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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:13 PM
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Ratzinger sees media vendetta against Church

http://www.cathnews.com/news/212/27.php

The Vatican's Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has suggested that a campaign is under way against the Church, judging by the way scandals involving priests have been reported in the United States.

The prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith shared his views last weekend with a group of journalists attending a conferencein Rome.

He said: "I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower."

"In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type," he said. "The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts.

"Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion."
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why does Ratty want to protect pedophile priests? maybe he's one too?

Ratty must have taken lessons from Rove on framing.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:15 PM
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1. oh-oh
:hide: have a nice discussion, y'all. :scared:
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:31 PM
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2. He's a stand-up kinda guy, like Tom DeLay.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:34 PM
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3. There's a simple solution, Mr. Ratzinger
Get pedophiles out of the priesthood, and there won't be anything negative to report. You know, he seems like a well-educated guy; hard to believe that a solution this simple and obvious has eluded him. Unless, of course, his continued livelihood depends heavily on NOT seeing this solution, then it's easy to believe.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:42 PM
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4. Nobody went after the Catholic Church more on front page than Moonie Times
Edited on Wed Apr-20-05 12:46 PM by blm
Not out of journalistic endeavor, since they hyped the wrongdoings to smear the entire church, but to hasten the downfall of catholicism, itself, for their master RevMoon.

Funny that theocrats like Moon, LaHaye, Kennedy, Falwell, Ratzinger, et al, all plan to be the only church and leader left standing so they all support BushInc.'s fascism.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:44 PM
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5. Great, a paranoid Pope
:eyes:

Here's an idea, Benedict: HAVE YOUR PRIESTS QUIT FUCKING LITTLE KIDS.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:08 PM
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10. Poor, poor, pitiful, paranoid, petrified Pope. n/t
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:48 PM
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6. I say he's right
and it's a planned campaigne against the Catholic church in general by the fundies, i.e. our present administration.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:50 PM
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7. Then he needs to say exactly that
"Newspapers owned by radical fundamentalists, and encouraged by the current US administration, are trying to cause the Catholic church to fail."

As it is, he's just spouting bullshit.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:07 PM
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15. I thought this a long time ago
I don't condone sexual abuse, but just found it strange that all this came to light after the shrub came into office. I truly believe that was part of the neocon plan. We are talking about older males, way past the age of being afraid to air what happened. I just find this entire situatiion questionable.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:09 PM
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16. Same here, as noted above that the Moonie Times went overboard on the
story, while any time a fundie wingnut gets caught, they manage to stay away from the story.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 01:39 PM
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8. Where have I heard this before?
Oh yeah. The persecuted wingnuts.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 01:56 PM
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9. We're the biggest sect on earth; we're PERSECUTED!
Before you start quibbling on math about Muslims, I said SECT, so if you subtract out Shiites, Catholics win. Persecution to many believers is when they're impeded from complete control by the inferiors.

The Roman Catholic Church NEEDS to win. They need to have more children than anyone else, and they need to control the earth. Hey, no skin off anyone's nose about this, they're basically no different than most other exclusive clubs, it's just that they're more effective and thus tend to get more flagrant in their social recklessness and draw more fire.

Say what you may about some of the liberal precepts of the Church when it comes to social programs--I'll agree with you--it's still a rapacious political organization bent on world domination and pissed off that some damned ingrates messed with their hustle a half a millennium ago.

This is another faith-based CORPORATION that demands to be above reproach, and as such is a classic evocation of conservatism: support your superiors and contribute to your own subjugation.

Religion IS conservative; it's fitting that this enforcer takes the reins. I just want to hear details about how "coerced" he was into joining the Hitler Youth (remember: Hitler was a Catholic, too) and whether his "desertion" from the AA battery to which he was assigned was ideological or pragmatic. Excuse as you may, but he was a soldier of the Third Reich, and to me, that's far too suspect for glossing over without EXTREME DETAIL being brought to bear.

O, woe is me: my people are cheated from total domination; cruel is the fate on this mortal plane...

Amid the gushing of love for the last Pope, it would be wise to remember that he wasn't a liberal either, and his culpability with fascism and atavism is well documented.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:10 PM
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11. I thought relativism was wrong
"statistically speaking, we're no more pedophiles than anyone else"

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:21 PM
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12. On the point regarding the amount of press coverage
he is correct. There is a concerted effort on the part of the Bushbot fundies and Moon to try to discredit the RC church. Most fundies do think that the pope is the anti-christ and hate catholics. I've seen it first hand and I'm not even a practicing catholic anymore.

However, the churches response to dealing with pedophile priests is just has bad if not worse.

Maybe Ratzy is right that the percent of priests compared to the general pop is about the same but that is just not acceptable. PRIESTS are supposed to be held to a higher standard. Number one they have taken a vow of celibacy which means no sex with ANYONE. Second they claim that they are between us and god, they put themselves higher than us. They are supposed to holier than the rest of us.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:38 PM
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13. Hey Ratzo
Shut the fuck up.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:47 PM
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14. The liberal media strikes again.
:eyes:
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