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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:19 PM
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Walter Pincus:"Prewar Findings Worried Analysts" buried on WaPost, p. A26!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474_pf.html

Prewar Findings Worried Analysts

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 22, 2005; A26

On Jan. 24, 2003, four days before President Bush delivered his State of the Union address presenting the case for war against Iraq, the National Security Council staff put out a call for new intelligence to bolster claims that Saddam Hussein possessed nuclear, chemical and biological weapons or programs.

The person receiving the request, Robert Walpole, then the national intelligence officer for strategic and nuclear programs, would later tell investigators that "the NSC believed the nuclear case was weak," according to a 500-page report released last year by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

It has been clear since the September report of the Iraq Survey Group -- a CIA-sponsored weapons search in Iraq -- that the United States would not find the weapons of mass destruction cited by Bush as the rationale for going to war against Iraq. But as the Walpole episode suggests, it appears that even before the war many senior intelligence officials in the government had doubts about the case being trumpeted in public by the president and his senior advisers.

The question of prewar intelligence has been thrust back into the public eye with the disclosure of a secret British memo showing that, eight months before the March 2003 start of the war, a senior British intelligence official reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that U.S. intelligence was being shaped to support a policy of invading Iraq.

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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:22 PM
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1. Another thread on the same story says Page 01 ....
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:27 PM
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3. They must have .... the f#ckers!
Edited on Sat May-21-05 08:31 PM by Pirate Smile
Sat May-21-05 05:45 PM
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WP: More Evidence Of Bush Aides' Doubts on Iraq

More Evidence Of Bush Aides' Doubts on Iraq
Analysts Questioned Most Intelligence

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 22, 2005; Page A01

Now it says:

Prewar Findings Worried Analysts

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 22, 2005; Page A26

On Jan. 24, 2003, four days before President Bush delivered his State of the Union address presenting the case for war against Iraq, the ...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:24 PM
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2. Pincus, always a shill for the 'company' ... and NOW they're in CYA mode
Edited on Sat May-21-05 08:34 PM by EVDebs
"..many senior intelligence officials in the government had doubts about the case being trumpeted in public by the president and his senior advisers."

What took them so long to speak up and protest like REAL MEN ? Afraid of an asschewing by some neocon Bushstooge ? The real people who put themselves out are those protesters (now all probably on some Patriot Act internal security lists) who spoke up BEFORE things got this far.

Why didn't Pincus report anything from his many CIA insiders before the SOTUS speech and March 2003 ? Operation Mockingbird ... go along to get along.

IRAQ NAM. They knew they blew it the minute they ditched the Powell Doctrine and opted for 'pre-emption'.

BTW,

"More Evidence Of Bush Aides' Doubts on Iraq
Analysts Questioned Most Intelligence"

when did Bush aides EVER have a doubt about ANYTHING ? This is the most revealing title of a newsleak in a long long time ! That they're in CYA mode is self-evident by now. Impeachment looms...
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:54 PM
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4. I think your wrong about Pincus ...
Edited on Sat May-21-05 09:04 PM by Trajan
I am SURE he DID print that information BEFORE the war ... and BEFORE the SOTU speech ....

In fact: I have the links in the old DU website archives ... I'll have to search for them ....

I know Pincus has had his suckass moments in the past, but there is NO DOUBT that he accurately reflected the feelings and mood of the intelligence community during the run up to this awful war .... It was DEFINITELY reflective of the cynicism and doubt .... and he does, better than nearly ANY other MSM journalist, bring to the fore the doubt that existed within 'The Company' then ....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 03:02 PM
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5. More about Pincus you'll surely enjoy
http://www.nndb.com/people/233/000044101/

"U.S. Army Counterintelligence Corps 1955-7

Writes on national security for The Washington Post. According to published reports, Pincus worked for the CIA during the early 1960's, though when John Deutch was asked directly if Pincus was an "asset", he claimed not, but did express familiarity with the non-asset. The CIA did pay for him to attend two overseas conferences, by Pincus' own 1967 admission. The Washington Times (a Moonie publication) on 31 July 1996 described Pincus by saying that "some in the agency refer to as 'the CIA's house reporter.'"

The CIAs house reporter ?????

Unless there's some serious CYA going on, don't trust Pincus.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:51 PM
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6. This is an old discussion ...
and yes: Pincus was 'their man' during much of his career ...

But frankly, that is beside the point: Pincus is close to insiders who are roiling with anger at Bush and the Neocons ... They DESPISE them ...

Pincus, being close to the old CIA/DIA cadre, has DEEPER insight into what they know and how they feel ...

IF the CIA grayhairs were walking in lockstep with the WH, then Pincus would be a useless shill for us .. but since they have been relentlessly insulted by the Neocons, they have been fighting back: through the likes of Walter Pincus ....

For the moment: Pincus is our friend ....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 05:27 PM
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7. It would have been better if they'd have 'fought back' PRE-WAR
The horses are already out of all the barns, the ships have sailed, and no impeachment is in sight. Pincus will be ignored like all the rest who opposed this fiasco. I risk retaliation (via just writing this online with Patriot Act) just like the disaparacidos in Chile who spoke up during their fascist encounter.

"For the moment..." I need to see results FIRST.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:31 PM
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8. I cant find everything .... but :
Lets start with this commentary by Ari Berman on The Nation: posted September 17, 2003 (web only)

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030929&s=berman

The Postwar Post

Ari Berman

On February 7, two days after Colin Powell's much-lauded presentation before the United Nations Security Council, Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus described how foreign government officials, terrorism experts and members of Congress disputed a key claim: the supposed link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Despite the article's relevance, the Post buried it in journalistic no man's land--page A21--where it had little effect. An article a week later by Pincus and military correspondent Dana Priest, "Bin Laden-Hussein Link Hazy," got a similar A20 placement.

On March 16 another Pincus article, "U.S. Lacks Specifics on Banned Arms," explained that US intelligence agencies believed the Bush Administration had exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam's purported stocks of WMD. Its placement: A17. Two days later, Pincus and White House correspondent Dana Milbank wrote a strenuous indictment of the Administration's rationales for war: "As the Bush Administration prepares to attack Iraq this week, it is doing so on the basis of a number of allegations against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein that have been challenged--and in some cases disproved--by the United Nations, European governments and even U.S. intelligence reports." That one managed to vault only up to A13.

It wasn't until May 29, almost a month after Bush declared an end to major combat operations, that Pincus, along with co-writer Karen DeYoung, broke onto the front page with a story headlined "U.S. Hedges on Finding Iraqi Weapons; Officials Cite the Possibilities of Long or Fruitless Search for Banned Arms." At that point, with guerrilla attacks rising, postwar planning in disarray and the weapons highlighted by the Bush Administration nowhere to be found, experts and politicians on Pincus's intelligence beat--and, more important, his own editors--began to stir. In June and July, stories about Iraq-related intelligence controversies written or co-written by Pincus, Priest and Milbank appeared on the front page twenty-one times. Between July 15 and July 21, their breaking news stories were on page one seven days in a row.

The Post's sluggish start, followed by its abrupt shift into high gear, was not lost on readers--including its own ombudsman. "There was a disconcerting pattern of underplayed or missed stories that were not up to the coverage that followed during and after the war," says Michael Getler, who's written critically of his paper's prewar failure to acknowledge dissenting voices.

-snip-

Some of those reports:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A30601-2003Mar15¬Found=true

U.S. Lacks Specifics on Banned Arms

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 16, 2003; Page A17

Despite the Bush administration's claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, U.S. intelligence agencies have been unable to give Congress or the Pentagon specific information about the amounts of banned weapons or where they are hidden, according to administration officials and members of Congress.

Senior intelligence analysts say they feel caught between the demands from White House, Pentagon and other government policymakers for intelligence that would make the administration's case "and what they say is a lack of hard facts," one official said.

"They have only circumstantial evidence . . . nothing that proves this amount or that," said an individual who has regularly been briefed by the CIA.

The assertions, coming on the eve of a possible decision by President Bush to go to war against Iraq, have raised concerns among some members of the intelligence community about whether administration officials have exaggerated intelligence in a desire to convince the American public and foreign governments that Iraq is violating United Nations prohibitions against chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons and long-range missile systems.

"They see a particular truck associated with chemical weapons activities keep reappearing, and they estimate chemical activities are there, but that and most intelligence would not pass the courtroom evidence test. For policymakers, who are out on a limb, that is not enough," one official said, adding that he questioned whether the administration is shaping intelligence for political purposes.

Said another senior intelligence analyst, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, we professionals say it's a duck. . . . They want a smoking duck."

-snip-

More:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42517-2003Mar17?language=printer

Bush Clings To Dubious Allegations About Iraq

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, March 18, 2003; Page A13

As the Bush administration prepares to attack Iraq this week, it is doing so on the basis of a number of allegations against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein that have been challenged -- and in some cases disproved -- by the United Nations, European governments and even U.S. intelligence reports.

For months, President Bush and his top lieutenants have produced a long list of Iraqi offenses, culminating Sunday with Vice President Cheney's assertion that Iraq has "reconstituted nuclear weapons." Previously, administration officials have tied Hussein to al Qaeda, to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and to an aggressive production of biological and chemical weapons. Bush reiterated many of these charges in his address to the nation last night.

But these assertions are hotly disputed. Some of the administration's evidence -- such as Bush's assertion that Iraq sought to purchase uranium -- has been refuted by subsequent discoveries. Other claims have been questioned, though their validity can be known only after U.S. forces occupy Iraq.

In outlining his case for war on Sunday, Cheney focused on how much more damage al Qaeda could have done on Sept. 11 "if they'd had a nuclear weapon and detonated it in the middle of one of our cities, or if they had unleashed . . . biological weapons of some kind, smallpox or anthrax." He then tied that to evidence found in Afghanistan of how al Qaeda leaders "have done everything they could to acquire those capabilities over the years."

But in October CIA Director George J. Tenet told Congress that Hussein would not give such weapons to terrorists unless he decided helping "terrorists in conducting a WMD attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him."

In his appearance Sunday, on NBC's "Meet the Press," the vice president argued that "we believe has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." But Cheney contradicted that assertion moments later, saying it was "only a matter of time before he acquires nuclear weapons." Both assertions were contradicted earlier by Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who reported that "there is no indication of resumed nuclear activities."

-snip-

Here are some post war comments by the WP ombudsman: Michael Getler

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54944-2004Jun19.html

-snip-

Yet the number of challenging stories that editors put inside the paper was, to some readers and frequently to me, dismaying. Warrick's important initial report on the nuclear program, for example, on Sept. 19, 2002, headlined: "Evidence on Iraq Challenged; Experts Question If Tubes Were Meant for Weapons Program," went on Page A18.

Here's a sampling of other stories that didn't make the front page. "Observers: Evidence for War Lacking; Report Against Iraq Holds Little That's New," by Dana Priest and Joby Warrick, Sept 13, 2002; "Unwanted Debate on Iraq-Al Qaeda Links Revived" by Karen DeYoung, Sept. 27, 2002; "U.N. Finds No Proof of Nuclear Program; IAEA Unable to Verify U.S. Claims," by Colum Lynch, Jan 29, 2003; "Bin Laden-Hussein Link Hazy," by Walter Pincus and Dana Priest, Feb. 13, 2003; "U.S. Increases Estimated Cost Of War in Iraq; Military Expenses Alone Projected at Up To $95 Billion," by Mike Allen, Feb. 26, 2003; "U.S. Lacks Specifics on Banned Arms," by Walter Pincus, March 16, 2003; "Legality of War Is A Matter Of Debate; Many Scholars Doubt Assertion by Bush," by Peter Slevin, March 18, 2003; "Bush Clings to Dubious Allegations About Iraq," by Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank, March 18, 2003.

Among the public events that were missed or underreported during the second half of 2002 were early doubts by some Republicans such as former House majority leader Richard K. Armey and former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft; hearings by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during which alternative strategies were discussed; hearings of the Senate Armed Services Committee at which retired four-star generals urged caution; comprehensive challenges in early speeches by Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and Robert C. Byrd, both Democrats; coverage of big demonstrations here and abroad that didn't make the front page, and coverage surrounding the views of outgoing Army Chief of Staff Eric K. Shinseki.

-snip-

Last but not least: Mike Ruppert refers to some of Pincus's PRE war stories, and Pincus's shady past ....

From The Wilderness: A Perfect Storm II

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/032503_perfect_storm_2.html

March 16 – On the same day as the Carlyle story, one of The Washington Post's biggest pundits for several decades, Walter Pincus, fired a serious shot into the administration's belly. To veterans of the 1996-98 popular nationwide campaign to expose CIA connections to cocaine trafficking, Pincus' name will be remembered as one of the chief defenders of the CIA. In fact, Pincus has been one of the Post's primary CIA conduits for more than thirty years. In 1967, he wrote a short feature for the Post titled, "How I Traveled the World on a CIA Stipend."

In a story titled "U.S. Lacks Specifics on Banned Arms", Pincus described how U.S. "Senior intelligence analysts say they feel caught between the demands from the White House, Pentagon and other government policymakers for intelligence that would make the administration's case 'and what they say is a lack of hard facts,' one official said.

"The assertions, coming on the eve of a possible decision by President Bush to go to war against Iraq, have raised concerns among some members of the intelligence community about whether administration officials have exaggerated intelligence in a desire to convince the American public..."

Pincus went on to detail how key U.S. Senators like Carl Levin and John Warner were questioning data that had apparently been misrepresented and/or hidden from the U.N.

An ominous note at the end of the story, reminding anyone who read it of Watergate and the demise of the Nixon presidency, added "Staff Writer Bob Woodward contributed to this report."

March 18 – Pincus returned again, in the company of Post Staff Writer Dana Milbank, to place more bricks in the wall that might seal the administration's fate. The story titled, "Bush Clings to Dubious Allegations About Iraq" opened with the lead, "As the Bush administration prepares to attack Iraq this week, it is doing so on the basis of a number of allegations against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein that have been challenged – and in some cases disproved – by the United Nations, European governments and even U.S. intelligence reports."

The story went on to document misrepresentations by George Bush, Dick Cheney and Colin Powell that made it clear that if George W. Bush was going down his whole administration was going with him. It was now a part of the official Washington record that all three had been guilty of misrepresentations to the press and the American people.


-snip-

So, as you can see ... Pincus DID in fact print a number of PRE war columns which were expressions of the CIA/DIA brotherhood, AGAINST the adminstration amd its war desires ....

You can hate Pincus, but he did ultimately deliver the real deal .... amongst the best in the early 2003 timeframe ....
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:40 PM
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9. Thank you, Paul Begala for bringing this Pincus article up on "Crossfire."
Edited on Mon May-23-05 03:41 PM by flpoljunkie
Begala is doing a good job today. Up next, discussion of Dr. Dean as DNC chair.
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