JFK....Jim Garrison's accusations about the Gov't....

[jus_the_facts]

....watched Oliver Stone's JFK on DVD again recently..it wasn't too hard to realize that our current situation is a direct result of the death of JFK and the powers that be then laid the foundation for what's happening to our country and in the world today...it's all to clear in light of the truth's Jim Garrison fought to get on public record...the executives of so many super corps used to be upper echelon of the military industrial complex...who're today still raping the American way of life for their perpetual wars....and the billions they make each year from it....so many who were part of the cover up then are more powerful today...their illusions even more so...

What are your thoughts about the assassination of JFK and the ramifications and repercussions we've endured from our gov't as a result...


http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/jfkse.htm

http://www.jfk-online.com/garrison.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfkmovie.html

[firefox]

1. Kennedy wanted to dismantle the Federal Reserve

Banks own the Federal Reserve and Kennedy wanted to dismantle it. I just find it strange that it is not mentioned when listing the options for why he was killed.

[autorank]

2. firefox, WOW, can you get me a reference/link. Blows my mind.

I always thought it was for Cuba or Viet Nam or seeing the CIA for what it was back then. This is fascinating. Thanks.

[Zen Democrat]

5. Kennedy was killed by his domestic enemies.

For all the reasons that are still with us now -- that in toto can be defined as Fascism. It just took 40 years to become a fait accompli.

After they ACTUALLY took over, it took 40 years to brainwash the American people that they WANT fascism. With the brainwashing by the media, and the rise of Murdoch, Limbaugh, etc., they did it.

Remember, it was the media that covered up the truth of the assassination in 1963 and 1964, extending to present day. The cover-up was a complete failure and only succeeded because of the media's failure to inform the public.

The media has been stacked with intelligence operatives from the dark side since the 50's. Now they own it. Not a very pretty situation. The only thing that can change this is mass protest. MASS protests, because even a million people in the streets doesn't impress the Covert Media.

[hootinholler]

9. If a million people march on WDC

and the media doesn't cover it, did it happen?

If tens of thousands protest the GOP Convention in NYC and the media doesn't cover it, did it happen?

-Hoot

[Eloriel]

18. "TV - Where reality lives."

That's a phrase I picked up off a Brit discussion forum (which I really liked, but lost the link to in the meantime). THought it incredibly apt.

[tinanator]

73. tens of thousands?

sounds like a media estimate.

[jus_the_facts]

10. illusions of grandure....mind manipulation through the media......

....conditioning the masses to believe anything and do nothing... :nopity:

[Eloriel]

17. Might be in here

This is a superb online book (also available in published format) which shows a side of Kennedy I never knew about, and provides an incredible overview of the forces behind the assassination. I can't recommend it highly enough:

Farewell America by James Hepburn
http://www.jfk-online.com/farewell00.html

[punpirate]

27. Having read the portions having...

... to do with the assassination, the really creepy bit is the full-page ad with the black border in the Dallas Morning News, which the commission sort of glosses over as the work of three amateur right-wingers, and only once mentions who actually paid for the ad (notably, Nelson Bunker Hunt), and Gen. Edwin Walker never comes in for the sort of scrutiny by the commission that he deserved.

That Hepburn mentions that both H.L. Hunt and Edwin Walker had made plans to leave the country and meet in Mexico the day of the assassination is equally creepy.

[autorank]

46. Great, many thanks!!!

[jus_the_facts]

28. a deeper history of the US...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1095506

[autorank]

47. Thank you. Can't wait to get access to the full text.

[jus_the_facts]

4. The Pentagon....

....when Kennedy fired a few people and wrote a memo on how he was going to bring the troops out of Vietnam and restructure the military....those decisions and actions where to blame...big oil and military contractors IN TEXAS...decided the fate of America...and here we are at present...the same players with the same agenda...manipulating information...our present is a more sinister continuation of then...and people don't even see it...the conditioning of the people with the media has been their crowning achievement...and the war rages on...

[Debs]

29. Do you think its a coincidence?

TWO Presidents, minted money and borrowed from the government itself,instead of the federal reserve, with NO interest payments. Kennedy and Lincoln. Then BOTH of them were shot in the head?

[thecai]

52. Interesting Article About JFK...

I love the documentary about JFK, quite thought-provoking. Check this link: "What If JFK Weren't Assassinated?"
http://bankhonesty.com/jfk.shtml

[itcfish1]

67. He Also

wanted to do away with the CIA. So you have him destroying the CIA and the Federal Reseve (Rothchild). I would say he stepped on a few toes.

[patricia92243]

3. The Republican's didn't want a Kennedy dynasty. It doesn't matter who pu

pulled the trigger.

Oh, and a republican dynasty is more than OK - it is to be desired - gag

[fasttense]

6. I've always thought that organized crime killed him at the behest of the

repugs.

[jus_the_facts]

7. The Pentagon.....

....everything else is window dressing... :nuke:

[lenidog]

8. I always thought the Mob killed Kennedy at heir own behest

The rumour goes that Papa Kennedy go together with his old bootlegging friends a couple of weeks before the election and got them to get out the union vote. Which allowed Kennedy to win by his narrow margin. Then him and Bobby started going after the mob with guns blazing which pissed them off. SO in retaliation the offed JFK. The conspiracies that work the best are the ones that are the simplest. Garrison's problem is he got so paranoid that he believed everyone was in on it and he spun a conspiracy so complex that it would make Machiavelli's head spin. The problem is that his is so large and with so many players that one it probably wouldn't have worked and two if it actually did somwhere down the line something would ahve leaked out. No one is that good at keeping secrets especially in light of the fact that so many other things from that time have come to light.

[Dave Sund]

11. Something so elaborate

could not have been carried out solely by the mob, and if it were, Jack Ruby surely wouldn't have been allowed to live so long.

[lenidog]

12. You would be very surprised what the Mob can do though there is the

possibility that they were helped by a government agency or rogue elements in that agency. But to think that one could get the Mob, FBI, CIA, US Military, Cuban Exiles, Secret Service and members of the government together and have them carry out a successful plot to kill the president and then have no one talk about it or anything leak out is just ludicrous.

[Eloriel]

21. You can't leak or talk about it if you're dead -- and an amazing #

of people surrounding the events of that day died very early and sometimes totally bizarre and/or unexplained deaths.

Then too, a lot of people have an unproductive idea about how conspiracies work. In order for their to be chance of leaks, people have to think they've done wrong (and need to confess) AND there have to be media and other institutions willing to press the issues if there are leaks.

Here's a post I wrote about conspiracies (not very articulately, but perhaps the points will not be all that difficult to comprehend) and following that some other info I've collected on Conspiracies:

Conspiracies: Self-interest, fear, inertia, values
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5535&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes

Also see Information Architecture of Evil (read down) at http://www.zpluspartners.com/zblog/

Paranoid Shift
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html

Can huge conspiracies work? Or would someone talk?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1695698#1695780

The Magic Bullshit (Minstrel Boy)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2300021#2302016

QUOTE:
Many readers are naturally be inclined to gravitate toward the former when confronted with ideas considered "outside the box", therefore it is necessary to define the phrase "conspiracy theory".

The term "conspiracy theory" consists of two words, the active word being "theory". By definition, a theory is a concept, an idea, a proposal, a supposition. Example: "In theory, if I purchase a raffle ticket, I could win the prize." However, once the first ticket is purchased, winning is no longer a theory, but rather a possibility. The more tickets that are purchased, the more possible and eventually probable the win becomes. The same can be said about a conspiracy theory. As long as there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory, it remains a theory. Once however there is one piece of evidence to support the theory, no matter how flimsy or circumstantial it may be, the conspiracy is no longer a theory, but a possibility! And the more evidence there is that is gathered, the more possible and eventually probable the conspiracy becomes.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/report.htm

[jus_the_facts]

13. Oil...and Military Contracts.....

.....isn't it obvious...the mafia isn't in control of the gov't...Texas Oilmen and Milirary Contractors do!!!:think:

[lenidog]

15. The Mob doesn't have to be in control of the government outside of a

local level and are smart enough not to want the job. As for oil it wasn't a big deal back then because between us and the Brits we had the control. Libya, Iran, Iraq, all had our puppets, the oil companies in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were all American and British. Mexico and Venuzuela were no problems and the US was still pumping a lot of oil out of the ground. You have to view the world through the lenses of that time period not today. Everyone talks about the military complex wanting war in Vietnam to sell equipment. WHY!? Did they have a crystal ball to predict how long the war would last and how expensive it would be. Don't you think that arrogance would win out with such a crew and they would decide that since we are the US and one of the two most powerful nation on the planet that the war would be over in a few months. If it was going to be done that quickly do you think the would predict that many dollar signs in their future. Don't get me wrong Oswald was not the lone gunman and he had help from some powerful agent but when it comes to JFKs assasination paranoia gets a little to thick and tosses logic out the window. taking the topic from the realms of a serious attemtp to find out what happened to farce.

[jus_the_facts]

23. here's an interesting overview of the players involved in world events..

....an old link that shows a perspective and context of events in our history....the dots keep on connecting....no need for conspiracy...the same powers have been manipulating gov't for over a century and counting...use your illusion and believe what you will...everybody does... :nuke:

*snip*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1095506

DejaVu: A 'People's Deeper History of the United States.'

INTRODUCTION: Nothing much to say. I put this together for people (like me) who never think there's a reason to vote. I beg of you to relent! Being a citizen means being informed and aware, and you can start right here. Please read DejaVu, any of it, before you decide not to vote again in 2004. Pick a page, any page, and learn something about the vision of YOUR FUTURE held by our leaders. And even if you remain unconvinced that there's any threat, you'll at least be compelled to admit that DejaVu is a fascinating story.

Footnoting will eventually include almost every line in DejaVu; I hope to finish with that project by next year (I'm assembling the bibliography right now, due in another month).
Be as skeptical as you can while reading DejaVu. Scientific method demands it, and more than you can imagine is riding on it.

ONE: 1701-1900

The founding of Yale University;

second President almost destroys new republic;

handful of Southern racists attempts to destabilize Union, killing President Lincon and others;

first oil wells drilled for kerosene;

populist politics attempt to break stranglehold of industrial trusts;

Brown Brothers Harriman begins journey to pinnacle of investment world.

TWO: 1900-1920

George Bush's maternal and paternal great-grandfathers (Bush and Walker) found banking and investment firms and manufacture parts for Harriman's railroad empire;

Texas discovers big oil;

'Yale in China';

Teddy Roosevelt pushes progressive agenda- also forms the 'Bureau of Investigation' (BI) to investigate corrupt public land shemes sanctioned by corrupt Congress;

Business and government form AIC;

the first Bush to lie about military service;

WWI demonstrates world dependence on oil;

Bushes and Harrimans make war weapons and warships;

J. Edgar Hoover rises through ranks;

Ku Klux Klan re-forms;

American citizens embrace anti-immigrant and fascist ideologies;

Bushes, Walkers and Harrimans join forces;

Halliburton incorporates;

Iraq gives up the oil;

race riots sweep America.

THREE: 1920-1929

WWI allies carve up Middle East;

while the '20s roar, American fascist groups gain in size and popularity;

Attorney General Palmer rounds up thousands of European Jews, radicals, and progressives for arrest and deportation;

the Red Scare;

Prescott Bush marries into Walker family and fortune;

Henry Ford publishes anti-semitic lit;

Dulles brothers (future Bush friends and CIA/National Security directors, etc) are legal counsel to the Nazis;

the Republican Teapot Dome oil scandal;

Bush, Walker and Harriman shipping line smuggles German agents, Nazi propaganda, and money for bribing American politicians;

Union Banking Corp founded by Bush/Harriman to funnel money to Nazi industrialists;

J. Edgar Hoover heads BI;

Stock Market, de-regulated by the Republican government, collapses under its own corruption.

FOUR: 1931-1939

Special Committee on Un-American Activities begins to investigate anti-semitic literature, fascist groups and Nazi propaganda in US;

Prescott Bush gains controlling interest in CBS;

Howard Hughes;

J. Edgar Hoover manipulates press and politicians, lives the high life;

Hitler enters government with legal help from Dulles brothers and financial help of Bush/Harriman;

the spread of 'Christian Fascist' groups;

radio evangelism broadcasts hatred of Jews, Communism and Roosevelt;

all Nazi commerce with US coordinated through Harriman International Co;

"deranged loner" tries to shoot Roosevelt;

Socal, later Unocal, obtains exclusive oil concession in new desert Kingdom of Saudi Arabia;

Hitler's full-blown plan to 'Germanize' America;

Hoover ruins FBI hero Melvin Purvis;

Polish government fights Bushes, Harrimans and Nazi stockholders for control of Poland's largest industry- Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company;

young law student Richard Milhous Nixon recruited by NY law firms of Dulles brothers and Bill Donovan (first head of American intelligence);

German groups boycott Jewish merchants in US;

freshman Congressman Lyndon Johnson slides lucrative contracts to campaign financiers Brown & Root, who later merge with Halliburton;

Leo Strauss' Machiavellian neo-conservative ideologies;

Jewish mobsters combat anti-semites;

pro-Nazi Rep. Martin Dies replaces head of Un-American Activities Committee and compiles extensive blacklist of liberals and anti-fascists;

German-American Nazi camps spring up in small-town America;

right-wing Congressmen and Senators use offices to disseminate pro-Hitler, pro-fascist literature, to visit with Nazi propagandists, and to publicly support Nazi regime while condemning Roosevelt administration;

Hitler invades Poland.

FIVE: 1940-1944

Britain goes to war against Germany;

big business interests like Bush, Kennedy, et al, pressure Roosevelt to stay out of war;

Nixon falls in love with Cuba and United Fruit Co;

Nazi Germany manipulates Republican and Democrat party platforms;

Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, Herbert Hoover, Patrick Buchanan (future Nixon speechwriter), Gerald Ford, the head of Sears & Roebuck, a future President of Yale, CIA agents, pro-Nazis- including Silver Shirts and Klan members- and nearly a million members, etc, help form America First Committee, mouthpiece of pro-Nazi propaganda (heirs of the financial backers of this committee will later finance anti-Clinton smear campaigns);

Nixon joins Navy;

Brown & Root receives first military contracts;

Roosevelt establishes OSS;

Harriman given Ambassadorship;

Prescott Bush's partner appointed Assistant Secretary of Air War, advocates terror-bombing of civilians;

Pearl Harbor;

'Yale in China' an intelligence front;

Congress investigates at least twenty members of the House receiving money from the Nazis- lead whistle-blower dies in plane crash;

Roosevelt seizes three Bush/Harriman companies doing business with Nazis;

Hoover bails out corrupt ex-FBI Republican bagman, who later dies in a plane crash;

George Bush Sr uses family connections to become Navy's youngest fighter pilot;

United Fruit Co oppresses Guatemala;

Joesph Kennedy Jr dies in plane crash.

SIX: 1945-1950

Roosevelt dies, Truman (another despised 'liberal') takes over;

US drops 'the bomb' on a Japan that had tied to surrender;

Richard Nixon returns from Navy and connects to Dulles brothers;

organized illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine swells Jewish population there;

a 'selection committee' of Eastern banking interests, including Bush/Harriman, and California mobsters like Mickey Cohen, offer to underwrite a Nixon campaign for Congress;

Hoover offers Nixon FBI resources;

George Bush Sr goes to work for Dresser Industries (later a Halliburton Co);

Truman further organizes US intelligence under CIA;

Big Oil Texans court Hoover;

Brown & Root builds offshore oil platforms;

Harriman works on the Marshall Plan;

Nixon elected after dirtiest campaign in memory, gains national exposure accusing Alger Hiss of spying;

the Red Scare intensifies, fueled by Hoover and Republican politicos bent on majority status;

corrupt and alcoholic Joe McCarthy, friend of Nixon, hijacks HUAC for Republican gain in the coming elections;

JFK, who donated to Nixon's second campaign, rejects Nixon after seeing his harsh, unethical tactics;

the Harrimans and Bushes begin to sever their ties;

Bohemia Grove;

George Bush Sr forms an oil company;

Prescott Bush loses a bid for Connecticut Congressman;

Joe McCarthy a big hit in Texas.

SEVEN: 1951-1959

Iran nationalizes oilfields;

first Bush to win a special election;

source of Nixon's funding becomes potential scandal;

Nixon TV-spins reality;

Allen Dulles becomes director of CIA (leaving Gulf Oil of Latin America);

Texas oil money compromises Hoover, Nixon;

CIA helps overthrow Iranian leader, installs puppet;

CIA inreases destabilizing activities throughout Latin America;

US military overthrows Latin governments hostile to United Fruit Co;

B-actor Ronald Reagan an FBI informant;

Eisenhower sends American 'advisors' to Vietnam (mostly special-ops and CIA);

Reverend Moon founds a church;

Prescott Bush, LBJ serve together on Senate Armed Services Committee;

CBS and CIA;

McCarthy loses FBI's support- he's discredited, but 50% of Americans still admire him;

Lee Harvey Oswald joins Civil Air Patrol;

George Bush Sr begins drilling offshore (Brown & Root builds the platforms);

young Robert Kennedy busts Nixon's campaign strategist for bribery and influence peddling;

Hoover increases spying on civilians;

Hoover bets horse through mob;

Hoover morphs 'Red Scare' into 'Black Menace' to discredit civil rights movement;

US corporations and mobsters own Cuba;

Saddam Hussein joins Ba'ath Party;

Manuel Noriega recruited as CIA asset;

Texas oil funds Nixon and Johnson;

Nixon expected to win '60 Presidential election;

Eisenhower warns about the “military-industrial complex” subverting government;

Oswald leaves top-secret Marine post (charting U2 flights over USSR) and defects to Russia;

Robert Kennedy attacks organized crime.

EIGHT: 1960-1962

Howard Hughes funds CIA ventures in exchange for business favors, rents islands to CIA for Cuba invasion training;

George Bush Sr begins intelligence career, has drilling platforms in these islands;

FBI memo states someone impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald;

CIA uses mob to get Castro, plans invasion;

same mobsters finance Nixon's campaign;

JFK wins Pesidency by thinnest margin ever, thanks to 100,000 votes delivered by Chicago mobsters;

American newspapers expose US plans to invade Cuba- New York Times claims "Mr. B of the CIA" is in charge;

Kennedy finds out about CIA Bay of Pigs plans, vows US will never invade Cuba;

Bobby Kennedy publicly disrespects J. Edgar Hoover;

Bay of Pigs invasion fails miserably;

JFK fires Dulles, shuts down CIA training camps;

Prescott Bush commiserates with friends the Dulles'; Brown & Root gets billion dollar Vietnam contract;

Kennedys infuriate radical right-wing oilmen, Hoover, mob and CIA;

FBI begins to blackmail White House with threat of 'leaks' about Kennedy sex exploits;

JFK plans to enforce Hoover's mandatory retirement (age 70) next year;

civil rights face violent social and political resistance;

racist Democrats flee to Republican camp;

Oswald gets special dispensation to renew US citizenship, returns unharassed by CIA or FBI;

Brown & Root bought by Halliburton.

NINE: 1963- JFK Assassination

JFK negotiates with Russia;

Bobby Kennedy guns for mobster who delivered for JFK;

Colin Powell goes to jungle;

Saddam Hussein tortures, probably for CIA;

Kennedy attempts to end oil tax breaks;

televised images of US racist brutality stuns world- Dr. Martin Luther King accuses FBI of complicity;

Kennedy publicly supports Civil Rights (three weeks later, a church bombing kills four black girls);

King marches on DC;

Colin Powell develops amoral 'overwhelming force' doctrine during search and destroy missions;

George Bush Sr chairs Houston Republican Party;

JFK gestures peace to Castro;

withdraws 1000 'advisors' (essentially portrayed in the press as military 'teachers' of Vietnamese, but really special forces troops and CIA mercenaries engaging in destabilizing actions), plans all troops home by '65;

Hoover smears Dr. King among members of House;

US has South Vietnamese leader assassinated;

JFK removes CIA's covert combat authority;

George Bush Sr sues Texas Governor John Connelly to force approval of a new Republican district (where Bush himself will run for Senator);

JFK asassination threat in Miami;

Clint Murchison's house party on assassination eve;

Kennedy killed in Dallas (Texas Governor John Connelly is also shot, and cries out, “My God, they’re going to kill us all!”);

Oswald arrested in Howard Hughes' Texas Theater, says he's just a patsy, and is shot next day by FBI/mob liason Jack Ruby;

Johnson appoints Waren Commission, stopping all other investigations;

Allen Dulles is defacto head of Commission;

Hoover tries to block Time magazine from crowning Dr. King 'Man of the Year.'

TEN: 1964-1969

LBJ appoints Hoover FBI 'Director for Life';

Allen Dulles' friend/publisher of Life buys 8mm film of JFK assassination (public won't see film for five years);

Bush Sr runs for Senate against Civil Rights, for Cuban invasion; Rev. Moon hq's in US;

enraged Hoover tries to block Dr. King's Nobel Peace prize, sends letter urging suicide (wiretaps record compromising sex activity);

LBJ signs Civil Rights Act, so Klan lynches Lemuel Penn;

Bush pushes escalation of war, including use of nukes;

Bush Oil drills in Latin America and Middle East, accusations of tax avoidance taint prospects;

Ted Kennedy runs for Senate- plane crashes en route to Democratic Convention, breaking his back, killing two;

Bush claims free enterprise eliminates poverty;

Nixon campaigns for Bush;

Bobby Kennedy runs for NY Senator;

opponents assail Bush for mounting “the greatest spending spree ever seen in any political campaign”;

Bush responds with Nixon-style dirty tricks;

Kennedys win Senate seats, Bush Sr loses, blames black voters;

Soviet defector has info for Warren Commission, but CIA imprisons, interrogates, tortures him for three years;

Warren Commission releases report, blames Oswald, finds no motive;

CIA creates Gulf of Tonkin incident, leaving Johnson with war powers;

LBJ feeds Vietnam contracts to Halliburton;

civil rights workers killed by Klan;

massive bombing of North Vietnam begins;

Malcom X shot;

Bush wins redistricting lawsuit- Supreme Court affirms district made of areas where Bush is popular;

after Voting Rights Act passes, Dr. King protests Vietnam war;

Eisenhower, others lend their names to Moonie-related enterprise;

majority of Democrats led by Johnson enact a "progressive tidal wave" unmatched since Teddy Roosevelt's term- in four years poverty is halved, wage disparity between CEO/worker reaches historical low;

Bush Sr runs unchallenged for Congressman of new district: “I want conservatism to be sensitive and dynamic," but mocks Civil Rights leaders and anti-war protestors;

Rev. Jerry Falwell condemns civil rights and defends segregation as "God's Order";

Republicans appeal to Southern bigotry, Northern fear of societal breakdown, gain 47 House seats in midterm races;

20-year old Bill Clinton enters politics fighting campaign of notorious Arkansas racist, creates lifelong racist enemies;

CIA's crazy experiments;

Bush hires advertiser to run campaign- approach is "politicians are celebrities, issues will play no role";

Bush wins election and unprecedented freshman appointment to most influential committee (where he can affect oil tax legislation);

mainstream press attacks Dr. King's anti-war stance;

Hoffa goes to prison;

Colin Powell works Nam intelligence and protects superiors from reports of US atrocities (including My Lai massacre);

George Bush Jr at Yale;

New Orleans DA Garrison tires to expose Warren Commission inequities;

DC panics as King plans a massive 'poor people's march', with vows to stay until certain legislation is passed;

Tet offensive exposes White House lie that US is winning war;

Nixon/Republicans help finance pro-war Moonie youth groups;

Roger Ailes, future Fox News exec, hired by Nixon as media strategist;

Osama bin Laden's father dies in plane crash;

George Bush Jr uses connections to enter Air National Guard special unit ahead of list, despite near-failing scores;

Ross Perot/Howard Hughes feed money to Nixon for future business favors;

Nixon/Kissinger secretely undermine LBJ's Vietnam peace talks before election;

Martin Luther King is killed;

Bobby Kennedy's progressive campaign for President is a phenomenon in modern politics, but he's shot and killed two months after King;

Daniel Ellsberg releases Pentagon Papers- Nixon tries to destroy him;

Powell works for Nixon and meets mentors Frank Carlucci/Caspar Weinberger;

Rev. Moon receives public accolades from right-wing Republican leaders.

ELEVEN: 1970-1974

Nixon makes Bush an offer;

Nixon plans right-biased media;

Bush receives Nixon funds but loses Senate race;

Bush upset over John Connelly's intelligence committee post;

Bush Jr dates Nixon's daughter;

Chile nationalizes its oil and banking industries;

Bush becomes UN Ambassador (after Nixon's choice declines), under Henry Kissinger;

Richard Cheney becomes White House aide;

Hoover becomes increasingly unstable- Nixon looks for safe way to oust him;

four students killed at Kent State;

Nixon commutes Hoffa's sentence;

Bush's oil partner delivers nearly a million dollars cash to Nixon's campaign;

Saddam Hussein, ruler of Iraq, nationalizes oil industry;

CIA destabilizes Chile and Iraq (by agitating the Kurds);

Bush defends escalation of Vietnam to UN;

3rd party candidate George Wallace is shot;

Lucianna Goldberg (later of Monica Lewinsky fame) hired by Nixon to sex spy on McGovern’s campaign;

Nixon ‘sells’ overnights in Lincoln Bedroom;

Hoover gets unusal late night call from Nixon, is found dead in a.m.- buried immediately without autopsy, his house stripped and searched top to bottom;

burglars (all CIA assets) arrested in Watergate Hotel;

military begins drug testing, Bush Jr stops showing up for physicals, is suspended;

shortly before elections, Rep. Hale Boggs disappears in apparent plane crash in Alaska;

Watergate scandal kept low-profile as Nixon wins re-election;

E. Howard Hunt blackmails Nixon until plane carrying his wife (and energy CEO's upsetting the Attorney General) crashes and kills all;

Nixon appoints own operatives to investigate crash;

Nixon gets signed resignations from entire cabinet but George Bush, whom he tells Kissinger "will do anything for us";

Rev. Moon uses call girls to compromise US Senators;

Deep Throat warns Watergate investigators: “everybody’s life is in danger,” Bush Sr, now head of the RNC, is charged with deflecting Watergate blame from Nixon;

Arab nations form OPEC, challenging US and UK;

Pinochet, with CIA help, terrorizes Chile;

House Judiciary Committee, including young and vocal attorney named Hillary Rodham, investigates impeachment of Nixon;

Rev. Moon and followers publicly support Nixon in national demonstrations;

Karl Rove, head of College Republicans, helps Bush Sr paint Watergate as political witch hunt;

Bush appointed Ambassador to China;

the 'smoking gun' White House tapes released, exposing Nixon's guilt;

Bush writes Nixon, urges resignation, promises image rehabilitation;

Gerald Ford, with close ties to US intelligence, is first vice-president and President to take office without being elected to either;

Bush and disgraced Nixon blame 'liberal media' on downfall;

Gerald Ford pardons Nixon, essentially ending all further investigations;

William Simon vows 'never again', sets out on a 20-year odyssey to create a right-wing media friendly to neo-con/Straussian politics.

TWELVE: 1975-1979

In reaction to Watergate, House subcommitties investigate government and CIA, FBI, other security organizations;

Church Committee focuses on CIA covert assassination actions;

CIA Director William Colby is cooperative, so Donald Rumsfeld engineers his firing;

Bush Sr appointed new CIA Director (after Ford's choice declines) to much protest in Congress;

CIA stymies and stalls investigative committees;

Noriega running guns/dope while being handled by Bush Sr;

mobster Sam Giancana is killed five days before scheduled testimony concerning CIA/Castro plots;

Kissinger investing capital in the West Bank;

US- educated team of Chilean economists revamps Chile according to neo-con free maket principles- Chile becomes the most unstable economy in Latin America;

CIA admits many experiments have resulted in injury or death to scientists, civilians;

“Squeaky” Fromme attempts to kill President Ford;

Sarah Jane Moore, ex-FBI informant, tries to shoot Ford 17 days later;

Dick Cheney is White House Chief of Staff;

Moonies open 'education centers';

Saddam Hussein wins UNESCO award for improving life quality and literacy levels of Iraqis;

Bin Laden construction firm one of largest in the Middle East, benefits from Saudi largesse and Western capital;

Church Committee learns that hundreds of journalists across the nation and world are CIA assets- Bush refuses to provide names;

House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) appointed to re-examine evidence in both JFK and Martin Luther King killings;

Bush's CIA buys planes from Bush Jr's friend, and finances deals through infamously corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI);

Chuch Committe concludes: "...the investigation of the (JFK) assassination was grossly deficient, and facts which might have substantially affected the course of the investigation were not provided the Warren Commission";

Ford and Bush try to bury the Pike Committee report, but Daniel Schor leaks it;

Behind 'Koreagate' is Rev. Moon and Korean CIA;

Bush's CIA destabilizes Jamaica, tries to assassinate Bob Marley;

Bush sets up CIA think tank to spin intelligence showing US weapons deficiencies which don't exist;

Bush Sr busted for dunk driving while head of CIA;

Carter wins Prediency and immediately removes Bush from CIA;

Congress investigates Rev. Moon;

HSCA calls gangster Santos Trafficante, who pleads the 5th on all questions concerning JFK's asassination;

Bush Jr begins oil company;

four of seven Warren Commission counsels officially and publicly express doubts about Warren Commission Report;

Bush Jr loses his first Congressional race;

HCSA subpoenas Oswald benefactor (who commits suicide by gunshot four hours later) and Assistant to FBI Director William Sullivan (who dies of a gunshot wound, while hunting, shortly before testimony);

Jimmy Carter applies trade sanctions against Iraq because of human rights violations, takes Panama's Noriega off the payroll;

Iran throws out CIA's Shah and takes American hostages;

Bush possibly arranges for Iran to hold US hostages until after the '80 election;

Jerry Falwell and other US religious leaders file court briefs in defense of Reverend Moon.

THIRTEEN: 1980-1986....much much more... :think:

[Debs]

30. As it said in the movie JFK

Could the mob have changed Kennedys parade route? Could the mob have pulled the military presence from the city of Dallas? Could the mob have made the Warren Commission intimdate witnesses and ignore evidence? Made them botch the autopsy? NO, the mob might have been involved but no way could they have pulled all the strings that were pulled before or afterwards. Gov involvement, no way around it

[imenja]

59. Perhaps the Mob.

The mob-Cuban connection is the only one that strikes me as plausible. Kennedy was a moderate Democrat. He dramatically cut taxes on the rich and was an avid cold warrior. There was nothing remotely threatening about him from the point of view of establishment America.

I have my own theory that this insistence that Kennedy's assassination was a right wing plot is an expression of frustration over the poverty of leadership in the Democratic party. It also reflects frustration over the rise of the Right in American politics. People create an ideal past, with JFK as savior, in which the great traumas of American history since 1963 never existed: no Vietnam, no Nixon, no Watergate, no Reagan, no Bush. A mythical past, lead by this hero that they have refashioned into a leftist radical when he was in reality an establishment, centrist politician.

[jus_the_facts]

62. your theory excludes the facts and recorded documents......

....that are available in hindsight...he'd fired top members of the Pentagon and was poised to destructure the military industrial complex which had been established since WWI and became most powerful amid WWII...the mob/cuban ties were just pawns in the greater picture of what was happening then and who's still in control of the planet now...the tactics they used to keep us in Veitnam are the same today with Iraq.....and they've cemented our fates once again to continue their agendas..the reality of the world at present is directly tied to the history of ago....you must see thru the illusions they've attempted to dilute reality with...it's all there in plain sight if you focus on the bigger picture of the PROFITS made and by whom....the media's role in forming public opinion about Oswald/MOB/CUBANS are exactly the SAME as the OSAMA/TALIBAN/TERRORISTS angle....workin' like charm isn't it?

The MILITARY has created their monsters....they spent the time between the Cuban Missle Crisis and today training and arming our nemisis...and the profits keep rollin' in for the players of yesteryear...today.

[H2O Man]

63. In fairness

he wasn't going to "destroy" the military industrial complex. JFK was big on defense. However, he was going to make significant changes in it, including reducing some of its direct influence on the politics of the day. And, of course, the CIA was going to be reduced in stature, and brought under control.

JFK was a tough man. He wasn't anti-military, or at all willing to risk US security, as he saw it, in any way. In fact, because he recognized certain things within the country as posing the most severe threat to a constitutional government, and he had the balls to confront them, he was removed.

[jus_the_facts]

64. I stated he was going to restructure it....never said *destroy*......

....or that he was going to *do away with the military*....I completely agree with your assessment....just reading something more into what I said I'm afraid. :hi:

[H2O Man]

65. My error.

Sorry .... I must need more coffee. I read "destructure" and thought you said otherwise. You are absolutely right.

[imenja]

76. who are they?

"he'd fired top members of the Pentagon and was poised to destructure the military industrial complex which had been established since WWI and became most powerful amid WWII.....the tactics they used to keep us in Veitnam are the same today with Iraq.....and they've cemented our fates once again to continue their agendas.."

Are they in your analysis the military? Are you actually arguing that we are in Iraq because of the military? You must know that is not the case. And you must know that Kennedy increased the American presence in Vietnam over it's levels under Eisenhower. A brief look through any American history textbook will tell you that. Remember than Robert MacNamara was a Kennedy appointee. Kennedy was a Cold War hawk, far closer to the neo-cons than are most contemporary Democrats. The Cold War was enormously profitable for defense industries and Kennedy helped them reap those profits.


Rumsfeld has also shaken up the Pentagon and early in the Bush administration announced plans to completely restructure the military. He and Bush remain in power, despite the fact they are very much resented by many non-civilians in the Pentagon.

One strength of the American political system is that the military is clearly subordinate to the executive. That sadly has not been the case in some parts of the world, Latin America, for example, during a good part of the twentieth century.

I find the rest of your post incompressible. You refer to "the media" and terrorism. Have you taken a few minutes to ponder on what "the media" was in 1963? We had three networks, and the news coverage was nothing like that which dominates today. From our perspective, the news would have seemed quite liberal.

Assassinations do not come out of the ether. They are plotted by particular individuals and groups. Who is this media that you think killed Kennedy or orchestrated the cover up? Walter Cronkite? Eric Sevaride? Edward R. Murrow? Or their employers? And you must count among them the hundreds of Kennedy historians, living fat off the hog on their 40-50k salaries. And of course the Kennedy family themselves. Is Edward Kennedy also part of this right-wing cabal that eliminate his brother and covers up this "reality" to which you refer? Whose profits were in any way impeded by JFK? You seem to imagine there is some amorphous force responsible for all evil in the world--presidential assassinations, the media, terrorism, Osama Bin Laden. None of this suffices to explain who killed Kennedy. For that you need to demonstrate an actual criminal conspiracy, of the sort that have been documented against Salvador Allende, Jacobo Arbenz, and Joao Goulart. In the case of Allende, there is a clearly documented evidentiary trail between the Nixon administration, the CIA, ITT, and the Chilean military. Similar evidence exists for the coups that ousted Arbenz and Goulart.

So again I return to my question. Who are they? And what would they find so offensive in the presidency of a multi-millionaire who delivered to the wealthiest Americans billions of dollars in tax revenues?

Lastly, none of what you say in no way contradicts my theory of why the idea of a JFK conspiracy is so present among some on the left. Your post instead provides evidence of exactly what I describe. Conspiracies such as the one you articulate provide the comfort of simplicity. If we imagine one nefarious group--your "they"--is responsible for all misfortune that besets humanity, we don't have to understand the rather complex and disorderly nature of the world we live in. We don't have to undertake a serious examination of the international capitalist system, and the varying ways in which the wealthy have devised political systems that legitimate their control in most nations throughout the world. If your "they" are responsible for terrorist acts against Americans, you don't have to fact the fact that as an American you are hated because of the kinds of policies your government--Democratic and Republican administrations alike--have implemented abroad. You can blame "they" rather than acknowledging that we as American voters and consumers have blood on our hands, because our tax dollars pay for mass murder and our consumption comes at the cost of human lives. The idea that JFK did or might have done anything to change any of this strikes me as highly unlikely.

Like all American presidents, Kennedy had his strengths and weaknesses. His handling of the Cuban Missile crisis earns him an important place in history. Had another man, of say George Bush's character, been in office at that time, it's quite possible that none of us would be around to discuss any of this.

[Zen Democrat]

70. Like Garrison said "Did the Mob appoint the Warren Commission?"

Did the mob change the parade route?

Did the mob appoint the forensic pathologists to do the autopsy at Bethesda? (Men who had never before done an autopsy of a gunshot victim.)

Did the mob fake the autopsy photographs?

It goes on and on. The mob involvement was limited to the mob's involvement with domestic CIA operations.

[BringEmOn]

14. It started with the attempted coup by fascist industrialists

against FDR in the 30's. Once they were able to get to JFK and the sheeple swallowed the Warren Commission report, it's been downhill from there.

[lenidog]

16. Those are two totally different things

and how would they stage this coup? They had neither the House or the Senate, the supreme court was packed with FDR appointed justices and LBJ became president and if not for Vietnam would have run for a second term and probably won. Then to top it off Bobby would probably have been next if he hadn't have been shot. Also by the early 70s, eighty percent of the population no longer believed in the Warren Report. Not exactly territory conducive for a coup.

[BringEmOn]

19. Google Smedley Butler

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881—June 21, 1940), nicknamed "Old Gimlet Eye," was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and at the time of his death the most decorated marine in U.S. history. Butler was twice the recipient of the Medal of Honor, one of only 19 to be so honored; he is noted for his outspoken left-wing views and his book War is a Racket, one of the first works describing the military-industrial complex. An immensely popular figure in the United States at the time, Butler led the Bonus Army and came forward to the U.S. Congress in 1933 to reveal a plot to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


http://www.answers.com/topic/smedley-butler

Notice that I highlighted "military-industrial complex" Why did LBJ escalate the war in Vietnam?

"Bobby would probably have been next if he hadn't have been shot"
Why was Bobby shot?

Does it matter if 100% of the people now do not believe the Warren Report? We're no closer to knowing what really happened. It's been successfully covered up.

Forward to 2005. Who's in control of the Executive and Legislative and much of the Judicial branches? The news media? Looks a lot like a coup to me.

[jus_the_facts]

20. No they aren't...an industrialist in the 30's was Prescott Bush.....

....who's company Brown Harriman in WWII sold chemicals to the Nazi's...who's son later was promoted within the CIA after his actions in Dallas the day Kennedy was assassinated....who's retarded grandson is now reigning over the military industrial complex that rules the planet...cemented our fates yet again with the Patriot Act...Homeland Security and a purpetual war with terrorists patsy's they've created over the years within the CIA...all connected through OIL and WAR profits...Kennedy was poised to make drastic change within the Pentagon to break down the military industrial complex...instead they killed him and the Bushes and their partners in crime and treason have total control of our gov't...

[Eloriel]

22. Oh, dear, jtf, you're gonna make me pull out some more of my links

aren't you?

BTW, you're the only other person I've seen (besides me) at DU to express the sentiment you did in your OP. I think the Kennedy assassination was the BEST of our "last chances" for routing the corrupt fascists from our government, and the Bush scandals of the 80s the other (S&L, Iran Contra, even The October Surprise). They were thoughly emboldened by what they got away with re Kennedy, and of course learned a lot in the process too.

ONE of the things they learned was that "accidents" (viz. small plane crashes) were a lot more palatable to the general populace than assassinations, and a lot easier to cover up too. Probably way easier to set up and implement as well.

Oops - forgot the links:

Reality 501: A DU Course Syllabus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6920&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


REALITY 501: Course Syllabus Special Addendum - The 60s
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=14030&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


Reality 501: Syllabus UPDATE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=8535&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


The US, the Saudis, and oil (a piece of Eloriel's Big Picture)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=8558&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes



Reality 501: Course Syllabus (first, preliminary draft)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6873&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


The Way Things Really Are -- MUST READING esp. for new DUers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1452106

[jus_the_facts]

24. I'll add this link....a perspective and context of players and history...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1095506


Thanks for your post and information!! The bigger picture isn't too hard to see is it?!! :hi:

[bearfan454]

68. You have a very good grasp of the facts jus_the_facts.

Very good.

[jus_the_facts]

71. thanks bearfan....

:hi:

[Chomp]

25. The Stone movie

is so dishonest it ruins any constructive debate.

Better find info elsewhere.

[Name removed]

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[Debs]

31. I read Garrisons book

When I saw the movie I didnt even see anything contorversial except the things Donald Sutherland said. Later I heard Fletcher Proudy, on KPFK, freespeech radio, and he confirmed everthing Sutherland said in the movie. Sutherland basically played Proudy. He said he still has the newspaper from Christchurch New Zealand in his safe in his study right now. You are calling it dishonest exactly WHAT was in the movie that was inaccurate?

[Zynx]

33. Fletcher Proudy has large....issues.

He comes up with all sorts of theories about many, many things - the vast majority of which are complete nonesense.

[H2O Man]

35. Not sure about Proudy ....

but L. Fletcher Prouty is a good source.

[Zynx]

57. See post #56 regarding him and oil....

He's a crackpot.

And I meant Prouty. My post was in reference to the fact that I've heard of his interesting "thoughts" on oil before.

There also is some UFO stuff there. You really might want to read this guy before citing him as a "good" example.

[Zynx]

32. You really don't want to use the JFK movie for information

It's horrible with its number of complete mistakes and falsehoods, and Stone's whole purpose was to have a counter-myth, not to be factually accurate at all.

[H2O Man]

34. While it mixes some myth in

and certainly isn't a documentary, parts of the movie are accurate. The scene with Mr. X in the park, while it didn't occure that way, contains information that is absolutely correct. The movie is not "horrible"; but it should be recognized as a movie, not a documentary.

[jus_the_facts]

37. What information well do you draw your conclusions from....

....care to provide any examples of those myth ridden inaccuracies in Stones portrayal of Garrison's investigation?

[tinanator]

74. I bet it would be easy for you to list them

or just some, right?
typing hurt your fingers?
spit it out.

-but if I was gonna bet, Id say nary a peep outaya.

[stillcool]

36. All conspiracies lead to....

Texas! And, i have come to the conclusion that the reason for any 'commission' to be established, is to create credibility where none exists.

[H2O Man]

38. It's interesting to note

page 211 of "Man of the House," the political memoirs of Tip O'Neill. He says that he never believed there was a conspiracy until 1968, when he was having dinner with Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers. They talked about 11-22-63, and both men told Tup that they had definitely, without any possibility of a doubt, heard gun shots coming from the grassy knoll. O'Neill asked them why they hadn't told the Warren Commission? They explained that the FBI told them that it was important that they lie to the Warren Commission.

On face value, a person can figure if two of Kennedy's closest friends were told by the FBI to lie to the Warren Commission, the goal was not to find the truth about what happened in Dallas.

Those who think that it is possible to read between the lines in a book by O'Neill might think it interesting this topic was discussed in 1968.

[jus_the_facts]

39. The extras on the DVD had an interview with Tip O'Neil.....

...where he's talking about it....the director's cut has many interviews with the actual people involved with the Garrison investigation.

[H2O Man]

40. Tip O'Neill was a interesting character.

I think that events in 1968, including that dinner conversation, changed his view of how this country was run.

[MrSlayer]

41. If you've ever visited the Grassy Knoll you know Oswald didn't act alone.

If at all. Just within the first few seconds of being there you can see the official story is absolute, utter bullshit and physically impossible. As to who did it, I believe it was a CIA operation done at the behest of the MIC carried out because Kennedy didn't want to expand the operations in Vietnam into a full blown war and because he also saw who really pulled the strings in Washington and was going to dismantle them. Ruby was allowed to assassinate Oswald because he was telling the truth and would have exposed the wider conspiracy.

[kenny blankenship]

42. If you've ever fired

a gun into... well just about anything at all, you'd know without needing anyone to explain it that if there was a shooter behind the fence on the "grassy knoll", he MISSED!

Grassy knoll=big waste of time, and complete CT-nut magnet.

[MrSlayer]

43. I'm refferring to the area not so much as the spot.

The overpass is a more likely spot for the assassins though the knoll does have it's advantages. The fatal head shot definitely came from a foward position and not behind.

[kenny blankenship]

44. Which is why the hole in the back of JFK's head

is so much smaller than the hole towards the front of his head, right?

[H2O Man]

45. It came from the knoll.

Anyone who has shot anything large with a gun could tell you there is no question about it. None.

[kenny blankenship]

48. Small problem for you

The exit wound of the fatal shot is clearly on the right side of Kennedy's head and the Zapruder film makes clear that he was not twisting his neck and head around sharply to his left at the moment of impact. No wound was present on the left side of the head, neither the front nor the back. (Nor were any bullet fragments found in the interior rear driver side of the car, but then that bit of information came from the FBI so you'd want to discount it, I expect.) If the fatal shot had come from the knoll you'd expect to see a blowout somewhere of the LEFT rear of Kennedy's head. That's not present. The shot could have come from well in front, or behind, but there's no way POSSIBLE it came from "the knoll", neither the pergola nor the fence. Any hunter, anyone with military experience, anybody who'd ever plinked tin cans with a .22, should immediately sense that the shot came from some side OTHER than the side of the head that exploded. (Actually anyone could figure it out, but people used to observing the effects of bullets on bodies should understand it at once.) It could come from the left, or from the fore or rear, but not from the right. Since there is no wound at all on the left side of the head, a shot from the left is ruled out, and that leaves ONLY well in front or behind, on the passenger side of the limo's center axis (right side, as viewed from behind). And since the rear defect of the skull is much smaller than the large blowout of the right parietal temporal area, that means the shot was fired from behind.

[dflprincess]

53. Didn't the doctors at Parkland

say there was a large (exit) wound in the right occipital (sp) area?

I liked Stone's film. I believe he made it more to get people talking about the assassination and questioning the official story. I watched it not too long ago and particularly liked the summation Garrison gave in the courtroom -(paraphrasing) "How many assinations, how may plane crashes will it take before people wake up?"

[Zynx]

54. Um, dead wrong.

The Zapruder film has an ejecta cone blown out of Kennedy's head that is completely inconsistant with a frontal impact of *ANY* weapon. It is consistent with firing a centerfire rifle round through a human skull from the rear.

The Zapruder film is also consistent with any credible understanding of firearms and impact ballistics. It is entirely inconsistent with the back of his head being destroyed - you can even SEE the intact back of his head when his brains are blown out.



Z312-Z313-Z314, NOTHING happens to the back of his head. That fits with an entry wound - they only make bloody poofs in Hollywood. Exit wounds make the mess, particularly with something like the skull.

If there was a shooter on the grassy knoll, he didn't fire the fatal headshot, and since the angles simply don't work for him having fired the neck wound - he would be right IN FRONT of the limo if you don't believe that one came from behind as well, he missed everything.

[MollyStark]

49. Watch "13 Days"

It is also very informative.

[Mend]

50. JFK II...til the day I die, I will believe they killed him, too eom

[Blue Belle]

69. No family is THAT cursed...

Here's what I found on a quick google search:
http://matt-marriott.faithweb.com/destruction/jfk_jr.html

Puzzling questions about the death of JFK Jr. - the plane crash:

a)Why were a tiny prescription bottle and a small piece of luggage (both PERSONALIZED with Lauren Bassette's and Carolyn Kennedy's name) immediately found ?

b)Why would someone have their luggage tagged with their name when there was only three in the plane ?

c)Why can't the US best searching vessels find in the Atlantic Ocean, after four days, a PLANE or any significant part of the plane ?

d)Why would a beginning pilot not file a flight plan?

e)What is a high profile person doing taking such risks and where was his security ?

f)Why is it there was no survival equipment on board? How did the coastguard know this?

g)Why, when the plane initially disappeared off the radar screens, was no emergency or rescue procedure immediately launched ?

f)Why was it that these steps where only taken once concerned friends and family called for assistance?



Of course, this is probably grounds for another thread... but how do so many mysterious/tragic events plague one family??

[Al-CIAda]

51. The Col. L Fletcher Prouty Reference Site

Oliver Stone consulted with him to make JFK-

The Col. L Fletcher Prouty Reference Site is a focal point where researchers can locate and retrieve articles, books, videos, and tapes on a variety of subjects which Fletcher has written and participated in.

Col. Prouty spent 9 of his 23 year military career in the Pentagon (1955-1964): 2 years with the Secretary of Defense, 2 years with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 5 years with Headquarters, U.S. Air Force. In 1955 he was appointed the first "Focal Point" officer between the CIA and the Air Force for Clandestine Operations per National Security Council Directive 5412. He was Briefing Officer for the Secretary of Defense (1960-1961), and for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
At times he would be called to meet with Allen Dulles and John Foster Dulles at their home on highly classified business. He was assigned to attend MKULTRA meetings. In this capacity Col. Prouty would be at the nerve center of the Military-Industrial Complex at a time unequalled in American History. He has written on these subjects, about the JFK assassination, the Cold War period, and Vietnamese warfare, and the existence of a "Secret Team". He backs up his his work with seldom seen or mentioned official documents - some never before released.
Fletcher Prouty offers a rare glimpse of the "Power Elite" as described by Buckminster Fuller, or "The High Cabal" as Winston Churchill refered to them; and how they really operate. Those who have not been in a position to witness events such as these from the inside would not understand how invisible but ultimately effective they and their power structures are.

http://www.prouty.org/

[Zynx]

56. Ummm, on that site, he says oil is not a fossil fuel.

>>In the first place what is oil? Is it 85% carbon, 13% hydrogen and 0.5% oxygen with traces of sulfur and nitrogen. Most geochemists ( in the pay of oil companies) believe that the oil originates from the decomposition of organic matter. They would have us believe that because organic matter - that is, formerly living organisms - is quantifiably a very limited source, the supply of oil itself must be limited.
It is not.

Oil is often called a "fossil" fuel; the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils. How could then could oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of fossils - the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come from living matter at all!

Furthermore, if all the plants, insects and animals that ever lived were all squeezed into a massive ooze, there is no way they could have amounted to the volume of oil that has been found to date. They just would not make that much juice. On top of this, oil geochemists will admit, if pressed, that if all the oil wells ever drilled by their so - called scientific methods of divining had been drilled totally at random, they would have found as much oil with random drilling as by " educated " drilling. In other words, there is a lot of oil down there.....most everywhere. Just drill for it - and if you don't strike it, drill a little deeper.

There can only be one answer to the misinformation we have about oil. The oil men have always wanted a monopoly control, and with it, they want to charge as much money as they can for every gallon of gasoline. With this, they gross hundreds of billions of dollars per - year. They want us to believe that our present rate of oil consumption, we have possibly 20 to 30 years before we run out. They make this sound credible with their " decomposed organic matter" fable.

By bursting this bubble and pulling the plug on this scenario, we discover that petroleum is a natural organic product that is rising, in enormous quantities , from deep within the earth; with deeper drilling, as wildcatters are already doing, there will adequate oil for a long, long time, even at the present rate of consumption.

From 1956 to 1971, the number of giant oil fields more than doubled as drills go deep into the Paleozoic strata and below. Today, there is a glut on the market, and those who control oil are doing all they can to limit production in order to keep the prices very high. To do this, they get a lot of government help.

Shortly before William J. Casey became the head of the CIA, he made a speech before the American Bar Association during which he advocated " international agreements to establish commodity reserves and maintain prices". This is the kind of policy oil men like. At the same conference, Hans Heymann, one of Casey's deputies at the CIA, talked about the "enormous oil inventory building that we've had", and that " we (CIA) developed a system of institutions and codes of conduct that make it far easier for those who influence the international marketplace to exercise that influence". It is " those who influence the marketplace" who are the oil barons, and they are taking us for hundreds of billions of dollars every year - with the aid of almost all Western governments.

L. Fletcher Prouty <<<

Lord is this crap.

This guy is crap.

[jus_the_facts]

58. it's not crap that on Nov. 22 '63 the military was told to 'STAND DOWN'...

....the people who'd have been protecting the president in DALLAS that day were sent on other duties and a shadow team was in place instead of STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE of his department to secure the area Kennedy's motorcade was to take...you choose to ignore simple facts and discredit his knowledge about what his office duties were over this explination of what fossil fuels are exactly? What transpired that day with the standard operating procedure in the security of the president is what's paramount IMHO....same type of thing happened on 9/11 when the military was told to STAND DOWN and didn't scramble jets to intercept the planes..which yet again was STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE OF THE MILITARY....but wasn't implemented..and the very same people who were younger players in '63 are still in power after decades of proven illegal activities...and here we are today...that's not conjecture...it's fact...the ones who benefitted most from the death of JFK are the VERY same who're still benefitting today...OIL and MILITARY CONTRACTORS...all controlled to this day by the PENTAGON....it's quite clear you just have to focus on the money and the people who've been rakin' it in...still one in the same...can't be denied...

[H2O Man]

60. It's not important

to convince people who think otherwise. I think that anyone with an open mind will watch the Zapruder film and understand what happened. Certainly anyone who has, for example, hunted deer will say that there is remarkably little risk of having the animal you shoot being hurled in your direction as a result of the shot.

More, anyone who says that Prouty is a quack, and that you should believe in the "magic bullet" theory ..... well, you get the point. And as we know, in order to prove how "true" their theory was, the FBI had to convince two of Kennedy's best friends to LIE to the Warren Commission. Hmmmmm .... let's get the truth out by lying! Isn't that singular!

[FreedomAngel82]

55. They had to

get rid of them so they could be in power. If Kennedy wasn't killed these people probably wouldn't have been in power I think.

[H2O Man]

61. Many people believe

that 11-22-63 was a coup. It wasn't. JFK's election was the coup; his death was merely the system adjusting to a temporary glitch.

[Jose Diablo]

66. I saved all the DeJavu files from Winterboys site some time ago

Got it zipped into a single file. Anybody want me to send the zip file, contact me in PM with a e-mail address and I will forward the zip file.

BTW, There are 25 chapters to the file plus an intro and contents. Some of the chapters were not on winterboys site with obvious names, though they all were on winterboys site. I think the story is complete though, from the perspective of whomever the author was of this history.

[jus_the_facts]

75. dedicated to the memory of Senators Paul Wellstone and RFK.....

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavuintro.html

DejaVu is dedicated to the memory of Senators Paul Wellstone (D-MN), 1944-2002, and Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY), 1925-1968, who embodied American ideals and were ultimately consumed by the forces they fought hard to constrain; and to the 'Four Jersey Moms' who paid the ultimate sacrifice on 9/11 and never wavered in their search for truth- even when the Bush Gang refused them and the rest of us would have been content to ignore them.
I'd also like to express my deepest gratitude to the journalists and assorted muckrakers who did most of the hard work before I even knew there was a problem, and especially to BuzzFlash.com, who both inspired DejaVu and made it possible.


....thanks so much for the link to the rest of this...I'd only seen the outline posted here months ago..opens your eyes WIDE to the deeper..darker history of corporate greed and war...the complicity of the media and how it's been used to manipulate the masses into submission...everyone should read this document!! :hi:

[ReadTomPaine]

72. On the HC today: "The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy"

Was this conspiracy skeptical Peter Jennings hosted documentary an expose or a whitewash?

From the ABC Description-

No other murder in history has produced as much speculation as that of President John F. Kennedy. Forty years after he was fatally shot, more than 80 percent of Americans still believe there was a conspiracy to kill the president and that the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, did not act alone. After a thorough investigation, including more than 70 interviews, ABCNEWS has produced a two-hour special that separates facts from conspiracy theories and gets to the truth. The special aired on Thursday, Nov. 20th 2003, two days before the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. "There has been so much innuendo and presumption in the conspiracy theories, that on this 40th anniversary of the president's murder, the subject cries out for review," said Peter Jennings, who anchors the special. "The truth is knowable." Peter Jennings Reporting: The Kennedy Assassination Beyond Conspiracy showcases intricate forensic technology that makes it possible to be an eyewitness to the crime of the century, allowing viewers to see precisely what happened in Dallas' Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963. Award-winning animator Dale Myers has spent the last decade creating a three-dimensional, computer-generated reconstruction of the assassination based on maps, blueprints, physical measurements, more than 500 photographs, the Zapruder film, and crime-lab and autopsy reports. His work has been independently evaluated and given the highest marks by the foremost practitioners of this type of forensic analysis. ABCNEWS conducted extensive interviews with friends and family of Oswald and his killer, Jack Ruby; former officials from the CIA, FBI, the Russian KGB and the Dallas Police; important players in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations; and participants in the various official investigations, including the Warren Commission.

RTP

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77. One of the most staggering ironies is that the inventor of the single

bullet theory is now the senior senator from pennsylvania.