jefferson_dem
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Tue Apr-26-05 02:48 PM
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LIVE : Reid on Senate floor now talking about his proposed "compromise". |
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 02:50 PM by jefferson_dem
C-SPAN2.
Stresses the need to "be statesmen"...
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Tue Apr-26-05 02:55 PM
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1. keep us cuberats in the know |
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we need our cheese dammit!
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jefferson_dem
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Tue Apr-26-05 02:58 PM
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2. Lehey, Schumer, celebrate the need to rise above and reach deal... |
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for the good of the Senate. Commend Reid on job well done.
Now...assface McConnell up saying "NO DEAL"...unnacceptable.
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:00 PM
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3. OK, REID DOUBTERS--READ THIS FROM KOS AND REJOICE! |
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www.dailykos.com (today) by kos
"Reid just engaged Frist in a game of chicken, and Frist blinked first.
Reid has been extremely effective in whipping up opposition to the Nuclear Option, garnering strong grass- and netroots support, editorial board support, and popular support (as the latest polls show scant appetitive for ending the filibuster).
But in order to avoid looking like obstructionists, Democrats had to make efforts to "find a compromise", lest the chattering class get the vapors from such Democratic intransigence.
Had Frist accepted the offers for compromise, Bush would've gotten the majority of his judges through, and Democrats would've gotten -- who knows what. All published compromise offers didn't seem to give our side anything.
So Democrats would've faced a sea of criticism from our own side for snatching defeat out of the hands of victory. Frist and Co. would've finally gotten a procedural victory against Reid (who has run circles around them thus far). And all that good will Reid had built in the netroots over the past four months would've evaporated in one fell swoop.
It was one heck of a gamble, but the Senator from Nevada played his cards right."
Go read it. This guy is twice as smart as any Republican. He and Byrd are geniuses! (Damn, this is hot off the press, kos had all sorts of spelling errors!)
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jefferson_dem
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:05 PM
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6. Thanks for the link. I'm headed there now. One point - if the deal was |
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accepted, the Dems would have at least maintained *the procedural right* to employ the filibuster when necessary since not all the judges would have been approved. They still could whip it out from time to time, claiming that this particular nominee "is just too extreme."
Still, i agree 100% on the general point. We WIN this round. Hands down! The Repuke leadership are now the ones looking extreme, as if there was ever any question.
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Tue Apr-26-05 09:24 PM
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10. The Hill had an article on this 'compromise.' |
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Frist gets 2 of 10 judges and the Dems get 1 picked by the Michigan delegation (I think) and the filibuster stays in place period. I think Reid was mind-fucking Frist. Remember Frist is used to total control, in terms of heart surgery (which is a good thing for the patient) and in terms of the company feudal empire (where he is unchallenged). Now he has this guy who lost his dad at 6 and grew up in Searchlight NV poor as can be. It would never occur to Frist that such a person could be brilliant and outsmart those 'to the manor' born. Just like DC society could never tolerate Clinton because they couldn't believe a poor kid from Arkansas was smarter than all of them put together.
HARRY REID :yourock:
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Stinky The Clown
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Tue Apr-26-05 10:33 PM
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11. "I think Reid was mind-fucking Frist." .... I **know** he was |
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He was brilliant. Great street fighting!
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Wed Apr-27-05 02:12 AM
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I'm sure he knows how these people are. He's worked with the mafia in NV and these people are way worse then them. So it makes him look like the cool, calm and rational person he is and the republicans are power hungry schoolyard bullies. I saw a democratic senator talking about the filibuster and how the republicans are. I can't remember his name now (ugh) but he was basically comparing Bush to the puppett's his daughter saw when she was younger and that Rove doesn't have any say in anything. He also compared the republicans to schoolyard bullies. It was great! I'm watching the SS rally of the democrats and Reid is talking and he said how the republicans don't listen to anything they say. So he knew all a long.
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:01 PM
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4. Here's a take I heard on why the Dems are floating a compromise |
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Simply, they don't believe the GOP will do it. And with polls clearly on the Dem's side on this issue, they are setting up the media to report: Democrats ask for compromise, GOP says No - which will make the Republicans look rigid and uncompromising to the public.
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:02 PM
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5. Amen, thank you. It's CHESS not checkers. |
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Wed Apr-27-05 02:13 AM
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this can help us in 2006.
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jefferson_dem
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:07 PM
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7. WHOA! Chimp "is president NOT KING"!!! |
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Wed Apr-27-05 01:47 AM
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12. Harry Reid hit this one out of the park. n/t |
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:12 PM
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8. Harry Reid said that he thought |
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he had reached a compromise with Frist at about 12:15 today. Then he said he heard that Frist said no compromise had been reached. Then the kicker was that Harry Reid said that Carl Rove was up on the Hill today and said "No compromise. We want all of our judges and Bolton, too".
McConnell seemed to back off a bit when Reid and Schumer said they didn't say what he said they said. McConnell said maybe now there is something to negotiate about.
Anyway, yesterday Dick Durbin said on the Floor of the Senate: You remember all of those 1,000 page bills that come to the Floor that nobody reads. Well, they will be read now. Reid and Durbin also said that if the nuclear option is used, they will use every rule in the book to bring the Dem agenda to the floor and get it passed.
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Wed Apr-27-05 02:18 AM
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Do you think if that does happen they can bring up the election issue?
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Wed Apr-27-05 05:08 AM
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16. I thought that with the Republicans |
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in charge, the Dems could not bring up anything. But Reid said that they show deference to the Party in the majority. But now that the Repukes are not showing any willingness to compromise, he said the Dems will treat them the same way. Reid will use every rule possible to bring up the agenda that the Dems want. He gave a few examples, but I have forgotten what they are. It would be great if he brought up the election issue.
Reid did say that when the Supreme Court appointed bush* as pResident, no one started fires or broke windows.
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:25 PM
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9. Rope-a-dope in action. |
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Reid is an ex-boxer. He talks the talk and walks the walk. He doesn't sit in the corner strategizing...he comes out swinging.
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