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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:08 PM
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New GOP Talking Point > the "Secular Left" vs. the "Religious Right"
Edited on Tue May-10-05 06:24 PM by Stephanie


Mary Matalin repeated this about a hundred times on MTP on Sunday. She made sure to announce that her culture war was inclusive, as she named every religion she could think of, and asserted that every Catholic, every Jew, every Muslim, Methodist, and Unitarian, was a member of this new "Religious Right".

Disgusting hate speech, and yet watch it bloom. Anyone heard it anywhere else yet?

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*edit* I got carried away. She did NOT mention Unitarians! Here is the transcript:

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/7761272/


MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to federal judges. There has been an enormous amount of criticism leveled against federal judges by some very prominent members of the conservative community. Last week Pat Robertson said that the threat from the federal judiciary is more serious than Islamic terrorists who slammed into the World Trade Center. MoveOn.org, a liberal Democratic activist group, has now taken to the airwaves with that quote. Let's watch it and come back and talk a bout it.

(Videotape, MoveOn.org ad):

Unidentified Man: Osama bin Laden ordered the worst terrorist attack in American history. Yet last Sunday Pat Robertson, a leader of the religious right, actually claimed that federal judges are a more serious threat to America than "a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." Will Bill Frist and Tom DeLay continue to pander to the radical fringe or will they have the guts to repudiate Pat Robertson and all the others who are threatening our federal judges?

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Mary Matalin....

MS. MATALIN: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: ...has this gone too far?

MS. MATALIN: It's demagoguery. That's sheer demagoguery.

MR. RUSSERT: Well, you don't agree with Pat Robertson.

MS. MATALIN: I think that was an injudicious thing to say, but that the secular left has behaved imperialistically--there's no other word for it. They have subverted the democratic process by taking their issues to the judiciary. What the so-called religious right has done has taken their petition and their concerns into the democratic process, into the public square. They organize and they try to affect legislation, as opposed to being the subverted process of democracy which is what the secular left does.

This is all demagoguery. There is a secular left. There is a religious right. It is the way in which the secular left overestimates its uniformity is funny. They're not--there's not just Christian conservatives. There is a lot of the people who are concerned about traditional values and in politics and in the public square. There are lots of Jews, there are a lot of conservative Muslims. There are--it's ecumenical. There's Catholics. It's across the board. There is not a uniformity. There's lots of pluralism and they're part of the democratic process. And this is just demagoguery on the parts of these left-wing extremists.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:10 PM
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1. As a UU clergy person,
I'd have to say she's barking out her arse about the UUs.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:12 PM
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4. I'm paraphrasing
I'll look for a transcript - most likely she did not actually say UU. LOL!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:25 PM
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27. Stephanie...
Edited on Tue May-10-05 07:41 PM by intheflow
I was just teasing! LOL!

On edit: Now that you've posted the transcript, I have to say she has a certain point. It's skewed, it's biased. But all those groups have decidedly conservative factions. Some Muslims, for example, want tighter control of the airwaves broadcasting scantily clad women. Some Jews are exceptionally conservative. And just look at that mean-spirited Opus Dei!

On the other hand, I think she's angering the religious left... as if their values aren't intimately tied to their understanding of their religious traditions! I'm in seminary now, and I do believe the tide is turning left. No matter what the tv says.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:10 PM
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2. Yeah, I've been worried about those right wing Unitarians
for a long time.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:15 PM
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12. Yeah, they are quite the subversive lot............LOL
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:11 PM
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3. Really!
Unitarian rightists? Bullshit!

:eyes:
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:12 PM
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5. Funny. Unitarians never struck me as the Right wing type.
Many Methodists, Lutherans and Catholics don't fit her description either.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:14 PM
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9. This one sure does not and most of those in Texas in the church
parking lot with Kerry/Edwards stickers STILL on their cars don't either.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:15 PM
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13. This Catholic doesn't fit her description. NEVER WILL, either.
EVER.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:28 PM
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28. Pax Christi. the three Sisters in Colorado, and both Berrigans.
God/dess bless the real Catholics!
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:12 PM
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6. No, she is, as usual, WRONG. She cannot read, see or understand
any religion that uses Christ's teachings to guide them in their attempts to be CHRISTIANS!!~!
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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:12 PM
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7. I certainly have
It is really not a new thing, they have been using this talking point for years. I think it may have gotten louder now, but it is certainly not new. I have heard Republicans claim they are the "Christian Party", I have heard them say that liberals want to ban the Bible, and I have heard them claim that the UN wants to ban Christianity. Apparantly they believe that the Bible teaches them to lie.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:16 PM
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14. Good one: "believes that the Bible teaches them to lie".
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:13 PM
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8. How the hell does what's-his-face stay married to her. He must be so
Edited on Tue May-10-05 06:15 PM by BrklynLiberal
**-whipped. Sorry, but that is the only way I can explain it. :mad:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:17 PM
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15. She might other talents
He could just be in love with her, and they've learned to accept each others differences.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:19 PM
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16. I have offered to marry him many times
James, I repeat. Leave that hag! Marry me!
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:14 PM
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10. I heard O'leily calling the left secular last week. But he
didn't include all the religions in the religious right.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:15 PM
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11. This is inaccurate as hell.
How about we call ourselves the "Enlightened Left"?
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:24 PM
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21. The way things sometimes appear to me recently
I think the "enlightened few" might be more accurate.
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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:21 PM
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17. How about the "Intolerant Fristians" vs "All the Rest of Us".. who think,
as well as believe.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:22 PM
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18. I'm a religious liberal
and believe in the separation of church and state. The person quoted doesn't speak for me.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:23 PM
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19. IMO, Religious McCarthyism Would Be Proper Retort... & Piously Correct
as the Right's own version of Politically Correct.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:24 PM
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20. Maat, here, proud member of the religious enlightened left ..
REL (or LER).

I'm part Unitarian-Universalist, and part Religious Scientist.

Either way you cut it, I consider Pat Robertson to represent the epitomy of what I am fighting (legally, of course).

Please, James, divorce that wench, and take custody of the kids!!!
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:25 PM
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22. Was her pathetic little husband with her?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:29 PM
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23. Oh sure he was
Whipped, as usual. I'm really sick of that song and dance team.
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mpendragon Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:34 PM
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24. the left needs more sound bites
It is important for them to be easy to remember and sound good:

Corporate Conservatives vs. Livelihood Liberals (alliteration)
Low Wage Conservatives vs. Living Wage Liberals (alliteration)
Radical Right vs. Ethical Left (alliteration+assonance)

Non-paired:
Racist Right
Crony Conservatives
Literacy Left
Alliance Left
Corrupt Conservatives

Concepts:
From the people that brought you voting for women, voting for minorities, integration, control over your own body, and a cleaner environment: Wes Clark.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:36 PM
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25. It's chilling to me that every single RW radio/TV host is putting out
this drum beat that "Liberals" aren't Christian or any other faith. That all of us are atheists or secularists. First, it's not true. Second, this is a concentrated effort by all of them to brainwash the general public into believing Democrats/liberals et al are evil because they/we are "allegedly" non-religious and hate america. All of which is total hogwash....it's a setup for the next election.

And for the record: there are untold numbers of non-religious and atheist right wingers. There's plenty of evil on their side. The everyday conservatives are in denial if they believe this clap trap put out by the talking heads on the right.

This twisting of the facts by the other side is going to be a tough nut to crack...........but we'd better get cracking!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:39 PM
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26. She's part of the ruse...it's not about religion...it's about money
Just look at the judges up for nomination. They're all either pro-business (esp. insurance or energy), pro-corporate lobbying, anti-civil rights, anti-environment, or are big fund-raisers for the GOP.

These judges are the 2nd in a series of dupings of the Christian extremists that started with the Constitutional Amendment to ban same-sex marriage (which was dropped like national healthcare bill by this administration as soon as the election was over.)
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