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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:24 PM
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HOLD EVERYTHING! Stop The Presses! This "Retraction" is 100% SPIN!
I have a Question. Did ANYONE see or Hear this Statement By NEWSWEEK? Because it sure ain't at NEWSWEEK .COM! And I've been searching the Internet over the last hour, trying to find the Statement, but I've found NOTHING! I became suspicious when I noticed that this "BIG NEWS STORY" was no longer being covered on ANY of the Cable "news" channels, they've MOVED ON! In fact CNN/HLN has a NEW "Baby snatcher" "Developing Story" going right now!

The only thing I've found is REPORTS and "news" articles ABOUT this alleged statement. AND, It's NO different that what NEWSWEEK said Yesterday!

This is what MSNBC's (Newsweek's on-line partner) report says (and it's almost identical of EVERY other report):


<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7864705/>
Newsweek acknowledged problems with the story and its editor, Mark Whitaker, apologized in an editor’s note in this week’s edition. The accusations spawned protests in Afghanistan that left 15 dead and scores injured.

Whitaker wrote in an editor’s note that “We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.”

‘We are retracting ... ’
But after the White House criticized Newsweek’s response to the story, Whitaker issued a statement later Monday through a spokesman saying the magazine was retracting the story.

“Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Quran abuse at Guantanamo Bay,” Whitaker said.


Now, Here's what the Editor's Note the above statement refereed to says:

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/>

Newsweek

May 23 issue - Did a report in NEWSWEEK set off a wave of deadly anti-American riots in Afghanistan? That's what numerous news accounts suggested last week as angry Afghans took to the streets to protest reports, linked to us, that U.S. interrogators had desecrated the Qur'an while interrogating Muslim terror suspects. We were as alarmed as anyone to hear of the violence, which left at least 15 Afghans dead and scores injured. But I think it's important for the public to know exactly what we reported, why, and how subsequent events unfolded.

Two weeks ago, in our issue dated May 9, Michael Isikoff and John Barry reported in a brief item in our Periscope section that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that American guards at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had committed infractions in trying to get terror suspects to talk, including in one case flushing a Qur'an down a toilet. Their information came from a knowledgeable U.S. government source, and before deciding whether to publish it we approached two separate Defense Department officials for comment. One declined to give us a response; the other challenged another aspect of the story but did not dispute the Qur'an charge.

RELATED STORY

The Islamic World: How a Fire Broke Out

Although other major news organizations had aired charges of Qur'an desecration based only on the testimony of detainees, we believed our story was newsworthy because a U.S. official said government investigators turned up this evidence. So we published the item. After several days, newspapers in Pakistan and Afghanistan began running accounts of our story. At that point, as Evan Thomas, Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai report this week, the riots started and spread across the country, fanned by extremists and unhappiness over the economy.

Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur'an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them "not credible." Our original source later said he couldn't be certain about reading of the alleged Qur'an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.

—Mark Whitaker
© 2005 Newsweek, Inc.


So I ask again: Did anyone SEE or hear this alleged retraction? the only thing I see being retracted is Newsweak's claim that "...that an internal military investigation had uncovered Quran abuse...", Not that it did NOT happen! It DID, but the U.S. Report on this Abuse either did not, or NO longer makes that finding! :crazy:



You see what I'm saying? Am I completely wrong on this? Or Has Someone (like KKKarl Rove) put this "Statement" out there, and let the Media Echo Chamber do the rest?

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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:27 PM
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1. Yep there was no retraction of the actual story of desecrating the Quran
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:31 PM
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2. This is the most glaring example of utter lack of integrity in the media
I have ever seen in my life.

They come out with a story, it causes problems, the White House does not like it...so, "oops, it's wasn't really true; pretend we never said that".

That they would even TRY something so crass and transparent shows that they think people are idiots and that they are shameless.

If they think the International Islamic Community is going to just accept the retraction - not an apology for the actual desecration of The Koran - but an obvious back-peddling on reporting on the story...do they really think everyone's outrage is going to just evaporate...that "unreporting" the story is going to do any good?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:34 PM
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3. There's nothing at Conyer's website about Downing Street either
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:50 PM
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15. Conyers has another website
Edited on Mon May-16-05 11:50 PM by FreedomAngel82
he updates more often. JohnConyers.com and visit his blog at Conyersblog.us Maybe he hasn't had time to update yet. :shrug:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:12 AM
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17. Nothing at JohnConyers.com either
Edited on Tue May-17-05 12:13 AM by Peake
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:34 PM
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4. Before I got a chance to turn off Anderson Cooper...
He had the only footage of anything close to the "retraction" that anyone has shown, afaik. My kid even laughed at it, because it looked like it was on old film stock from the eighties. Anyway, what the Newsweek guy said was that he thought it was over and done with, that their apology settled the matter. It lasted a couple of days, then they got the call that it wasn't enough.

He said, rather matter of factly, that since he'd already apologised, if the White House wanted to consider that a retraction, what the hell.

That, seriously, is the extent of the "retraction." Your description is more accurate...an actual retraction never happened.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:41 PM
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12. Maybe they should just show the film of the Kennedy Assassination?
I would love to have seen that Anderson Cooper, they're not even trying to make it look like they are putting any effort into this Crap anymore.:eyes:
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:37 PM
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5. Gen. Myers said Afghan riots not tied to report
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:45 PM
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6. but you are not hearing that
scratch that...Countdown did show what Meyers said...

but the rest are running away with this story and not saying one word about what Meyers said...they are saying that Newsweek is soley responsible for "damagin" US image to the muslim world...

BULLSHIT...!

I smell utter BULLSHIT!
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:57 PM
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8. No, I'm not hearing that
Instead I'm hearing about Clinton's indiscretions on MSNBC. Anything but the relevant facts. I about spit out my coffee on this quote from Rummy:

"People lost their lives. People are dead," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Capitol Hill. "People need to be very careful about what they say, just as they need to be careful about what they do." http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050517/D8A4KSGO0.html

They've got guts.....you can't stand there dead faced and speak this shit without knowing they can't touch you.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:29 AM
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18. Interesting...
Edited on Tue May-17-05 12:30 AM by Contrary1
not what Rummy said, but what he didn't say...
that Newsweek's story was not true.


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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:49 AM
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19. Oh my God, Army General Bantz Craddock is going to investigate!
From the link you gave-- "...Meanwhile, Myers said the U.S. military has assigned Army General Bantz Craddock..."

Wasn't he in "Top Gun" with Tom Cruse?

God, what a name, it sounds so Hollywood. Is it requires, when you become a General, that you have to change your name to something really odd? Other than Gen. Myers, lately they always have strange names.

(Bantz, Shelly, Creighton) I know, they don't all have weird names, but...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:54 PM
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7. Newsweek editor on NPR this morning:
Edited on Mon May-16-05 09:55 PM by sparosnare
stated that the article WAS NOT written with the Koran part as the main story and that it was "8 words in a 10 line piece". He didn't understand why everyone was so worked up and said Newsweek was investigating. He DID NOT apologize for anything during the NPR interview.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:00 PM
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9. Yup, I was just re-listening to what he said, here's the link:
In 'Newsweek' Fallout, Questions of Its Sources

To Listen to this story... Click link above.

Talk of the Nation, May 16, 2005 · After an item in Newsweek about U.S. interrogators desecrating the Koran at Guantanamo Bay sparked deadly riots in Afghanistan, the magazine now says its source has backed away from those claims. We host a discussion of credibility, media impact, and the continuing reliance on anonymous sources.

Guests: Brant Houston, executive director of Investigative Reporters and Editors, Inc., and a professor at the University of Missouri School of Journalism

David Marston, partner at Gibbons, Del Deo
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:02 PM
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10. Thanks -
I especially like Brant Houston's interview....did you hear him rattle off that list of government 'indiscretions' the press has uncovered over the years? That was great.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:09 PM
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11. That was good, but I didn't like that he made the Clinton lied...
...about Monica L. as the last one in his list, That was kind of annoying.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:52 PM
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16. Interesting
So why all the fuss??? :shrug:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:48 PM
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13. Problem is that's the same problem Rather had
We all knew the National Guard story was true.

Proving it was the problem.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:39 PM
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14. Yeah, but with this, All the Witnesses are NOT Dead.
With the National Guard thing, All the actual witnesses (except for the secretary) had either died of old age, or have fallen victim to some very unfortunate "Accidents.":hide:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:48 AM
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20. The Bush Juna sharks smell the blood.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, traveling home from Iraq, said, ``It's appalling that this story got out there.

``I do think it's done a lot of harm,'' Rice said. ``Of course, 16 people died but it's also done a lot of harm to America's efforts'' to demonstrate tolerance and breed goodwill in the Muslim world.

``The sad thing was that there was a lot of anger that got stirred by a story that was not very well founded,'' Rice said.

U.S. officials did not deny the report when it first appeared.

``I hope that everybody will step back and take a look at how they handled this - everybody,'' Rice said. ``We're always trying to improve our ability to deal with both reality when there is something like Abu Ghraib and when there is rumor or misinformation, we're trying to deal better with those circumstances, too.''

Of course, the Lame Stream Media does not mention that the info came from the DOD in the 1st place and the official changed his story and that's why NW had to retract. Also, that similar reports have been in print before.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:54 AM
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21. Here is the e-mail that I just sent to the BBC News On-line, feel free...
...to copy any and all of it and send it to any website (after changing the news sites names from BBC) that is printing these Lies.

Thanks. :grr:

Dear BBC News;

You are printing and repeating Lies! As late as 10:06pm EDT May 16, 2005, Your website published a story entitled "Newsweek withdraws Koran Report." This is False.

Then in the FIRST sentence, You wrote "US magazine Newsweek has issued a full retraction of its report that a Koran was flushed down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay by US interrogators." This is ALSO false.

Your story then clearly contradicts it's self 6 sentences later in the same article where it reads:

'No longer sure'

"In a one-sentence statement released on Monday evening, Newsweek editor Mark Whitaker said: 'Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Koran abuse at Guantanamo Bay.'"

This is not the same as what you reported and printed in paragraph 1. The key word you are missing are "...that an internal military investigation had uncovered..."! This is VERY DIFFERENT than what you reported in Paragraph 1 of this story. This so-called retraction does NOT say a Koran was NOT flushed down the Toilet by interrogators, it was. It was a retraction of a report that this FACT had made it into a U.S. Government REPORT on this abuse of the Koran!

Their is a BIG difference and you should be ashamed and apologize for Publishing this distorted LIE. I had thought that your staff would have had a better understanding of the English language.

I am frankly Shocked that the BBC News would participate in this distortion and Slander of another News Organization.

(sign name here)


(The line, "I had thought that your staff would have had a better understanding of the English language..." could be omitted, as that was meant as a backhanded slap, directed at the BBC.)


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:06 PM
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22. Thank you. I made this same point in several posts
I haven't seen anything ressembling a real retraction. I keep hearing about it but have yet to find it. Everything I've seen seems to indicate they're sticking to their guns and parsing their words in a very Kerryesque type of way.

Whitaker's interview over the week-end contradicts the brouhaha about any real "retraction".
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:16 PM
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23. Thanks, This is just the Echo effect at it worst
Peace to you:pals:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:19 PM
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24. Exactly
I noticed this last night watching MSRNC and Faux, chuckling to myself that these idjuts are creating "news" that does not exist.

These gasbags are so superficial. Are their interns incapable of the same level of research an "average" DU'er performs. Apparently not.

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