Why Won't The WH Give Up The Papers?

[Me.]

What is in the papers that the WH doesn't want the senators to see? And what do the senators know or think is in them that makes Biden and Co. so adamant to see them? I believe that what is going on here is more than a faux filibuster and am curious as to whether there is a smoking gun involved.


"White House denies senators papers on Bolton nomination"
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | May 28, 2005

WASHINGTON -- White House officials declined yesterday to give senators the extra documents they are seeking regarding John R. Bolton, President Bush's choice to become ambassador to the United Nations, setting up a major standoff with Senate Democrats over the long-troubled nomination.” Cont…

<<<snip>>>
“Senate Democrats want to see documents relating to Bolton's involvement in a report alleging that Syria possesses weapons of mass destruction. But the administration has said that such internal communications must be kept private to ensure candor within the administration's policy discussions.

Democrats also want 10 National Security Agency intelligence intercepts that Bolton requested, to determine whether Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, acted appropriately by asking for the names of Americans mentioned in the documents. The White House has allowed the chairman and the ranking Democrat on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to review the intercets, but only with the names of the 19 Americans mentioned in them blacked out.’ Cont…


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/05/28/white_house_denies_senators_papers_on_bolton_nomination/

[paineinthearse]

1. Can you say "smoking gun"?

The truth will come out, eventually.

[babylonsister]

8. You're more of an optimist than I am! nt

[knowbody0]

2. im amazed by McCain

ensure candor?

[MADem]

3. Because I think they will reveal that our nation

...is SPYING on its own. It would not surprise me if Powell was being intercepted...or one of our Senators.

[Me.]

6. I Certainly Think Spying On Their Own

is part of it, but I'm also wondering if there is something in there that relates to the implementation of the plans the neos had to take over the entire ME country by country. No basis for that conjecture except for the mention of Syria. Also, I think people should be really vocal about this issue and asking why the WH won't give up what they are required to. A petulant "no" from them just doesn't cut it..

[AlamoDemoc]

7. Excellent point MADem....and if that is the case

it would not surprise me at all

[MADem]

28. Bolton was Powell's thorn in the side

Powell did not pick him, he was PLACED at State without his say-so. And Condi wants him OUT OF THERE. No doubt she knows what he can do.

And I don't think it is accidental that Powell was on the phone lobbying AGAINST this appointment in advance of the subcommittee vote.

[burythehatchet]

34. there's no doubt in my mind that it will reveal that the bastard was spyin

on his boss. That is treason, is it not?

[MADem]

35. Not if it was endorsed by the Ultimate Boss, the Chimp n/t

[Robeson]

45. Oh come on, we don't spy on our own citizens, thats something...

...they would have done in the old USSR. This is America!!!

By-the-way, I also still believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny....;-)

[flpeach]

4. I Certainly Hope . . .

Cloture is NOT forthcoming unless the Senators get the information they need!! Damnitall, how can they make a fair evaluation without information!!??

The Dems should keep this nomination blocked. To hell with them. Send them a message!! Period. or exclamation point!

[Nite Owl]

5. As long as the dems

stick together on this we got them in a box. Hopefully they will never let this come to a vote. Unless they decide to use the nuclear option for people other than judges and then we'll see if that magnificent middle really holds.

[Payback Time]

Don't you think they will release the papers eventually

but they'll be incomplete and/or doctored like Bush's reservist records?

[Nite Owl]

18. That's just where they will need

to stand up to the repukes who will be claiming that they got the info and are still not allowing a vote.

[ebayfool]

37. They gave them the ones w/the names - the names were blacked out.

That's partially the reason for the fight, the Senators want to know just who he was spying on & the justification. It was already said that there were American names on them.

[Payback Time]

9. Don't you think they will release the papers eventually

but they'll be incomplete and/or doctored like Bush's reservist records?

[Me.]

10. They Did Release Them To Rockefeller & Roberts

But they were so redacted they couldn't read them. Biden is asking for them in their original state.

[priller]

27. No. Secrecy and control is more important to Cheney and Rove

than the Bolton nomination. Instead, they'll put the squeeze on the pukes to ram him through anyway.

[Internut]

15. No need to use "nuclear option" -

Bush can just wait for recess and appoint Bolton as a "recess appointment".

[Me.]

17. That'd Be Just Fine With Me

cause as I said on another thread, I am hoping he does go. I'm betting that within six months he will prove to be a huge embarrassment and disgrace. The knives are out for him at the UN, they are ready and waiting. If * does it as a recess appointment the blame will fall squarely at his feet. For me, no matter what happens with Bolton it is a win, win. If he gets the appointment or if the senators use those out of flabby muscles and deny him the position, we are on the better side of the outcome. The papers are a different issue and the adamant refusal says to me there is something in them we need to see.

[ktowntennesseedem]

11. They are hiding something serious (duh!)

It may only reflect negatively on Bolton and serve to drive the final nail in his confirmation coffin. But I'm prone to believe the smoking gun will implicate many more than just Bolton, with far worse faults than just intimidating subordinates. And I am just as much worried that Cheney's nomination (just being honest!) will be sacrificed in order to protect this damning information.

I hope the Dems stay united on Bolton as long as it takes, because if the hidden info ever sees the light of day, his nomination is sunk; just too many Repubs seeking another term in '06. But I think this is info we need to see, Bolton or no Bolton. Even if they defeat or withdraw him, we need to keep pressing for its release.

[Me.]

12. I Heard It Said

that if we don't see * appear sometime over this weekend with Bolton, his nomination is sunk because it sends a signal that they aren't willing to stand up for him. And yes, we do need to see those papers because I agree with with that the implications of the info in them may be far broader than we initially suspect.

[ktowntennesseedem]

14. I also read somewhere (another DU thread probably!) that Cheney

would make the call on Bolton, since it was basically his recommendation (and since he's really the president!). Cheney DID come out yesterday and sang Bolton's praises, but then it might have all been for show. Figurehead or not, it would have been a clear signal of confidence in Bolton had Chimp appeared with him following the cloture failure; his silence is sending just as clear a signal of the opposite.

I guess we'll know for sure in the next couple of weeks.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. I hope so too

Every democrat stays united. They are hiding these papers for some reason. It has to be damning, why else would they be hiding them?

[Jacobin]

13. Because they are so complimentary of Bolton

and show he would be such a great and strong diplomat that they don't want to the Democrats on the committee to be embarrassed, after having said bad stuff about him.

Bush* is nothing if he's not compassionate.

(do I really need the sarcasm disclaimer thingy?....: ;-)

[tinfoilinfor2005]

43. and don't forget the part

about him saving that orphanage;
and replacing the fallen baby bird in its nest;
and baking cookies to take to the nursing home.

Yep, as soon as they release those papers, everyone will go, "AWWWWWWW!"

[snowbear]

16. The papers are put away nicely..

..along with the missing 28 pages of the 911 Comission's Report, the name of the person who ousted Valerie Plame, the DieBold Plan, and God only knows what else..

Even if they do appoint Bolton without this information being turned over...

The damage has been done.. :headbang:

[salin]

19. I think it is a powerplay, pure and simple

the documents are certainly so heavily redacted that they wouldn't say much of anything. But from day one Cheney has been on a power play mission to make congress subordinate to the executive branch.


There could be something in the papers - but just as likely this is a bully strong arm tactic powerplay. They believe they will win without having to do so - and there for want to show the senate that how much power they have. Its a figurative manhandling... and one I think meant to weaken the moderates - the seven compromisers - on the filibuster.

[kentuck]

20. I agree....

there will be unbearable pressure on those Repubs that dared to challenge the Boy King...

[Me.]

21. Good Point!

It's not like they haven't done this before...Cheney and the meetings on energy for starters.

[Chicago1]

22. The JUDGES will have to FORCE the WH to turn all over

It will be the court system that will have to force this MAFIA to turn things over. They are are last hope. There is probably ALOT of evidence and things that will reveal MORE SCANDAL.

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
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[Me.]

24. Unless The Case Is Brought Before The Same Judge

who just gave Cheney a pass on the energy matter.

[ngGale]

38. That judge was put on the bench by...

Poppy Bush. Packing the courts has its points - this was one of them. Cheney was never in dutch, if these papers come out he could be, IMO. All of the minions could go down.

[Me.]

39. That Is The Point Isn't It

Both Cheney & * could be in trouble over any number of things, the war, plame, secret energy deals, neo-con agenda, torture etc, Any of these plus any number of others could cook their goose. What we've all been searching for these past five is the trigger, but so far they've managed to file the serial numbers off. This one, however has real potential, along with the memo. But nothing will happen, again, unless there is an outcry. And it may take more than weeks. In six months, these slimes are going to be in an even worse position, for they are on a downward trend now. It may take at least that long for our outrage to finally get traction.

[Vinca]

23. Maybe it would be a good idea to allow Bolton to be installed in the UN,

then bring Larry Flynt to the forefront with his swinger's club information, trot out the exwife who was coerced into participating and every other bit of trash out there. Let the fundies know that once again their fearless leader has strayed from the fold. Oops, I forgot. A whole lot of the fundies are under investigation for sex offenses. Scratch the plan.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. I think

there's either something there that could be damning to them or they're just being stubborn and it's all about power and control.

[Poiuyt]

29. They contain embarrassing photos of Bolton at Plato's Retreat

Along with Jeff Gannon and Dick Cheney with his new penile implant.

[H2O Man]

30. I believe that Bolton

is connected with the VP's private intelligence agencies' efforts to introduce false evidence (Niger yellow cake), to pass actual evidence (neocon spy scandal), and things of this nature. I'm not at all interested in his sex life; have only a small concern about his angry personality and management style; but am very concerned about his playing "Mission: Impossible" in trying to further his violent and amoral world-view.

[Me.]

31. Hence

What is contained in them could very well point the same finger the Downing Street Memo is.

[H2O Man]

32. Right.

Bush wants him in the UN to push the dangerous agenda that has brought us the Iraqi war, and which threatens to spread the violence to Syria by land, and to Iran by air. Their agenda is only partially completed: there is no chance of them calling off further efforts based upon their own sense of decency. Bolton is being pushed as a way of compromising any UN efforts to reduce tensions.

[Clark2008]

42. Well, it's not exactly a "sex life" when one forces another person to

have sex with strangers against her will.

At that point, it becomes criminal, not just immoral. This issue is about power, not sex.

That coupled with all the evil stuff is just another nail in the coffin. However, it might take the criminal sex stuff to get the sheeple's attention. Sadly.

[H2O Man]

46. I must admit

that I have opted not to read about his sex life. If there was a misconduct that is criminal in nature, then I stand corrected. I had assumed that it was consensual sex that was being discussed.

It's a strange thing: during the Chicago 7 trial, one of the things the prosecutors were really upset about was Abbie Hoffman's "plans" to have 20,000 naked couples walking around a lake. The "plan" to dump LSD into the water reservoir was recognized (eventually) as a joke. But naked people was no laughing matter.

So I assumed that the discussion of Bolton's sex life verged on an unhealthy interest into something that is none of our business. If it actually involved force, certainly it is a valid topic.

[leftofthedial]

33. something that would definitively kill Bolton's candidacy

but they don't really need a reason. they just reflexively hid things.

[Rainscents]

36. Oh yea, when and if they release the paper...They'll back out the you know

what and say... Here is the documents! And Dem's will say, yea, we have it now and we will vote for Bolton!
This is what the WH has done, over and over and Dem's always says... yes sir, we are with you, sir!

[Scout1071]

40. Is it because Bolton was spying on US Senators?

Me thinks he may have been intercepting Dem Senators.....

[DearAbby]

41. LTTEs all over the country....WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE HIDING?

why wont they allow Senate to see the documents requested to make an informed comfirmation of Bolton...What are they hiding and why?

[Jose Diablo]

44. Speculation..but I wonder

who it was that was buying so many put options on American and United Airline stock just prior to 9-11.