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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:48 AM
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Meanwhile, in NJ...
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/njpolitics/052005SCHROEDERAD_M18.cfm

gee, I am so shocked. (sarcasm)

May 20, 2005

Schroeder ad misleading, analysts say
By JOHN BRAND Statehouse Bureau, (609) 396-9472

Robert Schroeder is not a soldier.

Yet the Republican candidate for governor explains to voters in his new mailer that he has "had the honor of serving alongside our troops in places like Afghanistan and Iraq."

One side of the mailer includes a close-up photograph of a soldier's face covered in camouflage face paint. The other side of the mailer shows Schroeder wearing a business suit. None of the text on either side includes any reference to Schroeder's career as a military contractor.

Political analysts say Schroeder, who has never been in the military, should never have used the word "served" as part of his political campaign.

"There's a difference between serving alongside and providing a service to, which is what he was really doing as a military contractor. A military contractor provides goods and services," analyst William Lutz said.

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more crap on the Press site.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:53 AM
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1. Oh, New Jersey. Of course.
I once entered a contest NJ was having - write the new slogan for the state, the one that would appear on their license plates.

My entry was "New Jersey - What Died?"

I got this nasty letter from the contest director. I wrote back, asking if that meant I had won.

No response. I don't think I won.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:56 AM
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3. Even though I live in NJ
That made me laugh out loud!
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:57 AM
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4. Yo, Jersey, at least has Lautenberg and Corzine, nt
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:11 AM
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9. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
It is a gloomy day here in South Jersey ( and while we need the rain) I needed that LAUGH.
So glad I wasn't drinking beer like that cat.

THANKS!

And my own brother has gone over to the dark side and is selling his soul for Shundler's campaign. Actually, this makes me *want* to spit beer in said brother's face.


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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:14 AM
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11. My condolences
After what McGrevey did to Jersey, and the mess he left (I have relatives in Lambertville, and a slew of them got state jobs thanks to McGrevey's gay mafia), I'm so afraid there's going to be a big backlash against Democrats there.

Pray for your brother ...............
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ianrs Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:32 AM
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13. old leftie lawyer
would you for a moment think of referring to a 'jewish mafia' or a 'black mafia'? One of the vilest of the UK tabloids once had a front page headline about the ruling 'gay mafia' because Blair had one or two out cabinet ministers. Unclever, unfunny and untrue. What about your use of the term?

By the way,was it bad or good that a 'slew' of your relatives got jobs thanks to this pink camorra, who by implication were so involved in leaving NJ in such a mess?

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:16 AM
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16. Yeah, I would
I'm Italian - 'mafia' is a word with which I grew up - and McGrevey's was so totally gay that he ending up taking down a hoarde of people with him.

What's wrong with a little reality check?

If you think I'm proud of my relatives who hitched themselves to McGrevey's gravy train, you're reading something into my post which clearly was not there.

My use of the term was appropriate, and it stands. Now, use your energy for something more worthwhile than trying to deconstruct and discredit language that conveys exactly what it is meant to convey.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:37 AM
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18. When he was mayor of Woodbridge it was known he was gay
and the people still loved him. They still do.

If you happened to watch the Republican state gubernatorial debate the republicans can not come up with anything better than a turd sandwhich. There won't be a backlash, save amongst those who want to bash McGreevey for being gay.

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ianrs Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:58 AM
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19. if
you phrase your comments in the sort of language that echoes that of bigots and/or tabloids then expect, in a forum like DU, to have that language questioned. Not knowing just how totally gay McGreevey's gravy train was, naive fool that I was, your comment appeared to me ignorant, disrespectful and homophobic. If you don't think that the phrase carries pretty negative connotations, then we will clearly differ.

You misunderstood my question about your relatives, which offered absolutely no opinion as to whether you were proud or not of them; I was genuinely trying to get an answer, the better to understand if your problem was with gays, relatives (gay or straight), mafia(s?), or whatever.

As to your last point, what your language conveyed was a small, probably insignificant piece of petulant bigotry, which I why I responded in the tone I did. It's not the kind of stuff you find on DU every day, so I don't consider it was a waste of my energy to enquire further. Thanks so much for your solicitude in this regard.




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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:37 AM
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21. It's machine politics, whether in Philly, Joisey, RI or the Windy City
Wasp, Italian, black, gay, whatever. Whoever is in power rewards his friends. If I ever were to find myself in charge of a large bureaucracy through the aid of my supporters/friends/fellow travelers/whatever, I would probably be inclined to bring on board the people with whom I feel at home. An additional motivation would be that these friends of mine had been members of a long-disenfranchised group of people in the past.

I'd say ease your finger off the trigger a bit, with the bigotry accusation. It's machine politics Leftie is talking about. Which always creates one mess or another here.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:08 PM
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30. What solicitude?
I called you on your PC crap, that's all. Language is language, and it's meant to convey ideas. You want to box yourself in, feel free, but you're not taking me with you. If you can't tell the difference between descriptive and bigoted, I truly feel for you.

But, you're welcome, anyway, and good luck in trying to figure out "how totally gay McGrevey's gravy train was." That gravy train has left the station, toots, and it's not coming back for a while.

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:13 AM
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20. McGreevy jeopardized the Democrats
with his behavior.

He was becoming a liability.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:54 AM
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26. My grandfather used to play cards with "The Jewish Mafia"
I don't recall it ever being more perjorative than any other kind of Mafia.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:50 AM
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24. That made me laugh out loud, too. And I'm also from New Jersey
And this from a state that honestly wanted "Born to Run" to be an official state song.

Wendy this town rips the bones from your back
It's a death trap
It's a suicide rap
We gotta get out while we're young
Tramps like us
Baby we were born to run!
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:00 PM
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28. Remember when that asshole George Will
wrote a column - during Reagan's era - praising "Born In The USA" as a great anthem to patriotism?

They're such idiots.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 04:16 PM
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31. They still include "Born in The USA" on albums of Patriotic music
I saw it for sale at iParty the other day.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:51 AM
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25. How about, "I don't want a friend in Pennsylvania"
I saw that on a bumper sticker once.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:02 PM
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29. The PA Turnpike
I'm a PA native, and once, stopping at a Turnpike booth, said, kiddingly, to the woman working there, under those big, dumb "Friend in PA" signs, "So, are you my friend?"

"Hell, no," she said.

I loved that.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:54 AM
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2. I've eaten Chinese food in the combat zone
I guess that means I've served too.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:04 AM
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7. Er, I think that means...
you've "been served".
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:58 AM
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5. Republicans get easily confused by reality, like Ronnie Reagan
Reagan said he had been a tail gunner in a bomber crew during WWII, though actually he had been turned down for active service because of bad eyesight. However, he did play a tail gunner in a war movie once.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:03 AM
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6. They're not confused--they're creating they're own reality.
It's us anti-American saps who keep trying to spout truth and facts that confuse everything. Apparently.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:14 AM
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12. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express
Can I be President now?
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:10 AM
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8. What an obscenity this is
To equate his war profiteering with the poor grunts who are getting blown up and shot at daily is sickening. Few things surprise me any longer giving the appalling times we live in, but this one really made my head explode.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:12 AM
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10. OMG, what a great story!!
These chickenhawks crack me up :7
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:42 AM
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14. purple band aids
those purple band aids from the rethug convention nearly made me vomit.
Still do every time I think of it. Disgusting!

Wonder if Schroeder has a closet full of them???
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:07 AM
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15. I can't wait to start writing letters to the editor
ALL over the state of New Jersey. They gave us a wonderful opportunity here. Walked right into it.

Has Lautenberg said anything yet?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:17 AM
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17. If he was a contractor, I'd say WE served HIM
a whole mess of our tax dollars.

Scum.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:48 AM
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22. By that definition, Nancy Reagan "served" our military as well
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:49 AM
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23. lol, thanks for the ammo, Schroeder
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:47 PM
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27. Schroeder info
NJ Governor's Race Schroeder Glance,
5/14/2005, 12:00 a.m. ET
By The Associated Press
The Associated Press


http://www.nj.com/newsflash/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1116044167270230.xml&storylist=jersey

(AP) — NAME: Robert Schroeder

AGE: 45; born Feb. 16, 1960.

OCCUPATION: president, API Distributors, builder of portable structures for the military.

RESIDENCE: Washington Township (Bergen County). Native of Washington Township.

FAMILY: Wife: Tina, 45; two children, Brittany 11; Robert, 9.


EDUCATION: Fairleigh Dickinson University, bachelor of science in business management, 1982. Westwood High School, 1978.

POLITICAL BACKGROUND: Member of Washington Township council, 1991-present, including two one-year terms as council president.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Obtained post office and ZIP code for Washington Township. Got Garden State Parkway toll plaza in township renamed from Hillsdale, a neighboring town, to Pascack Valley.

ACTIVITIES: Volunteer firefighter in Washington Township for 26 years.

QUOTE: "New Jersey's on fire. Who's going to solve the problems of New Jersey better than a firefighter?"


here's his own site:

http://www.robertschroeder.com/
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