Topic: Karl Rove is not a genius.

[Writer]

Discuss!

[Vickers]

1. He's a dumb fat puke who appeals to the basest instincts of the

dumbest people for the lowliest goals.

[emulatorloo]

2. Karl Rove is crafty, amoral, and will stop at nothing to keep Repugs

and himself in Power. So no, he is not a genius, but he will DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. And for that reason he is dangerous.

[Writer]

6. Right-o

Rove is a narcissist. Narcissists have the power to objectify others and use them as pawns.

Case in point: Rove's pathetic working of Social Security. This "genius" thought he could use the same tactics he used to sell the war. Fear fear fear. It hasn't worked. Now, take a look at Joe Scarborough's pathetic attempt to rework Rove's failure as some type of genius: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6330851/

Sad and pathetic all the way through. The man's stature likely doesn't deserve even a thread like this.

Writer.

[NVMojo]

52. Rove is an evil human. Anyone who could smear a crippled Viet Nam vet

over hateful political gain has no conscience or soul.

[Imagevision]

61. Rove simply studied misatkes made from Nam & other wars

1.We do not allow coffins of dead soldiers being shown nightly on any news channels. Johnson/Nixon blew it on that one.

2. We don't allow any media correspomdents to continue to report on what is really happening in Iraq.

3. When "we" do have problem situations leaked to MSM? we simply lie-deny.

4. We especially do not permit 9-11 investigations to be made public b-e-f-o-r-e the election.

5. We blame Chalabi for leaking sensitive info to Iran then find him innocent - we can use him to be the Oil minister of Iraq oneday.

6. You get my drift, Rove is simply perseptive, he's aware of the game and plays it smart - no genius, just get anyone installed as Prez, give him an agenda and he does his homework.

[corker]

3. turd blossom n/t

[Missy M]

4. I don't think it takes a genius....

to play dirty politics. He does a great job of smearing his opponents but it is not genius just mean and evil.

[opusprime]

5. Tell that to Scarborough...

In "Going for the Kill in '06" Joe Scarborough states the whole Social Security issue is a Karl Rove setup to take the "Class Warfare" advantage away from the Democrates.

But to be honest, I dont know WTF he is talking about. See if you can decifer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6330851/

I think Rove gets credit for a lot more than he deserves, but he did play the Christian right like a fiddle. The gay marriage ballot issues were as good as a coup.

[Writer]

8. You beat me to it, opusprime

;)

[Clark2008]

41. Scarborough needs to get off his back pain meds

This article made absolutely no sense.
Maybe if I get one of my killer sinus headaches and have to take a dose of coedine, I can re-read it then and see if it's a little more clear.

:crazy:

[LittleClarkie]

7. He's only good at this one thing, does that make him a genius?

He just plays dirtier than people can get their heads wrapped around. That the WH makes all their decisions based on how they will play vs what's right, and that this is the most secretive WH ever just says that the ends justify the means with this man.

How can he talk about values with a straight face. He's only a semi-genius at one thing -- ratfucking. What a distinction.

[OnionPatch]

33. Hear hear!

I could be a "genius" too if I dropped all my scruples and values into the toilet.

[leyton]

9. I think he's good at what he does, but he's nothing phenomenal.

He gets hyped by the media, as if he had take some lame nobody Republican with no charisma and won a 49-state victory with them twice. That's hardly happened.

1) Bush should get a lot of the credit for his Presidential victory in 2000. Gore didn't run a fantastic campaign, and Bush was a folksy Southern governor running on a moderate platform. He was practically guaranteed the carry the South from the start, and most of the Republican west.

2) Yet Bush didn't win in 2000. We all know he had to steal Florida, and while he was expecting to win easily, his campaign failed to mobilize as well as Gore did. Rove is an organization man; it was his job to turn out evangelicals, and had he been successful Bush might have had a legitimate win and maybe managed 300 electoral votes (with Pennsylvania, Iowa, New Mexico, and Wisconsin).

3) Bush was hardly an effective President going into his first term. His early legislation passed - but when has a Republican Congress ever not passed a tax cut? And the No Child Left Behind act had bipartisan support and still does. After that he stalled.

4) 9/11 was the sole source of political capital for the rest of Bush's first term. It's probably the only reason the Republicans took the Senate (I think Cleland and others would have survived). A Republican Senate plus Bush's popularity on national security translated into Democrats allowing Bush to get his domestic agenda through. It's also the only reason he was able to invade Iraq.

5) Bush - a wartime President - hardly won a stunning reelection as his predecessors had. He nearly lost the election (some would say he did, but that's another discussion) and only one because of Rove's successful effort to turn out evangelicals and conservative Christians to overwhelm Kerry. And though he carried Ohio, Iowa and New Mexico, a wartime Republican ought to have been able to win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and other states. I might also mention that Kerry was a flawed candidate - more of a fighter than Dukakis but no Clinton, no Kennedy. (No offense to Kerry!)

6) Where is Bush now? He's in the same place he was in the beginning of his first term. A Democratic Senate has been replaced with a Republican Senate that's reluctant to go along with the unpopular agenda of an imperialistic White House.

If Karl Rove has been overestimated, it is because Bush has been portrayed as a more successful President than he really is, and also because Bush's fundamental strengths (he's a personable guy to most people) are underestimated. His one true national success has been the successful gamble that revving up the base in 2004 would succed - and that nearly failed.

Rove is good at his job, but no smasher of Democrats.

[Writer]

12. Right-o. He's not someone we should fear.

I think there's too much stirring about Karl Rove everytime he speaks. All of this guessing of what might be up his sleeve. But we're giving him and his words more credit than they're due.

But he's just a weak man who doesn't know how to win legitimately, so he must resort to the most base of tactics. No one in the Democratic Party should fear a person like that.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Karl Rove's only genius is that the Corporate media is on his side

apart from that, he's just another piece of shit.

[ComerPerro]

29. Exactly. He is an arrogant asshole. The only thing that makes him "genius"

is the fact that the media is a willing participant in his "Strategy".

It doesn't take a political genius to run Bush's campaign when the media is completely behind you.

All Rove has to do (especially after 9/11, very convenient for them) is tell big and bold lies, and to make sure that the GOP talking heads keep repeating them.

He is just an unethical asshole with the williness to play dirty, and with the fortune of having a media who backs everything his candidate says.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Well, if he engineered Rathergate, he has some smarts.

If so then its a pity such intelligence is used for the most vile purposes - temporarily smearing someone long enough to make them lose an election.

[aeolian]

18. Oh, he certainly has smarts. But he's not the unassailable Genius that

he's made out to be.

...he did have to cheat in at least one election.

[zulchzulu]

13. Karl Rove Is Going To Hell

He learned it all from Lee Atwater to appeal to the KKK in the back waters,
and to distract the poor unemployed dumbasses down Dixie way,
to not forget the Fat Cats who didn't want to pay their fair share of taxes
for he knew they ruled the game and control it all anyway.

Karl Rove Is Going To Hell.

[blondeatlast]

24. KKKarl has nothing on Dirty Atwater. The DUers with meaner streaks

would do well to study Atwater.

I just don't have the stomach for it.

[orpupilofnature57]

55. Kkkarl =Atwater=McCarthy=J.Edgar = Shrub 2004 =nixon 1968

[jedr]

14. he's a sociopath;

if he wasn't turning his hate out in politics he would be climbing a tower with his deer rifle or forming a cult...the man is a hateful misfit

[eallen]

19. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he's not a genius.

[jedr]

21. "turd-blossom" fits him well......n/t

[Cary]

15. Who cares what people call him?

No matter how you slice it up it always boils down to the fact that all politics are local. Success depends on a lot of good work from a lot of people.

[PurityOfEssence]

16. He just hooked into the old truth that defying morality is lucrative

He's a big fan of Mark Hanna and the Robber Barons at the end of the so-called gilded age. Using the same techniques of crushing opposition and bullying the weak, he embodies the heart of Republicanism: win at all costs. Winning is the only thing, and it's respected in this country.

Decent people see this as either abhorrent or brilliant. Since we're in the age of dwindling resources and increased competition, the general response is one of admiration for being able to tough it out with the weaklings.

His appeal echoes the dark side of the the American spirit, and with each passing abuse, we're getting uglier and uglier as a people. With full cynicism in mind, it must be reminded that we are a people of individuals who escaped from something, and our greatest gut need is to personally thrive; as such, respect will always be there for those who have the gall to flout decency and ratfuck those in their way for personal gain. Genius? No. Most of the more effective apparatchiks in history weren't either. Think of him as Beria or Goebbels or someone of that ilk.

Then again, his circuitry isn't all that bad, so don't shield yourself from the innate ugliness of much of our species: he's a sharp guy. Cheney and Rumsfeld are SMART. Wolfowitz, Rove and Card are pretty bright. Rice, Powell and Myers are mediocre. Snow is a blockhead. Junior is a mean, vain, petty, bitter, vindictive little nothing with an I.Q. under 90.

[Arkana]

17. He's crafty and manipulative, but not a genius.

I went to high school with a kid who acted just like KKKarl. He manipulated and cajoled, but did it ALL behind the scenes. I know for a FACT that I'm smarter than him, yet he graduated #1 in our class and I graduated #13.

No, Karl's no genius--a genius would be working with a media who is COMPLETELY against him and still maintaining high approval ratings for his President. KKKarl may be able to fabricate stories, but that only makes him manipulative.

[MaineYooper]

20. echoing LittleClarkie:

Rove's reputation as "Genius" comes from the fact that he's willing to commit acts so vile and reprehensible that normal people not only wouldn't commit, but probably also wouldn't even consider as possible.

(Normal here referring to those with a vestige of conscience, ethics, or decency)

[babsbunny]

22. To me

Mr. Rove represents Satan, or is Satan!

[blondeatlast]

23. He's a consummate con artist. all it takes to bring him down

is to expose him, but there's a huge probblem with that:

HOW?

[bemildred]

25. If he's a genius, then so was Goebbels. nt

[applegrove]

26. Power-hungry is power-hungry. Needing no emotional downtime

is needing no emotional downtime. Having no boundaries of what you will do is having no boundaries of what you will do.

He has accomplished more, doing it with fewer boundaries and no downtime and gotten allot of power in the process.

If I had spent my life planting a garden and studying horticulture (say 43 years without a rest).. and nothing else,it would be a glorious garden indeed. Especially if some of my friends had given me Billions to do it. Perhaps I would have kissed the asses of the Kew family. Some would say I was a genius at gardening.

But it would be a garden and not a diminished democracy I had created.

Don't you have to come up with great ideas to be a genius? Are all of Karl's pretty old?

[Writer]

27. Okay let's try this: what would you tell Karl Rove to his face?

If I had a chance, I would say...

...

[sendero]

28. Just another American....

... who has figured out how to turn his dysfunction and complete lack of morals into cash.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Charon]

30. Genius

I don't think he is a genius. Thought from the political results of the last 6 years or so, he appears to be somewhat smarter than his policical opponents.

[sendero]

31. Smarter?

Or just more willing to play really dirty, including performing or directing illegal acts.

[Mandate My Ass]

32. He really only has a few dirty tricks he uses over and over

If he was behind the Plame outing it shows how stupid he truly is. It is proof that the WOT is a phony sideshow act for public consumption only. That kind of revelation is much too high a price to accomplish a simple smear on a detractor. The fact that he got away with it is only because the press is bought and paid for and won't give this huge scandal the attention it deserves. Without that public discussion, there is no scandal.

It was a bad move, and rather clumsily executed. He's only skating because he is member of the untouchables in the WH.

[AspenRose]

58. Did anyone hear Springer on the Radio today....

He said he thought Rove's magic spells have been spent.

I guess we'll see.

Evil has a way of reincarnating itself.

[orpupilofnature57]

49. Spell check, then moral check, then check please. E.O.M

[Contrary1]

34. He just looks like one

standing next to Boy George.

[bunkerbuster1]

35. Some men are born great, some men acheive greatness

and some men have greatness thrust into them.

Rove is a pretty decent marketer; history may call him a political genius, but mostly he seems to have come along at the right place at the right time and cobbled together a string of dirty "wins" for his guy.

I've never been impressed by him, nor especially intimidated, and I wish more Dems felt the same.

[orpupilofnature57]

53. Good advice! Thanks I needed that.

[KansDem]

36. Rove has the corporate media...

In the past, presidential political advisers have always had to deal with the Fourth Estate, hence they knew they had to take Lincoln's observation, "You can fool some of the people...," seriously. Rove, however, is not laboring under a Fourth Estate so his actions go unreported and uninvestigated. With the Fourth Estate being replaced by the "Whoreth Estate," Rove is enjoying "You CAN fool all the people, all the time..."

He's no genius.

[Algorem]

37. He's something awful.

Karl & Darby Rove:
4925 Weaver Terrace NW
Washington, DC 20016



http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/114255

Karl Rove's place - peaceful protest against the no-brain
by buzzflash

14 Jan 2005
Modified: 19 Jan 2005
Rumors suggest spontaneous, peaceful pro-democracy protests will erupt on inauguration day at Karl Rove's house, which according to In These Times, is 4925 Weaver Terrace NW, Washington DC
- buzzflash

Rove Sweet Rove

Ignored by “Bush’s Brain,” activists take the fight to his home

By Tracy Van Slyke

On a quiet Sunday afternoon in late March, more than a dozen yellow school buses crept up the street of a high-end Washington, D.C. neighborhood and parked in front of the home of Karl “Bush’s Brain” Rove, senior policy advisor to President Bush.

Members of National People’s Action (NPA), a national coalition of community organizations, poured onto Rove’s lawn demanding that the White House support the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act. The activists surrounded Rove’s home chanting, blowing whistles and carrying posters with the message, “Rove: Don’t steal the dream!”

If passed, the DREAM Act would grant in-state college tuition for children of immigrants who have graduated from high school and who have lived in the country for at least five years. Students also would begin the process toward legal citizenship. An estimated 50,000-65,000 undocumented students graduate from high school in the United States each year but can’t work legally or qualify for in-state tuition to attend college. The DREAM Act already has 42 Senate cosponsors but is stalled for a vote on the Senate floor...

[Writer]

38. Pay no attention to his Staypuff facade. Look at his eyes.

I read someone who objectifies others. I read selfish, petty, perhaps childish. I read a person who thinks he's intelligent, but may not be.

[Algorem]

40. saw that photo in color in a New Yorker,somehow he looks much stranger

in the color one

[Writer]

42. I think it's about time

we stop rewarding this type of narcissistic behavior. I mean, it's so... 1980's.

[justsomegirl]

39. Karl-Still punishing others for a childhood event.

He's still the nine year old who got pushed off his bike by a little girl:

"At the age of 9, I put a Nixon bumper sticker on my wire basket in the front of my bicycle. Unfortunately, the little Catholic girl down the street was a couple of years and about 20 pounds on me. She was for Kennedy. When she saw me on my bike with my bumper sticker for Nixon, she put me on the ground, flattened me out and gave me a bloody nose."

and he's spent his entire life since then making others suffer for the actions of that little girl.

...assuming that's a true story.

[Snivi Yllom]

43. ok, he's not a genius, but he sure beat the living shit out of Bob Shrum

he's a formidable opponent

[Javaman]

44. If he was a genius, he wouldn't have hitched his cart to a moron*

I have known genius's, have 3 in my family alone. They are a breed apart. Their mental state exists in a whole other realm.

What rove knows is clever marketing. Nothing more nothing less. Once outside his area of concern, he's not that bright.

Genius is not just being smart or brilliant in one particular area, but having insight and a grand view on life itself.

Take away roves marketing insight and what do you have, not much. This is why he and moron* get along so well. moron* is rove without the marketing insight.

If you took away Einsteins genius at physics, what would you have? I philosopher, a math genius, an insightful ear into music, a keen eye into art, a well read man, a humanitarian, etc.

Genius is just that, all encompassing.

[Writer]

45. Pathetic bump

:evilgrin:

[hannah]

46. pathetic jerk

The type of guy who was in the audio/visual club in high school,with the rest of the nerds. Never had a girlfriend. eeck he makes my skin crawl. If he were a genius he would be able to remake his fat ass nerdability.

[suigeneris]

47. It's not important whether he is a genius. He is

a formidable political opponent which none should forget. He should inspire no awe but a decent respect for his gamesmanship. We can learn from the traps he sets: "Make the Dems defend higher taxes. Make the Dems defend coddling our captured enemies."

That shit works and we ought to study it enough to start avoiding the snares he sets and lay out a few nasty ones of our own.

[orpupilofnature57]

48. Misanthrope, Opportunist, Sociopath, necrophiliac, Einstein was a genius!!

kkkarl is a fat fuck that knows how to play the sides against the middle.Every civilization creates monsters that prey on our sins and fear.oH YA AND mEGLOMANIAC TOO.

[spooky3]

50. is a genius like a steroid-loaded athlete is a champion

[Mass]

51. He is no genius. We are the ones that we should fear.

We are falling in all his traps and allowing him to follow his agendas.

[KittyWampus]

54. Writer, I Kiss You Full On The Lips. Being A Bully W/Mediawhores

kissing your ass isn't genius.

[Writer]

56. Awwww. That's way too sweet.

:blush:

[libodem]

57. He is too

The man is a master manipulator of opportunities. He is superbly networked. He is like an Agent for Movie Stars. He markets the talent to the situations....or casting calls. He has an Agenda, to see that Money can be Made by the already Wealthy. He in turn is handled by Someone or something higher than himself. It is much like a giant pyramid scheme. The connections are the half of it. The ones that want no inheritance tax, no tax on their stock dividends, no bid contracts, no overtime pay for certain wage earners, no limits on patient to nurse ratios etc.

[Hippo_Tron]

59. He has such crappy raw materials to work with, that...

It's sometimes hard not to think that he's a genious. Granted he couldn't get Bush elected with a mandate.

[bunny planet]

60. The Pillsbury Roveboy is definitely not a genius. Just evil.

Things will be heating up for him soon though. I can feel it.

[zann725]

62. Yeah, it's like in the Wizard of Oz...he's just the guy behind the curtain

...NOT an "oz" at all. Yet we've embellished him as an all-seeing, flawless superman. Yet nothing about his looks extraordinary.

We need to quit empowering him with our words and thoughts, and start seeking out and uncovering the careless "mistakes" he's no doubt left behind in his arrogance of power.

[elperromagico]

63. All I know is he resembles a melted Cabbage Patch doll.

Genius? No.

Cunning? Yes.

[RunningFromCongress]

64. Sorry, but Rove wins, fair or not he wins

And if he's winning by not being fair, he's not getting caught. That alone puts him above almost everyone else.

He's a fucknut, a bastard, almost any derogatory word you can think of, but he's def. a genius.