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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:25 PM
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Galloway On C-Span 2 Now!
Edited on Fri May-20-05 05:29 PM by Dinger
Sorry if this was alread posterd. First I've seen it. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a cool son-of-s-bitch! I want him -bad!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:27 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:28 PM
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2. OMG! I Can't Get Over This!
The ultimate bitch slap! Damn, I'd pay serious money to see him kick the shit out of normie, SERIOUS money!
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:29 PM
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3. Kick it's the best 40 min of TV all week.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:30 PM
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4. galloway
You rock Teacher Dinger!!!!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:35 PM
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6. Awww, Shucks : )
Can't help it, but I like to curse once in a while (not in school though)

Love to all you way-cool DU'ers.:grouphug:
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:55 PM
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19. dinger books
Hey Dinger,

Did you ever finish reading all of those submarine books?

and were they awesome like I said they would be!!!??
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:49 PM
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35. Wahoo!!! Is That You???
Yes, they were great. We got each one for our son for Christmas. I started with Thunder Below. He got the other two. Thank you so much for the recommendation! Holy friggin' cow, what a book!

I can't stand the blog, you know which one I mean. I mis the old format, a lot, so DU is my "new" home. It is so damn good to see you here!!!!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:05 PM
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39. wahoo
Yes, up periscope!!!


I have been getting used to the new "blog" format, as it takes
time
And for the little hiccup I have had in my life over the past 9months
but now I am back and doing better!!!


Make sure you read "Wahoo" then "Clear the Bridge"
2 of the best books ever!!!

Yes "Thunder Below" is a fantastic book, and the author is still
alive RADM Eugene Fluckey, I think he is 92?

I miss the chats
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:36 PM
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44. Coleman seems a little slow
I've only been watching for about 10 minutes and already Galloway has had to repeat himself several times!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:33 PM
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5. The reaction shots of Coleman and Co. are priceless.
:rofl:
rocknation
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:37 PM
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7. How can Sen Coleman read documents while listening?
Why is he trying to look bussy?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:42 PM
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9. Because He's Getting The Shit Beat Out Of Him!
Is normie cross-eyed?

Hey, we should have house parties and show this viseo, and donate to our favorite charities, or Mr. Galloway's campaign. I don't know, I just want to do something. Galloway is giving a clinic here, a fuckin' clinic!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:37 PM
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8. Worth watching again
Edited on Fri May-20-05 05:39 PM by Kurovski
it seems to have gone down the Corporate Media's big fat, stretched-out memory hole.

But at least now we know what asshole Hussein looks like in his tighty-whities. :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:43 PM
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11. fool Coleman
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:43 PM
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10. He was on BBC Scotland this evening talking about...
...this website (reason I came on).

It was put to him that only the Arab world took any notice of what he said, and that everyone in Britain had largely ignored him (not true, the interviewer was trying to rile him). In reply George said that he was deeply moved by all the e-mails he had received especially from the states. He then mentioned that the greatest support had come from the members of Democratic Underground, a group of politically active Democrats noted for their political acumen.


Incidentally, I watched the committee hearing the other day and thought that it was one of the most entertaining things I have seen on TV for quite some time.

Also, could someone clear something up for me (I am not an American - Scottish), George said on the TV tonight that this Democrat chap who said he never supported the war (Levin?) actually abstained at the vote, not voting against it at all. Is that true?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:46 PM
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13. "BRIT EXPOSES SEN. COLEMAN AS A FOOL" (Cap Times);
Edited on Fri May-20-05 05:47 PM by rodeodance
I posted this earlier on DU--but worth posting again

BRIT EXPOSES SEN. COLEMAN AS A FOOL; (John Nichols)




what a GRAND headline!! Yeah Cap Times!!
Nicols email is below -if anyone wants to say a THANK YOU

BRIT EXPOSES SEN. COLEMAN AS A FOOL;


John Nichols. Madison Capital Times. Madison, Wis.:
May 19, 2005. p. 14.A

Document URL:
http://proquest.umi.com.ezproxy.library.wisc.edu/pqdweb...

Abstract (Document Summary)
The U.S. media, which thrives on official sound bites, was more than willing to lend credence to 's overblown claims about wrongdoing in the U.N. program set up in 1996 to permit Iraq - which was then under strict international sanctions - to buy food, medicine and humanitarian supplies with the revenues from regulated oil sales. Even as Coleman's claims became more and more fantastic, he faced few challenges from the cowering Democrats in Congress.

The Senate investigation that Coleman sought regarding the oil- for-food program has already revealed that the Bush administration failed to crack down on widespread abuse of the program by U.S. energy companies, and that U.S. oil purchases accounted for the majority of the kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein's regime in return for sales of inexpensive oil. Indeed, the report concludes, "The United States (government) was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated U.N. sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing U.N. sanctions. On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales."

* The problem for Coleman is that is not a standard- issue American politician - the kind who has nothing to say and says it poorly. He is a veteran of the rough-and-tumble politics of Glasgow and the equally rough-and-tumble politics of the British Parliament. In other words, Galloway comes from places where voters and politicians do not suffer fools. And anyone who has ever followed British politics knows that George Galloway has beaten every political challenge he has faced - even those posed by British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Full Text (964 words)
Copyright Madison Newspapers, Inc. May 19, 2005

John Nichols is associate editor for The Capital Times.
E-mail: jnichols@madison.com

Norm Coleman is a fool.

Not an ideological nut case, not a partisan whack, not even a useful idiot - just a plain old-fashioned, drool-on-his-tie fool.

The Minnesota Republican senator, who took Paul Wellstone's seat after waging one of the most disreputable campaigns in American political history, has been trying over the past year to make a name for himself by blowing the controversy surrounding the United Nations oil-for-food program into something more than the chronicle of corporate abuse that it is........



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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:20 PM
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27. Sorry I missed this post the first time
not used to the format yet! I have only just noticed that it tells you which post replies to what.

I have to admit that he did look a bit foolish afterwards as he tried to pretend that his witchhunt had not been exposed for what it was - an absurd piece of cosmetic face mask built to deflect attention away from the real disaster in Iraq: the abysmal lies and collusion which went on prior to the war, and the abysmal planning and logistics after the war started.

And they said that George was not credible! Who were they trying to kid?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:11 PM
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48. Galloway told Coleman he was " a schoolboy howler and a fool"
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:16 PM
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49. good article!
thanks for the article! As usual, they tried to create a distraction and found themselves (Coleman, etc) in deeper trouble than they wanted to hang Galloway for!!

I liked it when Coleman asked Galloway if he knew where his donations came from...........then Galloway asked if Coleman knew where all of his donations came from!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:47 PM
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14. He Mentioned Us? Wow!!!!!!! Where do I e-mail Him?
He deserves so much for this. It sure makes me wonder, did normie and co. have any idea this was coming?? hee hee hee

Hey Galloway, You Rock!!!!!!
:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:50 PM
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17. i do not think they were prepared for this knockdown
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:58 PM
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21. I watched it to see what kind of dirt
they had on George. I was astounded to see that they had absolutely nothing. Everyone here knows that unless you have a really good case against Georgeous (his nickname here) then you better get your chequebook ready (he has sued many for lesser charges - and won easily each time).

They did not do their homework on him - absolutely astounding given his reputation here for his wonderful powers of rhetoric.

By the way, I think that I enojued George's savaging of Christopher Hitchens (they have hated each other for years and years - real animosity between the two) every bit as much as his formal appearance at the committee.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:42 PM
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31. A popinjay!
Thanks for the perspective from the UK...it's cool that Gorgeous (what a cool nickname) prompted you to surf over.

I'd be interesting in hearing the context of the DU mention, if you have the time (or inclination)...
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:26 AM
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61. In my original post I gave a sort of paraphrase of what he said
and the context of the comments.

He was very complimentary about the place.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:53 AM
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62. I emailed him, thanked him and gave him a sample of my art
Dear Mr. Galloway,

Thank you very much for speaking truth to power. Sir, it is hard to express in words my gratitude to you. In America, many of us are fighting an uphill battle, as you already know, against the fascist tendencies of this unelected government. In fact, I returned from Brasil in 2003 - my paradise - to fight for my country from within, but I find it is getting worse and worse. Your speech the other day inspired me to continue this battle, and made an impact on my colleagues at the Democratic Underground.

If you ever have time, please visit our website. You will find the brightest and the best of America, trying their hardest to fight for truth and justice for ALL humans on Earth - a real grassroots movement. Unfortunately for people like me, it is now dangerous to express our opinions, art, etc. without suffering abuse from government officials and their brainwashed brown-shirts. At some point, life may become untenable here, so those of us who are mobile are considering immigrating to more democratic countries... I have family ties that go back to 17th Century Scotland. May I come home someday?

Peace from New Orleans,
Swamp Rat

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:38 PM
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50. gallowayg@parliament.uk
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:55 PM
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20. Welcome!
Glad you decided to join us.
In regard to Senator Levin (D-MI) vote on the Iraq war.

H J Res 114: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
http://vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3201&can_id=S0430103
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:02 PM
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23. Thanks for the welcome
and thanks for the info.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:59 PM
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22. Welcome to DU!
And thanks for the info!

:thumbsup:
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:12 PM
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25. Thank you
and anytime.

I am pretty sure that there are quite a few of George's more memorable TV apearances on the net (though maybe not as spectacular as the other day). My favourite was when one of the right-wing hacks, who writes for one of the low-brow British tabloids, told George live on air (BBC question Time some months ago) that his collegues called him the MP for Bagdhad Central. He replied that she (the reporter was a woman) should hear what her collegues call her. 'can't be worse than MP for Iraq' she hissed on. 'It is worse, I can assure you' George boomed.

I particularly liked that one because I loathed the journalist involved so much - one of those pompous, pretentious faux aristocrats the English Tories seem to throw up with such startling regularity.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:20 PM
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28. Caledonian, Welcome to DU
:hi: :hug:
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:37 PM
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30. Thanks and
goodnight - it is way past midnight in bonnie Scotland.

I look forwards to posting in the future.

Slanj.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:40 PM
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45. Welcome to DU!
As well as the main forums, you may be interested in the United Kingdom forum (including a discussion with mainly British input on Galloway), and the Scottish Group (being a Group, you have to be a DU member to post - it tends towards cultural rather than political matters, though there aren't any rules on which goes where in either that group or that forum).
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:44 PM
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34. Here ya' go - Welcome to DU - Galloway rocks!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:02 PM
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38. Levin did not abstain. He voted NO, along with 2O Dems, Chafee & Jeffords.
George Galloway is wrong, if he said this.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

Link to roll call vote on the Iraq War Resolution, H. J. Res 114.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:25 AM
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59. Which makes it even look worse for Levin
n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:07 AM
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65. He clarified his comment....
When Levin said he didn't vote for it, Georgeos said "I meant you as a collective, not you personally"
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:05 PM
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47. welcome caledonian! thank you so much for coming here
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:31 PM
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56. Here ya go:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )
Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Joint Resolution Passed
Vote Counts: YEAs 77
NAYs 23
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

It appears that he voted 'nay'

btw, welcome to DU Caledonian.

:-)
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:00 AM
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58. Welcome to DU..I know the name Caledonian as a company..
that we do business with, in Scotland. I guess it's a common name there? Been to Scotland only once but very much enjoyed the trip.

If you happen to have named yourself after the company, would you send me a PM?
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. I am sorry I don't quite know how
to send a PM yet (still finding the ropes). The name Caledonia (hence Caledonian) is the ancient Roman name for Scotland.

I would imagine that there are a few companies called Caledonian (airline, a bus company and a lift engineering firm are three that I can think of off of the top of my head).

Incidentally, I was going to use the Gaidhlig (Gaelic) name for Scotsman (Albanacht), but did not think that anyone would understand the significance.

Regardless, good to see that you are doing business in Scotland - keep the economy ticking over and all that.


Slanj
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:46 PM
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12. Damn! Thanks!
But I missed so much already, when is the re-broadcast? This is a TIVO event!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:48 PM
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15. "Senator-your not listening"...te he
Edited on Fri May-20-05 05:48 PM by rodeodance
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:49 PM
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16. I Taped It Over man-dog's comments from yesterday
Kich of an F-U santorum, and HELLO GALLOWAY moment : )
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:51 PM
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18. WOW, I'm glad it's on cspan. Cspan rep last weej must have been
wrong. A DUer called them and asked if they were going to air this and they said they didn't have cameras there.

I'm going to check to see if it's being rerun again or if they're going to have access to a video on their site.

I must admit, I listed to parts of this hearing several times, but I never get tired hearing it again!
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Michael_Bush Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:12 PM
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24. If they run Schwartzenager, lets run GALLOWAY
I would pay a years salary to watch Galloway debate Bush and Cheney combined!
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
42. Ha!! Yes! Let's run GALLOWAY!!
but I don't think UK would let him go after his slam on those USA croonies.

By the way....welcome to DU!!! :hi:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:18 PM
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26. I rise to defend Carl Levin
Edited on Fri May-20-05 06:20 PM by PurityOfEssence
He took a lot of heat for his questioning of Galloway in the last few days, but now, having seen the C-Span rebroadcast, I want to foul the air with some serious contrariness.

Levin is an American hero; only two Senators who were up for re-election in '02 had the balls to vote against the IWR--which was ginned up and forced through right before the election ON PURPOSE--and the other one was probably killed out of retaliation.

Levin was merely asking whether Galloway would be saddened to find out that a supporter had paid kickbacks to Saddam in order to make oily money. Galloway wouldn't answer. Brilliant and noble though Galloway's testimony was, and historical though the whole thing was, he deliberately ducked the answer. Levin, when tarred as being one of the ones who backed the war, was magnanimous: he simply said "I did not". He didn't carp or suck pity for how truly noble his stance was, he just corrected him. Lest we forget, Levin wasn't some shrinking violet: he was vocal in and outside of the government against the war, and he was consistent and deeply principled.

The point here is this: one is responsible for the actions of his/her allies. Galloway's historic performance was undercut by his unwillingness to admit even a whiff of impropriety. Levin wasn't even asking him to do that; Levin was giving him a softball question to allow him to distance himself from any misbehavior of his cohorts, and Galloway was such a blockhead that he couldn't even do the obvious: say that the shady dealings of an ally would be a disappointment. Levin was actually feeding him a set-up, and Galloway was in such an indignant snit that he fucked up what was a truly legendary moment.

Don't get mad at Levin for this. He probably should have dropped it, but sitting there, as one of the VERY FEW Senators with an unquestionable nobility on the subject, while getting slagged must have galled him. An unfortunate moment all around. Levin had the sense to back off, and Galloway obviously seemed to know that he'd misstepped, which led it to be gently cut short by Levin.

Levin is a deeply principled human, and he deserves better than he's gotten on this board of late.

Now for the fun part: wasn't Norm just DESTROYED? He was caught, outmaneuvered and stammering. There was a moment of dead air while the cameras were on him that must have been 20 seconds. Good. He's a creepy thug functionary, and it's good to see him publicly called a liar.
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Caledonian Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:29 PM
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29. I understand what you are
saying about George's unwillingness to admit any wrongdoing. But you have to remeber that since he has come out strongly against the war, he has had to endure the kind of attacks you would not believe (The Sun - New Corp - put his picture on the front page of it paper with the words 'traitor' emblazoned across it).

He very much has a bunker mentality - and I think that he was not for admiting anything to a committee (which this Levin chap was part of) which had condemned on the slightest of evidence (which actually turned out to be even more puny than the CSM and the Daily Telegraph stories) and without even bothering to ask him to explain their flimsy evidende.

Perhaps on the day he was too single-minded, I'll grnat you that, but the behaviour of the committee (of which Levin was part) prior to it was outrageous in the extreme.

Consequently his elephant gun went off at anything which dared to pee out from behind the shrubs (pun intended) where the attack started
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:58 PM
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37. I completely agree, and he also recovered at the end
To paraphrase, when responding to the chair in the last moments, he said something to the effect of "and by doing so, I'm speaking through you to Mr. Levin."

Such subtle moments say everything, and even in the heat of a major moment, he had the sense and deftness to make the effort. Levin also had the sense to back off, and I think this is not only a truly historic moment for the backbone of the accused, but the interplay that followed.

Carl has taken much, and so has George. To be in a moment like this was extremely awkward for both. Levin's schtick is propriety and calmness, whereas Galloway's is that of a gentlemanly bomb-thrower. Both have merit, and neither is superior. It was an odd clash of the like-minded, and my ire is more directed at radicals who are too quick to vilify Levin than at Galloway.

Fine theatre, I must say.

I just want to know if there's any video record of Galloway calling that Judas Goat Christopher Hitchens a "drink soaked ex-Trotskyite popinjay". Now THAT'S entertainment!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:55 PM
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46. There is a video record, because they showed it on BBC TV today
But I have no idea if it's on the net anywhere.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:50 AM
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64. They showed the Galloway-Hitchens encounter!?
Can't wait till it's an MPEG! Probably within a day or so.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:49 AM
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63. PoE, you defended Levin very well.
And you corroborate what I saw.

It was fine theater. Galloway is a fascinating character. He holds center stage very well.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:42 PM
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32. My Simple Email To George Galloway
Mr. Galloway,

By now your words are the "Shot Heard Round The World."

By now your grace under fire is known to all.

By now your courage is an exemplar to millions.

To that growing chorus of applause, I can only add my humble appreciation.

Thank You for speaking truth to power with eloquence, grace, and style.

You shall be remembered well.

Sincerely,

mhr
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:53 PM
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36. mhr GREAT e-mail to Galloway, i'm sure he will like your simply eloquence
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:59 PM
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51. Hi mhr! Great letter, and thanks. Here's mine:
Here's what I sent:

Dear Sir,

I watched your testimony before Sen. Coleman's subcommittee and my heart swelled with pride that I am of Scottish ancestry, to hear truth spoken so clearly, plainly, and without restraint to the frankly craven inquiry conducted by Sen. Coleman.

I know that many, many millions of people share my sentiment. Millions of us, in the U.S. and across the world, marched in the streets to prevent this atrocity, and millions more who did not walk in the streets that day have come to feel as we did. Since then, we have observed with tremendous dismay the silence of the U.S. media in exposing the falsity of the war's supposed justifications, as well as its true cost.

My profound thanks to you, sir, and my best wishes in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,


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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:02 PM
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55. Nice - Everyone Of Us Needs To Write Expressing Our Gratitude
eom
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:43 PM
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33. i tuned in towards the end and found senator coleman outrageous BUT
SENATOR LEVIN WAS INSULTING and dismissing of the facts Galloway put before him regarding the Iraq war, which, waged on a lie, has killed thousands of people iraqis, and american soldiers. I found Levin's behavior, to refuse to listen to, accept, or concede to any of the truths that Galloway was accurately stating, actually quite insulting.

It was like he had the power and he wasn't going to let galloway have an inch of truth to power

:)
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:07 PM
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40. As you said, you tuned in at the end; see above
Carl Levin voted against the IWR, and was very vocal publicly against it. As a senior Senator dealing with international issues, his was some of the most powerful energy putting the brakes on the anschluss.

Levin was one of only two Senators standing for re-election to vote against the IWR in '02, and the other one was either killed or offed by the freakiest of freak accidents in human history.

I completely disagree with your assessment of "dismissing the facts Galloway put before him regarding the Iraq war"; in truth, he was simply asking whether Galloway would be saddened to hear that a supporter had engaged in graft. He was offering cover to Galloway, and Galloway was in too much of a righteous snit to catch on.

Read my post above. Levin asked a reasonable question and got stonewalled. What's worse is that he got lectured to as a villain by someone who should have known he was a brave ally. You're witnessing the ego of performers in situations like this, and that's how it plays out.

At the end, Galloway figured it out, but that's how it goes.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:42 PM
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57. Here's my problem with Levin's attempt to besmirch Galloway
on this 'source of money' thingy.

What Galloway was saying is that the suggestion of Levin's question, that a recipient of a campaign contribution, has the obligation to do a forensic audit of the donor's entire accounting records to determine the source of all such funds is preposterous

There can be no dispute that such a suggestion IS preposterous and is an attempt to smear someone by association.

Galloway was RIGHTLY dismayed and correctly responded to the attempt to smear him by association and Levin was trying to further the dirty business of the Senate with this SMOKESCREEN to cover the criminality of the U.S.

I appreciate that Levin voted against the IWR (knowing that it would pass anyway).

I don't appreciate Levin working to smear others who opposed the invasion by using McCarthy hearing tactics.

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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:16 PM
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41. Galloway's sharp words
Edited on Fri May-20-05 07:32 PM by Bryn
Looky here: The Miami Herald in section OPINION (letters to editor) 5/20/05

This one sounds like a freeper's. Galloway clearly got the best of him LOL

"The longer I listened to British lawmaker George Galloway's tirade against all things American, the more I became convinced he must have attended the British School of Acting in the 1950s. His brisk Scottish accent and theatrical delivery were right out of an old Sean Connery film.

The first 10 minutes of his performance were somewhat believable. However, it then morphed into a stretch of the truth, I pray that our own guardians of the law and truth in the Senate can come up with sufficent evidence to prove that Galloway is one of the bad guys." J. Carol D., Ft. Lauderdale

Wow!! Galloway, the new 007!!!! :bounce:

Someone else wrote: (for Galloway)

"How refreshing to see someone stand up during a Senate panel hearing and tell it like it is about the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, the person who did so, George Galloway, is a member of the British Parliament not the U.S. Senate." Martha B., Miami

:)

edit to correct from "bay" to "bad" :P


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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:28 PM
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43. thanks!
thanks for posting this..........I wanted to see it anyway.
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:24 PM
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52. It is going to repeat at 11:30 ET for those who missed (like me!) n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:33 PM
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53. cspan playing it now!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:42 PM
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54. It's On Again - C-Span (11:32 cst) Just started (nt)
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