gwb has "no doubt" that Jesus was sent here by God....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

quote below:

"No doubt in my mind the Lord Christ was sent by the Almighty," Bush said. "No doubt."

So, all of you of the Jewish, Islam, Hindu or Buddhist faith, to name a few, sorry about that.
The prez has spoken and so it shall be.

BTW, I have actually turned away from the comfort I found in my own religion and spirituality, because of the way gwb et.al. has forced into the public arena. I am suspect of anyone that appears to be proselytizing and find myself skittish about attending church or even immersing myself in prayer.

The private business of faith and prayer has been corrupted by the RW freaks, and I am revolted and appalled by it. MKJ

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. There are still fine places of worship.

I know one, and if I was the church goin' type, I would go there. The few times I have been there it was exactly the way I knew church could be.

They don't jam it down your throat. It's...serene. Comforting.

On edit: And their potlucks are to die for. Episcopalians know how to eat and drink. ;-)

[Heidi]

4. Right on!

I used to attend and Episcopal church, and I never saw a Jello salad at one of our potlucks!

[ewagner]

23. Their bake sales

are spectacular!

oh, yeah, and the one in Ashland, Wisconsin makes the absolute best anise candy you've ever tasted!

[Heidi]

25. This is where you and I part ways, ewagner!

No anise candy for this former Episcopalian. I spent too much time when I was little in the backseat of my dad's Impala with my licorice-breathed, licorice-whips-loving brother and sister to ever again be within 100 yards of that hideous odor.

Otherwise, I love Episcopalian and UU potlocks better than most restaurant dinners.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Yeah, there are. Until Hurwitz and pacific lumber chop them all down. nt

[Heidi]

2. Why are you giving GWB and his co-conspirators the power

to influence your faith path? Your faith is _yours_ alone. No one can take that from you unless you give them the power to take it.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

7. It's just recently that I realized how I was beginning to have such

negative reactions to anything faith based or religious.

You are so right, and I know I will find my way back to feeling comfortable with my own faith. I think it's hearing and seeing gwb use this deeply personal issue for political purposes that has created this aversion, and I certainly can eventually rise above it.

It's nice to know there are others who feel the same. MKJ

[flordehinojos]

3. i think you are not the only one whose stomach now turns on the matter of

religion because of the way one GWB has twisted, forced it upon people, and pushed his own distorted, misguided version of it down our throats. We are all reacting to the false religion of GWB, Karl Rove and the right wingnuts.

But your own prayers, to your very own God as YOU see him and understand him and his truth to be ...i would hope you won't let them take that away from you.

:)

[Clarkie1]

5. The quote in and of itself isn't bothersome.

Everyone, including the president, is entitled to their own beliefs.

It's bringing his private beliefs into the political arena that is offensive.

[Syrinx]

6. don't believe the hype about Georgie

The Bushes know how to capitalize on the bigotries of the masses for their own power-hungry mad purposes, but none of them actually believe any of that stuff. That's for the lowly scum who wipe their spittle and pull their levers.

NONE OF THE BUSHES ARE THE LEAST BIT RELIGIOUS! AT ALL!

[Erika]

8. Christ taught us to take care of the least amongst us

Bush doesn't have a clue these exist with his elitist upbringing. None at all. The Pope was anti capital punishment and anti pre-emptive strikes, and against the Iraqi war.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. No doubt in my mind that George Bush Jr has never read the Gospels at all.

No doubt.

[Fescue4u]

10. You let GWB do that to you?

///have actually turned away from the comfort I found in my own religion and spirituality, because of the way gwb et.al. has forced into the public arena.//


Why would you let that nitwit dictate your religion to you?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

17. I think it's something like guilt by association...

gwb keeps claiming to be Jesus's buddy, and I guess it finally got to me.

The only thing they have in common is their impact on the world. Jesus changed the world with his love and gwb is changing it with his arrogance and hate.

I was in the process of finding my own spiritual way and gwb and his minions polluted the process. However, you make an excellent point, and it is incumbent upon me to ignore their blatant attempts to associate every vile thing they do with Christ and focus on my own inner faith.

MKJ

[bling bling]

11. George Bush thinks he's President of the Jesus Fan Club.

Kinda funny that he doesn't live, act, or lead by Jesus' example. But with the Repubs, words speak louder than actions.

[LittleWoman]

12. GWB is the kind of Christian

who wants to be in the club, but does not want to follow the rule book.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Of course, the "jury is still out" on Evolution and Global Warming..

but on something like this, Bush has "no doubt".

I don't mean to belittle anyone's faith- really, I don't- but if as someone who believes in inquiry and free thought I can question everything from quantum mechanics to whether or not I'm really a head in a jar dreaming my entire life, it's fucking mind-boggling to me that Bush can't even acknowledge the wisdom in questioning his own faith or belief system; if for no other reason than making it stronger through occasional examination.

Of course, this is the guy who had "no doubt" about WMD's, also. No doubt in his mind? Shit, there's nothing else in there, either.

Fucking crackhead.

[kentuck]

15. It's time for Jesus to kick the money changers out of the White House

in my humble opinion.

[ewagner]

24. You're right, of course

It's time for Onward Christian Soldiers for all of us....time to take our faith back from the usurpers....

They only have power because we do nothing.

[tanyev]

16. Even for a Christian, that's a very strange way to phrase it.

"No doubt in my mind the Lord Christ was sent by the Almighty,"

Makes me think he's gone to an awful lot of trouble to learn all the lingo, but he doesn't really understand it or believe it.

[Zynx]

21. Yeah. That's not a statement of faith.

That's one of fact and that's telling of how shallow he is on this issue.

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. Lord Christ?

Doesn't Christ already mean 'Lord' ?

Isn't that like saying Lord Lord?

Shouldn't it be 'Lord Jesus' ?

[AntiCoup2K4]

31. "Christ" is actually more synonymous with "Messiah" than with "Lord"

But it is unusual to say "Lord" and "Christ" without "Jesus" in between.

[Sparkly]

19. So it's not even "FAITH" anymore -- it's certain "Fact."

Why does he even use the word "faith?"

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. Because it's a trigger word for the Sheeple.

As long as they hear about Junior's "faith" they're convinced that he can do no wrong. Of course they totally forget James 2:20 which says But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[leyton]

20. He's expressing his religious beliefs.

What exactly is the problem here? It is his prerogative as an individual. He does not have to believe in Judaism and Islam and Hinduism and Buddhism if he does not want to.

[Al-CIAda]

22. A retarded statement by a retarded man leading a retarded nation.

Good analysis above by all.

I too have no problem with his alleged belief (which we know is disengenuous) and the statement per se, All believers in their faith by consequence reject other 'messiahs'. This does not mean however you disrespect other faiths -or that you rule by theocratic dictate in a secular nation.

The 'no doubt in my mind' comment however does remind me immediately of his WMD BS statements.

He is doing great damage to the 'faith' by his exploitation of it.


What pisses me off most though is the claims that the US is a 'Christian Nation' -and that the 10 commandments are our foundation of law. This is complete and utter BULLSHIT. We have a SECULAR government. Our laws come from the Greek/Roman traditions, and Magna Carta. Whenever someone starts with the "Christian Nation" crap, I like to pull these quotes out-

Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short

Jefferson again:
Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.

More Jefferson:
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible?
Dunghill.

John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?

Also Adams:
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.

Here's Thomas Paine:
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).

Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.

Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance.

The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.

Finally let's hear from James Madison:
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote: Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.


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These men surely would NOT have allowed the Church to take over our government -and I believe would have jailed anyone who dared to try.

[Totally Committed]

26. Just proof he's not really the President of all the people...

Would it have killed him to add that he was sure that the Prophets, Mohammed, Krishna, Vishnu, Buddha and all the enlightened Masters were all "sent by the Almighty"?

Question: Is he just an insensitive dolt, or is his allegience to the extremist Fundamentalist "Christian" RW responsible for this quote? What do you all think?

TC

[seabeyond]

27. turned away from the comfort I found in my own religion

me too. i mean, me too. i do not see religion the same. i cannot experience it the same. i do not feel the same looking at a chruch now. even a simple god bless you doesnt bring me the lite anymore

[leesa]

28. He also had no doubt their were WMDs in Iraq.

[cheezus]

29. He had NO DOUBT THAT IRAQ HAD WMD

so uh, yeah

[opihimoimoi]

30. W uses religion as a TOOL to FOOL..if you can FOOL, you can RULE

Here is a man who does not / cannot read...with comprehension....

He does not know history nor the sciences....forget about Philosophies and great Men/Women who helped forge our Mankind to the point of near greatness....

Hence he is a DOLT of the 5th Magnitude.

If we were to have a SUPER BOWL of eloquent and wise speakers vying for the Prize...who would the Pubs have to speak for THEM? W?

RUSH? Sean Hannity, OReilly? Who?

For the Dems, I would put my money on Mario Cuomo.

He would clean their clocks. any and all of them.

And its only because the Pubs have nothing but BS to say....no real facts. Only distraction and deception.

Come, we go see the Kahuna, he is pissed about W and his recent "No Doubt thingy"

[Still_Loves_John]

33. I don't have a doubt...

It's the core of my religion. That doesn't mean I think that everyone else is going to hell or anything, but if I didn't believe that Jesus was sent here by God, I wouldn't be a Christian.

[sakabatou]

34. Jesus: the first Judaic reformist in Jewish history

As far as I know... But he was definitely not sent by God.

[SoCalifer]

35. I am sorry

But given the history of religions, especially Christendom, I cannot with a clear and moral conscience associate myself with them. It is also of my personal opinion that religions are just creations by men who sought to rule over other men. So it is furthermore my personal opinion that they (religions) are nothing more than the governments / politics of their time.

And even more so, as compared to today, religion was the politics of fear; and the politics of fear of course as you are aware, is the politics of control. This is why in my opinion that anybody who was intelligent enough, or in the church's opinion, insolent enough to challenge many inconsistencies and immoralities in the church's documents, policies or conduct - or to just simply do nothing more than reject the church; was branded a witch or a blasphemer and charged with heresy and sentenced to a barbarically torturous execution. If you are in the business of controlling people, you have to set an example of what happens to non-conformity -- Its God's Will Of Course... /sarcasm.

My humble apologies if I offend anybody with this: But the reason why I say "especially Christendom" is because there isn't anything that has cut an wider swath of death, destruction, torture and terrorism as Christendom has cut. And I am sorry, but (time) doesn't play a role of relevance with me in matters such as the list of atrocities Christendom (as well as other religions) are responsible for. Their modern-day respectability is one nevertheless based upon a long history of atrocities to establish them as a force. And I can no more bring myself to associate myself with such an organization as I could any other organization with such a blood stained history.

All of this though doesn't go without saying: I do not hold anything personal against anybody who's religious today based merely on the fact of them being religious. I am of course completely aware that the vast majority of religious people today (as well as in the past) are decent law abiding, hard working people; and as such, of course they have my respect. I am not against a person who was brought up to be religious. I am just against the religions themselves, as well as all the horrendous acts committed in their name.










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(Titus 3:4)

But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS MERCY.






(Numbers 31)

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (2) Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people...... (7) And they warred against the Midianites, as THE LORD COMMANDED Moses; and they slew all the males........ (9) And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. (10) And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.......

(14) And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. (15) And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

(16) Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

(17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. (18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

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And if I do not submit to this thing who is God (allegedly). Then no matter how much of a decent person I am, and no matter if I never harm another person; this thing (allegedly God) will damn me to hell to suffer unspeakable torture for eternity.

Now I don't know about anybody else (and again please accept my apologies if my comments offend you - it is not my intent or wish to offend anybody - its just to voice my opinion), but this thing (allegedly God) sounds a lot to me like someone who is a jealous, genocidal, hypocritical jack-ass.



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