CLOTURE MOTION

[indy_azcat]

now

CSPAN 2

Vote Tuesday

For more on the filibuster-Byrd-Constitutional-Nuclear procedure, see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1791390&mesg_id=1791390

or from the WP
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/17/AR2005051701425.html

[ewagner]

1. Frist

threatened to make it today.....vote to come Tuesday or Wednesday...

[LSparkle]

2. So this will be the cloture vote that prompts nuclear option ... ?

[indy_azcat]

3. yes

more debate monday, but they vote to end debate Tuesday -

no cloture = attempt to kill filibuster

[dhuss]

4. It would appear so.... n/t

D.H.

[tk2kewl]

5. Now we find out what kind of backbone the Dems really have.

Do.Not.Compromise

[rhett o rick]

8. If history means anything, they have absolutely no backbone.

Some sound tough, but they cherish their parking places.

[Kolesar]

9. Then you run for Senate...eom

[tk2kewl]

17. If it were only that simple. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[indy_azcat]

6. and Frist is a wus for not doing it himself

Cornyn TX-R did it on his behalf.
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[rodeodance]

7. he chick chick chicky (frist)

[onenote]

10. I predict a compromise over the weekend

I spoke to a client who used to work on the Hill for the republicans and who is still very well connected. He doesn't think either side is certain of their vote count. He feels that several repub senators are concerned that Frist has allowed himself to get hi-jacked by extreme interests who are saying "no compromise" and that Frist needs to figure a way out. The same analysis, to a degree, applies on the Dem side as well.

onenote

[Avalux]

11. Why does it apply on the Dem side?

They must refuse a compromise. They aren't the ones who have threatened to change the rules.

[onenote]

18. in the following sense:

The analysis for the Democrats is similar to that facing the repubs in that they don't know if they have the votes and there are concerns that a "no compromise" position could come back to bite the Democrats if they lose the filibuster now and are unable to block an extreme Supreme Court nominee. The feeling is that the reason the repubs have decided to have the filibuster fight now is that they don't want to have it in the context of a Supreme Court nomination where more people will be paying attention.

onenote

[Avalux]

19. A chance they'll have to take then -

it's time to have a full vote and if the filibuster is lost, the fight must begin. Democrats must decide when and where to have this fight, not the repugs. If a deal is made now, can we trust the issue will not surface again? I think not.

[Kolesar]

12. Frist has to look like he "put up a fight"

To appease his Christo-Fascist brownshirt supporters. Then he can save face.

[tsuki]

16. I think if Frist compromises, he can kiss a presidential run

good-bye. Here's hoping.

[cestpaspossible]

13. Did someone make a motion for cloture?

[indy_azcat]

14. Yes - Cornyn put up the motion for Frist

to be voted on Tuesday

ETA: Yahoo news link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050520/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight

[Mitt Chovick]

15. Cornyn (R-TX) did

on Frist's behalf. 18 Repugs signed on (I think the minimum needed is 16).

This all comes to a head on Tuesday.

[dubyaD40web]

20. Bring in on pukes.

We'll shut this govt. down.