A NeoCons spin on the Downing Memo

[IChing]

This was a comment on an article about the memo:



Lets say it is a real document from one Brit to another Brit, which says the first Brit thinks the Bush Administration was planning to go to war no matter what. I think that about summarizes it.
So it is this Brit’s opinion that Bush was dead set on goin to war in Iraq. It is still just his OPINION.

Now lets look as to the MOTIVE for releasing the "secret internal memo"; it was released to try to get the public to VOTE AGAINST Tony Blair and as a result your memo issue gets washed down the toilet.

This "inteligence" memo is an assessment, an INTERPRETATION of the tea leaves that someone in MI6 digested period.

Now if they had in fact heard or gotten their hands on a document from our US government which said that the Bush Administration was going to War regardless and they were willing to "construct a case for war" and blatantly disregard any other intelligence THEN YOU’D HAVE SOMETHING THERE but as it stands this is still just somebody’s opinion.

This issue is DOA simply because the above is absolutely 100% correct! It is just an OPINION expressed in a MEMO for a POLITICAL PURPOSE!

Sorry if that ruins your day. NAW NOT REALLY SORRY!

From Bella Ciao http://bellaciao.org/en/

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I just wanted to post this to show that
the neocons are already trying to spin this story
but it ignores important facts: opinion vs facts.

[tridim]

1. It's my opinion that Bush and his neocon pals

should be convicted of war crimes and sentenced to multiple life prison terms.

[Merlot]

2. Isn't the memo a summary of a meeting?

A summary is a repitition of facts, not an iopinion. That would be an editorial.

Not even a good attempt at spin - guys you'll have to work harder on the spin. go ahead, get nice and dizzy.

[Merlot]

3. Delete - dupe

[imax2268]

4. I like

how they dismiss everything as opinion that shows that Bushco lied about this war...when the memo contains actual minutes from the meetings...

That's their excuse for everything..."OH...that's just an opinion"..."opinion this, opinion that"...

I don't feel sorry for them for being so delusional...

[rocktivity]

5. Do these sound like OPINIONS to you????

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html">Directly from the memo:

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

...The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections...

...for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation.

...Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD...If the political context were right, people would support regime change...

...CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions. For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began?

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.

(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

:headbang:
rocknation

[IChing]

7. Exactly

As I said fact vs opinion, We have the facts.

The other facts needed are in the Cheney energy taskforce memos.
Which we know is another indictment.

[killbotfactory]

8. This is a start

MAPS AND CHARTS OF IRAQI OILFIELDS:

notice the list of "suitors" they have for the oil fields.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

Anyone who compiles all the relevent information on these criminals could probably get them convicted in a court of law.

[killbotfactory]

6. Pathetic

Not only because they are the minutes of a meeting and not an opinion, but that the memo backs up what a lot of former administration officials have said, and their own neocon propaganda. Neocons wanted to invade Iraq, and they weren't going to let any silly thing like "facts" or "reason" get in their way.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. I'll just ask them if the know what "premafacia evidence" is. nt

[AspenRose]

10. Neocon M.O.: Confuse opinions with facts

That's why the American MSM is in the toilet.

You can scream FACT in the face until they turn blue and they'll still insist it is an opinion.

Meanwhile, they manipulate OPINIONS in the media to be presented as FACT.