard-core Subgeni (?) write stuff like this instead of doing drugs!

[progressivejazz]

6. Looks like total bullschit to me. (n/t)

.

[LifeDuringWartime]

8. is this post supposed to make sense?

because i dont get it.

[SpaceBuddy008]

20. is there not, at least some 'sense' imparted within ?

Is there One, specific, 'correct' way to 'make sense' ?

MySory may not make sense to you, but please does it, at least..

...make....sense-imilla ?

you know what REALLY does not make sense at all?

the 'counterweight' of the frankenstein-like pentagon budget, now that's a bud I don't get

Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?

[Mz Pip]

9. Was it Eliot's toilet I saw?

You need to get out more...

Peace

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. No more frop for YOU...

[Bluebear]

11. You know, I was JUST saying that!

:)

[KittyWampus]

12. That's A Lotta Typin'

[jen4clark]

13. Tripper!

Were you the one helping those having bad trips or the one having the bad trip? lol! Or some of both? Definitely the best list of palindromes I've ever seen! Thanks! This was quiet a labor of love!

[Catherine Vincent]

14. Mommy, I'm still scared.

:-)

[SpaceBuddy008]

21. F.E.A.R.=.....,

False Evidence Appearing Real

there, there my cat_girl, what scares thee?
-isn't it BE A U Tee Ful ~MyCousin

Hold Me MoM-Mee
Hold Me WoW-Wee !

M is InVerted 'W'

Mass Murder ?

Mundanely

MindLessLy

CONteMplated ?

in the MainStream Money-Motivated Manipulated Monopoly Media

Monstrous, Monotonous, Mongering for the Misery...

...of Munitions~MaiMing~MoMs is...

Modus-Operan~Di for a Modern ? People ?

Mama Mia~Machevellian


PlutoCrats Did Not Give Their MoM-Mee's The RIGHT to VOTE till~1920








I give comfort I give You 'Merlin' ~fer purr~tection

[BamaBecky]

15. Link?

>>Philosophers of science explained decades ago that science was not in the business of proving truths, that all theories were testable stories, and could only be tested for their usefulness, not for their truth. I thought that was the most profound sea-change in western culture for this century. Bigger than the bomb. Bigger than the Internet. That we knew that no one person and no one culture has a corner on the truth.<<

or is this your summary?

[SpaceBuddy008]

16. Alberto Gonzalez & Andy Griffith

Afghanistan...5002...Guantanamo

Abu...5002...Ghraib

Attorney...5002...General

Alberto...5002...Gonzalez

the Andy...2005...Griffith show!!!
*****
****
***
**
!

I really have fallen in love with the reruns, it is so down-Home decent, even 'quaint' takes one back to a straightforward & simple time...WholeSome

where up was UP & DOWN was down

Andy uses keen common-sense judgement & instinctely and innately does what is right.

if there were 'issues' he confronts, unhesitatingly with upfront man to man, laying all your cards on the table.

the show is simply wonderful and 'merica needs to respect and return to the good things of our past. where decency, compassion was
Second Nature

the recent show where he was gonna punish Opie, because he thought he went on a spending spree, after an unclaimed wallet, awarded to Opie, but was later claimed, BROKE ME DOWN>

The bonding between them, even knowing they were acting was genuine and real.

you just don't see that often anymore in modern slickster productions



my friend thinks this ag razz ma tazz, could be the start of a NewScience-letterology
a=1
g=7

roll with IT

Patriot Act passed 2002=H.res.5005
2 =UpsideDown 5
InVersion of principles & western jurisprudence tradition ?
ignorance is strength

gratitude for all things Past
tenacious moving forward w/ hands to work,hearts to god, feet to the street In the Present
with... a concern for the Future

got this reply: Great Post! Remember Andy's "What it was, Was football?"

His home-spun humor was so much fun and clever. Good catch on comparing them and all the AG appearances.

It may be possible to take it further and write a new monologue called, "What it was, Was torture."

This all makes me think that we are living in a new neocon dream world, where the good of Andy G is replaced by the bad of this new AG.

AND.., n o w ~~~THIS..

...from the BBC: Terror suspect released on bail

Abu Qatada is among eight suspects likely to be freed on Friday
A terror suspect held without charge since 2001 has been freed on bail, with eight more suspects due to be released.
The Special Immigration Appeal Commission (Siac) said the Algerian, known only as 'A', was being freed on condition he wears an electronic tag.

Siac said similar bail was granted "in principle" to eight further detainees, and a tenth, 'G', under house arrest, was to have his conditions relaxed.

The 10 were held under anti-terror laws which ministers are trying to replace.

Introduced in the wake of the 11 September attacks, the laws allow the detention of foreign terror suspects who cannot be deported without trial.

But they have been ruled unlawful by Law Lords and expire on 14 March.

The planned replacement, the Prevention of Terrorism Bill - which would allow "control orders" including a form of house arrest to be imposed on British and foreign terror suspects - is currently undergoing a rocky journey through Parliament.

We need this legislation to protect the security of people in this country and I hope they now change their position and allow the clearly expressed view of the House of Commons to prevail

Tony Blair



Terror bill back in Lords

Siac chairman Mr Justice Ouseley told the hearing: "Now that the secretary of state has decided that he is not going to seek certain levels of restrictions, for people to stay in detention while the precise degree of freedom is resolved seems to me quite unnecessary.

"They can be released on more restrictive terms and the fine tuning can be carried out later."

The suspect known as 'A', a married father-of-five from Algeria, was the only one of the detainees to appear before the Siac hearing in person.


The other detainees likely to be granted bail on Friday, who are being held at Belmarsh and Woodhill, are Abu Qatada, and those known only as 'E', 'H', 'K', 'P' and 'Q', along with two men currently held at Broadmoor Hospital, Berkshire, Palestinian Abu Rideh and detainee 'B'.

Conditions

Mr Justice Ouseley told 'A': "It's very important for your own wellbeing and the wellbeing of your family - with whom you will shortly be reunited - that you keep to these bail terms."

The bail conditions, based on proposals handed to the court on Thursday morning by the Home Office, closely resemble the controversial proposals being fought out in Parliament.

The bail conditions state:

He must wear an electronic tag

He must observe a curfew between 7pm and 7am

He must live at his home address

He will not be allowed to meet anyone by prior arrangement outside his home without Home Office permission

Police and other officials will be able to carry out searches in his home

'A' will only be allowed one fixed telephone line. Mobile phones and computers which can access the internet are not permitted in his home

He must notify the Home Office if he intends to leave the country

He will be limited to one bank account and barred from transferring money without the Home Office's consent
Now that the Secretary of State has decided that he is not going to seek certain levels of restrictions, for people to stay in detention while the precise degree of freedom is resolved seems to me quite unnecessary

Mr Justice Ouseley
Siac chairman

Detainee 'G', who is already under house arrest, later had his bail restrictions relaxed by Siac. He is now under the same bail terms as detainee 'A'.

The other eight are expected to receive similar bail terms.

Mr Justice Ouseley said the other terror suspects currently being held at Belmarsh that are likely to be released will be taken directly to their homes where they will also be fitted with an electronic tag.

Detainees with no home address will have accommodation provided by their local authorities or the National Asylum Support Service.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4335367.stm







what's life really about, little fishin,
a little swimmin' a little food-gatherin',
little readin', writin', 'rithmetic... A little wine, ..women ..song..music..dancin and...
just plain romancin of all that is happenin'






DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF RELIGION~

Years ago I recall Daniel Sheehan describing the latin root of the word `religion' -- religare -- as being re-, back + ligare, link; meaning to link back to the universe, to be reconnected to the source of one's own genesis and of all creation. Webster's defines ligare as bind, (to tie together) which is close to the meaning of link (to connect or tie). In either sense, seen in this way, living one's life with such a "religious attitude" expresses the urge to manifest more of the wholeness of one's totality. Seeking such meaning in one's experience of being does not necessarily relate to any specific creed.



many of the proFounD inSightS from this 'hep' site~ www.ratical.org

[Canuckistanian]

17. Andy Griffiths Show! Of Course!

The "Mayberry Machiavellis"! It all makes sense now.
Either that or my meds are screwed up again.

[lala_rawraw]

18. My friend, I say this with great respect, time for a nap

[SpaceBuddy008]

24. hey 'doc' if I follow your ORDERS ? will you take a simple suggestion?

...and listen to and WATCH this?

WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? cool mp3 song/FlashVid ~NewParadigm Thought SoftWare with Cultural-AlcheMist Peter Russell

http://www.peterussell.com/What/index.html

I like MyStory

you can use appeals to authority and ridicule -if you like

but it is not respectful to tell a complete stranger to, -in essence shut up and go to sleep

two things going on The Flowering of The Human Race and The fear of the flowering of the Human Race

must have felt the need to share your concerns, so thanks I guess, and will look forward to checking out your comments, posts in the future to understand where you are coming from.

AG !
The Republican Media Complex~ A MessAGe to MassAGe the VisAGe to MirAGe The SewAGe this AGE nEEds TriAGe & CourAGe

will we go round in circles?~Billy Preston

....and the beat goes on...

LoveStinG OPeration ...proSeedS.....

[Generator]

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[SpaceBuddy008]

26. The Absolute Most CRAVEN CATCH-22 One Could Ever Be SubJugated >To

The Absolute Most CRAVEN CATCH-22 One Could Ever Be SubJugated >To

Constitutional Restoration Act, 'God's Law' and An Absolutist
Catch-22 Trap Making No Sense
WhatSoEver~~~

this reply? FOUND OUT WHAT THE BEST SENSE, THESIS AND PURPOSE OF MyStory's.....meaning IS !


...I initiated this 'living-thought-thread'...subject re: in/of & on creation, creativity. It came in an intuitive way -as a complete concept, though somewhat nebulous. Though the trust was always felt that this element was part of the design. For THIS, what I started calling a ' thought nugget ' had a grasp on me, cuz it rolled out & on -in a fluid and serendipitous,...holistic..way.

I NEW IT MADE SENSE, BUT NOT QUITE IN A SUM-IT-UP-SUCKER ..WAY,...till now.
What may have been difficult to see the sense it makes, because I think it aims at making sense about...- something that makes...NO SENSE.

I felt obligated and compelled to develope further and add my points of view on the Constitutional restoration act ..push..the ocuurence of Schism within and among the political factions of this nation. I want to issue a warning of political set-up being sought that is A potential future or path, of a tyrannical Catch-22, that people from & with a tradition of Liberty
must be wary of and prevent the imposition of.

First I knew I was onto something, going in the right direction as an uncanny circular logic, clue..closing in on the prime ' thesis statement' which congealed and progressed as repeated readings..'honed' understanding...- linked back to the poem Of William Butler Yeats.

So since Catch-22, the phrase coined from the Novel by Joseph Heller (1961), is not (yes it is entry at end) in the dictionary...the closest very similar word I could think of is CONUNDRUM, ..

From Roget's InterNational Thesaurus 3rd Edition:
Conundrum 547.8
8.riddle, conundrum, charade, rebus;
logogriph, logogram; the Sphinx, riddle of
the Sphinx.

Geez, linkage back to the intuitiveness of the poem "The Second Coming" by
William Butler Yeats ! and confrimation that the major thesis somewhat hidden within is the fascination with What Is The Meaning Of Life?

SO HERE WE GO

Potential Future Stage 1---already achieved, mischieved!

~~~WARNING:
31 It should be clear that more is at stake than the presidency
itself. Use of computerized vote counting
will only increase, as mandated by law. Vote counting is the
bedrock protocol of a democracy and
meaningful reform of a broken counting system is dependent on an
_expression of public will ultimately
exercised at the ballot box and fairly, accurately, and honestly
tabulated. If the system has broken down
and is no longer counting accurately and honestly, there is no
effective democratic mechanism to bring
pressure upon a governing majority to reform a vote counting status
quo which is seen to work in its favor.
This is, as may be seen, a potentially crippling catch-22 for a democracy.



Catch-22 are heads I win / tails you lose frustrating traps, inquisitorial, as conflicting signals from parenting, dialectical as in contradictory messages in the nature of Orwellian language and speeches. a calculated method of disorientation, arbitrariness and disgenuine chicanery.

As in The Goofy logic within one article -the A & G story from the bbc, at the beginning 'A's name is mentined , but later in the article is still referred to as A. Plus the fact that all ten detainees, as far as I can figure, are in the same boat, though A and G are singled out for a reason that is not made apparent. PLUS+ this cryptic Quote...
from the Judge: "Mr Justice Ouseley told 'A': "It's very important for your own wellbeing and the wellbeing of your family - with whom you will shortly be reunited - that you keep to these bail terms."


who is a threat and who is making threats?

So Now stage 1 they have control of the election machinery and installed a party backed by fabuluosly wealthy foundations and ultra-rich individuals and appear keen on extra-judicial affronts and disregard for parlimentary procedure including open records and responsible public discourse, THEY HAVE, IN EFFECT BOUGHT THE 'LAW'...own many sate and federal officials and representatives....- lets return now to the operative paragraph of the....

....constitutional restoration act an attempt at STAGE 2 in the imposition of tyranny and
the invocation of the ultimate Catch-22, ---of which WE JUST CANNOT GO THERE.


From same dictionary...,

PutSch (pooch), n. {G. < Swiis dial.: lit., a push, blow}, an uprising or rebellion, especially an UNsuccessful or minor one. and is this significant because...

"Constitution Restoration Act" (if you are not familiar with the bill, here is the operative paragraph

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

-meeting April 7th & 8th , covered by C-span and other vital threads here at DU
*****
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF SUCH A BLATANTLY WRONG COCK-A-MAYMEE SCAM ?

these heavily funded 'sects' using Big Dough, Absolute power, machevellianism all get together, take loyalty oaths, decide they know God and what's IT ..all about, and now worshiping an exclusionary deity, who is judgemental and vengeful..are attempting to turn common, civil law and rationality into a subjective 'Gods Law' and absolve the responsibility of elected officials and 'officers' of the state for carrying out indecent, undemocratic, oppressive tyrannical measures to advance agenda's antithetical to American tradition, reason and religous compassion.

when all people's contain a part of the mystery, the God-puzzle.

I really think this is irresponsible and smacks of 'plausible deniability' for the state of decay achieved here in America, the blame that rests with the 'entitled' ruling elite and BigWigs of Both Parties, in this 2-party duopoly carried away with emphasis on profit.

ENOMY? = Money$
People First In The 21st !
*****

audio mp3 of The Second Coming
http://www.english.eku.edu/Pellegrino/worldpoetry/poetwavs/yeats/2ndcome.mp3


"The Second Coming":

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops. again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?









One entry found for catch-22.

Main Entry: catch-22
Pronunciation: -"twen-tE-'tü
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural catch-22's or catch-22s
Usage: often capitalized
Etymology: from Catch-22, paradoxical rule in the novel Catch-22 (1961) by Joseph Heller

1 : a problematic situation for which the only solution is denied by a circumstance inherent in the problem or by a rule <the show-business catch-22--no work unless you have an agent, no agent unless you've worked -- Mary Murphy>; also : the circumstance or rule that denies a solution

2 a : an illogical, unreasonable, or senseless situation b : a measure or policy whose effect is the opposite of what was intended c : a situation presenting two equally undesirable alternatives

3 : a hidden difficulty or means of entrapment : CATCH
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=catch-22&x=13&y=15


The media made a point of anouncing the John Paul II was interned at 2:20, yes we caught that 22.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_of_Pope_John_Paul_II#Rite_of_Interment



(3) "...the understanding that peace is both inner and outer. It is a condition of consciousness, a state of being and becoming which involves cognition, conation and affection. In its integral stage it has a contentment and fulfillment because it is its own witness and has a calm and a repose and a balance of the intelligence of the head and the heart, an intuitive understanding that is born of wisdom and compassion, a harmony that transcends opposites or contraries and says without speaking, knows without looking, and is without doing. Peace in the integral being is consciousness of love and light." (contributed by Dr. Vasant V. Merchant, Editor, The International Journal of Humanities and Peace), and lastly (but not finally),

(4) To be enduring, peace must include minimally, the following attributes: resource sufficiency, cooperation, freedom from ignorance and illiteracy; personal and communal opportunities, compassion and caring for others, behaviors and actions that result in all parties "winning", renewable, sustainable energy--sufficient hope, love and prosperity for all, and prospects for the "good life" for all.

We now have an expanded (albeit, not exhaustive) global, spiritual, meta-physical, physical, philosophical, biological, anthropological, economic, social, political, natural and operational definition of peace. Peace is defined as being a normal, natual and essential condition for the continued and continuing progression of all humanity toward 100% success.

Like perennial wild flowers given the right conditions of climate and nature, peace is ever-recurring at various times and places--in greater and lesser degrees--throughout the human community. Peace and its constituent qualities of sufficiency, altruism, cooperation, hope, love and serenity remain life-sustaining and anti-entropic--our teacher of the "ways", our "beacon" for success and survival--our preferred and natural state.

http://www.geni.org/energy/issues/global/myths/scarcity/dog1.htm



man...of~with~in...Nature
Nation of Laws Not men

[TrogL]

27. somebody's got waaaaaaay too much time on their hands

[SpaceBuddy008]

28. not necessary to define or even rightly know the meaning of life...

but in the ..all the time in the world...journey in quests for the meanings of life...it is NECESSARY to discover & know what the meaning of life...

isn't !

and what it IS...not is:

~appeal to personal attack (ad hominen)

~appeal to ridicule

~appeal to authority

~critique of definate bias against the person, with no suuporting
argument of evidence from the message

this cheap lazy reply will be filed as 'Inquisitionism approach'

do you have an open mind ?

toodah lieu

please watch your behavior, i'm in charge hear it is my thread and i challenge anyone to take it over or simply join to better it by presenting an angle or insight, addition or a 'teaching' to add a positive helping hand

over and out
spacebuddy008 at yr. service resiStinG the privatizing of truth