danalytical
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Thu May-26-05 10:46 AM
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Has anybody else noticed that McCain has been everywhere this week. There was the fillibuster deal, Scarborough Country, Late Night with Conan, and a TV movie about his life on A&E. I think Bush and Co are setting him up as the next Presidential nominee for his help in the election. The Bush team are trying to look as conservative as they can, and John McCain comes to "moderate" rescue. Bad cop good cop routine. Just a thought.
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Thu May-26-05 10:48 AM
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1. I think Bush and Co HATE McCain |
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... and the feeling's mutual.
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Thu May-26-05 10:48 AM
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2. He is everywhere (on TV and print) mostly because of the movie. |
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I don't think Bush & Co. are helping him at all. They want Frist.
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Fri May-27-05 07:53 AM
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28. You're correct. He's "going Hollywood" to promote the movie. |
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However, I bet that movie shows up again in 2007 or so when he announces his candidacy.
It'll soon be Memorial Day, so I won't bash McCain around this weekend, in honor of his service and imprisonment in Vietnam.
Come Tuesday, though, I'll be back to calling him a Bu$h**-ass-kissing sell-out!
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Thu May-26-05 10:48 AM
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3. He's setting himself up |
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They aren't helping him. He's hurting them, but helping himself.
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Horse with no Name
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Thu May-26-05 10:49 AM
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He kisses their rings, but now that he has gone against Frist, unless there is a huge divide in the party, McCain is toast.
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Thu May-26-05 10:50 AM
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5. I also think he's setting himself up. |
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But in political distance, 2008 is light years away. A lot can happen, and in any case, most of this will be forgotten by most of the ellectorate by then.
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Thu May-26-05 10:53 AM
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I saw McCain eat a bowl full of embryonic stem cells one time. Like they were cereal! I was offended by that.
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Thu May-26-05 10:54 AM
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7. sorry but i don't trust McCain |
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when push comes to shove he always sides with Bush.
he only gets our hope up that he'll do the progressive thing, but ends up siding with Bush.
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Thu May-26-05 10:55 AM
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barring some scandalous revelation--(in fact, not even that if he was the Right's choice he would automatically have the cooperation of the Media), he would likely beat any of the Dem hopefuls now on the radar.
How could Kerry stand a chance--not only with the loser stigma, but he tried to schmooze McCain for a unity ticket.
Hillary? Not a chance.
Feingold? I wonder if they both would abide by McCain-Feingold?
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Thu May-26-05 10:59 AM
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9. My thoughts exactly..... |
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McCain is definitely posturing himself for a run in '08 and I think the kissy-face deal McCain made with bush in the last election is proof of that.
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Thu May-26-05 11:05 AM
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10. The tough part for McCain will be getting the GOP nomination if he wins |
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the nomination I think no Democrat would beat him--the press gushes over him and yes, despite his conservative record--he appeals to moderates and independents because of his occassional high profile differences with Bush and the right wing. We can only hope somebody like Frist will be the GOP nominee.
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Thu May-26-05 11:10 AM
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12. I don't really think he'd be electable..... |
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At least, I've been telling myself that.... because, who would vote for him besides some Republicans? He would never exactly carry all the red states on imaginary fixed "moral values" votes, and being that he's a former centrist who has now sided with Bush one too many times, I don't see him getting many liberal/Dem votes at all.... to me, it seems only moderate Republicans would support him.
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Thu May-26-05 11:18 AM
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We don't represent the people of this country as much as I wish we did. John McCain is the type of guy that everybody not involved in politics thinks is honest and fair. He's likeable whether we accept it or not. I mean, the US elected Bush instead of Kerry for cripes sake. Imagine McCain vs Kerry, or McCain vs Hillary. We would lose Democrat votes, Independent votes, and ALL the Rep votes. If McCain stepped on some toes and caused an uproar in his party, well that will be nothing but a friendly argument in the minds of Republicans when faced with a choice between him and a Democrat.
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Fri May-27-05 07:59 AM
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29. Charismatic maybe, but I think he'd be a cinch to beat. |
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1. Too Hawkish and this can easily be exploited.
2. Too Moderate for the fringe Republicans who will sell their Bibles for 30 pieces of silver before they'd vote for the man who betrayed Frist.
3. His willingness to stay with the GOP and ally with Bush after what happened to him in the 2000 campaign is not necessarily seen as loyalty by a contingent of both Republicans and Democrats. It's either seen as Too Opportunistic or Too Wimpy. Either way it hurts him.
I don't think McCain could gain as many moderate Democrat votes as he would lose fundamentalist Republican votes.
Of course this analysis relies on two important caveats.
1. Fair and open voting systems. 2. A campaign willing to fight fire with fire.
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Thu May-26-05 11:08 AM
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11. He is too old and his wife is not well |
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We all keep forgetting about a thing called "brotherly love". Jeb is the guy.......mark my word.
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Thu May-26-05 11:21 AM
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14. Too old, too hated by BushCo, too Keating-ized |
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Thu May-26-05 11:21 AM
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15. I've thought that from day one |
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And I don't like the thought either. McCain would just be a mouth piece for the RNC machine. Different face, different voice but same ol' machine.
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Thu May-26-05 11:24 AM
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16. mccain is just another slimey sleazy enabler |
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he is just as full of blood and lies as the bastards he still supports.
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Thu May-26-05 11:27 AM
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17. The RNC is a big machine |
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I believe that any Republican that is or will run in the future for any national officie will only be a spokesman for whatever the RNC wants to set as policy. The candidate, like Bush, will only be fluff.
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Fri May-27-05 06:32 AM
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22. McCain's rationale for sending Bolton to UN-"Elections have consequences" |
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Edited on Fri May-27-05 06:46 AM by flpoljunkie
Not a good reason at all to send a man to the United Nations who despises the institution and will work to destroy it, not to reform it.
United Nation's Ambassadors "have consequences", too. Senator McCain. Have you no shame?
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Thu May-26-05 11:50 AM
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18. McCain can't win a Republican primary... |
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Either Alan Keyes or some other theocratic fascist will run against him and spread rumors about his "pro-choice" stance on abortion. Not to even bring up how pissed off the RWers are at him over his years of "middle of the road" positioning.
And he better not expect to win over independents and liberals this time around either...especially after W smeared his ass in SC during the 2000 primaries, McCain had the fucking gall to stand there and embrace him as he did something much worse to a friend of his in 2004. John McCain is worthless to either party at this point, and we'd all be better off not getting "hearts a flutter" when we talk about this sellout.
Piss on John McCain.
IMO of course :)
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Thu May-26-05 12:39 PM
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19. Evidently warmonger, Bush apologist, McCain okay sending Bolton to UN to |
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ratchet up war with Syria, Iran, North Korea--you name it. This tells us a lot about John McCain, and it is not good.
McCain's finger on the nuclear trigger--no way. The man likes war way too much.
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Thu May-26-05 12:46 PM
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if everything stays status quo (and that's assuming a LOT), it will depend on who shows up at the GOP primaries at the beginning of 2008. IF fundies show up, they'll nominate Frist or whatever RW lunatic is put up there. However, if moderates show up, they'll probably pick McCain.
Currently, I'd be worried if McCain got the nomination. I honestly can't think of someone who could beat a candidate like McCain. I know a lot can and will happen between now and then, but another 4-8 years (after THESE four years) of a Republican WH makes me a little sick to my stomach.
Okay, enough venting. Happy thoughts. :)
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Thu May-26-05 12:49 PM
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21. McCain has been chosen by the neocons to succeed Bu*h. Naive |
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"Reagan Democrats" like him and see him as a "moderate", and will vote for him over the Democratic nominee.
Republicans will vote for him as the alternative to the alarming RW extremism of the Bu*h administration.
Once elected, McCain will slam the hammer down and continue the PNAC agenda.
Please, don't be fooled by this guy.
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Fri May-27-05 06:49 AM
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23. And the moderate Democrats are helping McCain run for the WH |
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This makes me mad as hell as we know he is not honest.
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Fri May-27-05 07:19 AM
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24. If we had to lose, I would much rather it be McCain than Frist... |
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Not that I want to see McCain run, but it would be better than many others(if Dems lost).
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Fri May-27-05 07:38 AM
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26. Yeah, like guzzling arsenic is much better than blowing one's brains out. |
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Fri May-27-05 07:36 AM
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Fri May-27-05 07:41 AM
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27. JOHN MCCAIN IS A KEATING 5 CRIMINAL |
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He and Neil Bush are thieves and McCain should NEVER be president.
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Fri May-27-05 08:12 AM
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30. I've always thought McCain's best chance would be in a three-way race |
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I think he will have an extremely difficult time getting out of the Republican Primary; the Religious Right really dislikes him.
However, in a three-way race with a really Right-Wing Republican like Frist and a polarizing Democrat like Hillary, McCain could easily get 33 to 40 percent. God only knows what happens then.
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Fri May-27-05 08:21 AM
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31. I have to say I respect McCain. I think the reasonable wing |
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of the Republican party are trying to bring sanity back to the party. Unfortunately they are outnumbered.
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Fri May-27-05 08:36 AM
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The bear hug sealed his fate. He is dead to me. There were several republicans who surrendered their credibility to the Bush regime. When it comes to the 2008 elections, I don't know if they will FIND a credible candidate. However, they don't seem to NEED one.
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