How many of you still can't get over 2000?

[cobaindrain]

I just haven't been able to let it go, I don't know how or why (well I know exactly why, it was a goddam crime) it still bugs me, I still think about it at times. We shouldn't get over it, we should be working day and night to find something on election theft 2000 that it will be so damaging to Bush, so incriminating, that it will catch him red handed and force him to resign. I don't know why this is coming to me now, but I know this damning piece of information is out there SOMEWHERE.

What goes around comes around, I still feel as though this president is going down, and it'll be the election of 2000, not Iraq or abu ghraib or any of the crimes he committed. Somewhere in the next 3 years a piece of info will slip out in some blog and it will lead to a monica type impeachment of bush, only this will be far more serious. Once he's nailed on 2000, he'll be nailed on Iraq etc. it'll all come out.

don't ask me why, I can just feel it. Al Gore will be vindicated, and he will be president one day.

[saltpoint]

1. Little kids on a playground know when someone has cheated,

and they know that cheating is wrong.

Bush cheated. I hope your prediction comes true and the boomerrang knocks his reputation for the loop it deserves.

In truth, Al Gore was never my very favorite Democrat but he was smart, tough, and entirely qualified for the job, unlike his halfwit opponent.

[Raster]

6. the absolute tragedy is that just about EVERYONE with a brain has a gut

feeling that tells them something wasn't and isn't right. Just about everyone. All rationale and justification aside, I don't believe even most repukes believe bush* won fairly, lawfully and legally either time. Face it, we, as a country were willing to buy the big lie because we didn't want to have to even consider the alternative(s). We are all witness to the greatest gamble and subsequent fuck ups and misjudgments in our country's history.

Common sense tells you if you're in a hole, first quite digging. Our problem is that we have madmen with messianic dreams of empire calling the shots. They'll never stop digging. Not unless someone takes the shovel from their hands.

on edit to answer your original question: count me among those that hasn't gotten over it. I never will.

[demosincebirth]

2. I'm pissed at the Democratic Pary

because they let'em get away with it! Not once, but twice!

[jobycom]

8. They're probably pissed at you, too

Think about it. What is the Democratic Party? The DNC? The DLC? Both of those groups are too small to go against the will of the nation. What was needed was proof that the will of the nation was not behind the MSM, SCOTUS and Bush. We didn't do enough to fight it. We didn't know how to organize, we didn't know what to do, but we didn't do enough.

In Serbia they took to the streets when Milosevic tried to steal an election. Here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, we were to chicken to stand up for our rights. Might have cost us our jobs or something. We all wanted security more than democracy. Well, not all. Some people gave it a good shot. But not enough. Not nearly enough.

So if you are talking about the leadership of the Democratic Party I'm not sure I agree with you. If you are talking about all of us, the people who compose the Democratic Party, then I agree.

[Q]

18. You're blaming 'the people' instead of those they chose to represent them?

Is it any wonder why the 'leadership' felt justified in doing nothing? There are too many Dems that come up with quick rationalizations like yours. It WASN'T up to the people to do something about election fraud, civil rights abuses and corruption. The Democratic 'leadership' all took oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. They failed in their responsibilities to the people.

Will of the nation? There were thousands protesting in the streets. The 'mainstream' media didn't cover it because the DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP didn't rise up and demand justice. In fact...the so-called leadership told 'the people' to 'move on' and 'get over it'.

We can indeed blame the Democratic leadership for being too afraid or complicit to do their jobs. They've had five years to make right what went so wrong. But all they have shown us is that they're more interested in THEIR futures than ours.

[jobycom]

21. Who do you think of as the leadership?

Thousands protesting in the street is like a fly crawling across a windshield. Millions might start to get noticed.

You actually just said the same thing I did, you realize. "Is it any wonder why the 'leadership' felt justifies in doing nothing?" Bingo. That's what I said.

Now, who do you think of as the leadership of the Democratic Party? You seem to imply it is the elected office holders. If that's who you mean, then which ones do you think did nothing? The Black Caucus did a great deal. Al Gore did a great deal, taking it to the Supreme Court twice, and to a lot of other courts along the way. SOME of our leaders did a lot. SOME of our people did a lot. Just not all.

If ALL of our people had risen up, made it clear what we believed, and made it clear that our "leaders" would lose their jobs if they didn't contest the election, it would have happened. But not enough Democrats made that clear, and our "leaders" did nothing.

So, back to my original statement, which you are arguing for, too. The people of the Democratic Party let democracy down. To paraphrase Disraeli, "They are our leaders, they will follow us."

[Toots]

23. Why do we elect REPRESENTATIVES again?????

:shrug: Not a single US Senator raised an objection.

[jobycom]

36. And most of them are still in office? See my point?

People SAY they want things all the time. But they rarely want them bad enough to sacrifice all alternatives for them.

The people in Serbia didn't wait for elected officials to support them, they marched into the streets and demanded democracy. Most Americans got bored of the whole thing. The message the senators and most representatives got was: Americans want this over with, one way or the other. Some of us may have shouted otherwise, but clearly not enough.

[demosincebirth]

41. I'm still pissed at them

I busted my ass trying to get voters out to vote and they fumbled the ball on the one yard line. Twice!!

[cobaindrain]

3. I always wondered

if this happened, and Bush is fingered, cought red handed for 2000 (through documents or recordings, whatever) then the whole administration is illigitimate, cheney couldn't take over, the whole election of 2004 would be illigitimate.......would gore be asked to be president since he won. what if gore declines? who would be president?

[jobycom]

9. No, even if fraud was discovered, Bush was legally made president

The fraud would be in Florida and a few other southern states. It would prove that the electors were chosen illegally. But the electors only choose the president. Congress has to approve that choice, and they did, and the president has to be sworn in, and he was. So even if the election is illegitimate, Bush would still be the president.

Now, that's not to see he couldn't be impeached. He and Cheney. Here's my dream scenario. Bush cheated, he gets caught, and he is facing impeachment and jail time. To lessen his sentence, they work out a plea arrangement. Bush and Cheney agree to resign, but that would make Hastert the president. So instead, have Cheney resign, Bush appoint Gore or Kerry as his VP, then Bush resigns. That way the will of the people is enforced.

Then after Bush resigns, we renig on the deal and fry his sorry ass anyway. :-) "Fry" meaning legally punish him to the full extent for his crimes.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

4. joined D.U. right after the coup

I will never get over the usurpation of Democracy! Sorry, I just don't give up that easily!

"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
E. Zapata

[tedoll78]

5. It still hurts.

I still remember that night. That month.

I still wonder how our country would've turned-out different this decade. This century. It still gives me chills, what we had within our grasp, lost like sand through our fingers. It hurts more than 2004. A gazillion times more.

I hope Al Gore is vindicated. He's already had a trillion reasons to say "I told you so" to the American people about his forewarnings of the Chimp's policies, but I think he deserves more than that.

[Turn CO Blue]

7. Al Gore

You know what they say about losing someone really close to you, "You never get over it, you just get through it!" That is how that criminal fiasco that took place in Florida is for me.

One thought that I never got over...I saw a biography of Al Gore one time, and how he had been groomed and educated for the office of president from the time he was really young. Public service is the thing that drove him...and the ultimate office was what he worked his whole life for...and then he was cheated out of it. We (the citizens) knew that he was the right one for the job for the time, and Al and all of us were denied.

I never got over that thought -- that we had invested perhaps a little time or money campaigning and a trip to the precinct to vote, but that Al Gore had invested his whole life...

I am shedding tears thinking about that right now.

[LittleClarkie]

10. I was a sheeple then

It's been over six months. I can't get over 2004.

I will still occasionally break down, the same way I break down when I suddenly think of my dad, who's been gone about a year.

If you've ever lost someone you know that feeling. I'm fine, then suddenly I'm not fine. I get that with both my dad and the election.

I can only hope that this is for the better. I think the country had to wake the fuck up. If they had to learn the hard way, so be it. Knock yourselves out country. Enjoy the choice you picked. But get it right in 2006, for fuck's sake.

[Lindsey]

12. I think about it every single day....

The intensity has lessened a little with time. It's devastating on so many levels. With God as my witness, I'll never get over this. I also have fantasies about him being exposed. I have hope that it will happen. I think that's all that has kept me from going ahead and making that move to Canada. Hope..........(and faith that goodness prevails).

[Cha]

39. I was non-political until

2000 and what a punch in the stomach ..that was. I didn't eat for weeks ..waiting and hoping Gore would emerge the proven winner.

We did get "through it"..until 2004. Now we're getting through that and on to the next battle. "If it doesn't kill ya..it makes ya stonger!"

Sorry about your Dad..I had the same with my Mom only this was back in 1997.

[Ksec]

11. I went and visited my Father today

I put a nice flower arrangement on his stone for Memorial Day. Hes been dead for about ten years and its still hard sometimes. Like today. Maybe thats why I cant sleep tonight and Im here instead of in lala land.

But the election is hard to swallow, no doubt. What we must remember is that George Bush is the best thing thats happened to Democrats in a looong time though.

[BlueIris]

13. I totally feel you.

And I would love it if--among the MANY crimes listed beneath Bush's name in the history books--theft of 2000 "election," is associated with his "presidential" initials forever. And poor Al Gore. I was such an idiot in 2000, and during the years he was in the W.H. I was a dumb kid. I didn't know anything about him; what a good person he is, or the kind of leader he was and could have been--and could still be. Anything is possible. As someone who really adores JK, I know what kind of suffering the passionate Gore supporters among us are going through, an empathy we all should share. Keep the faith. I know I will.

[Jamel]

14. NEVER " GET OVER IT"!

I find that NOT "getting over it" is the only way I can deal with it. It keeps me motivated, and I don't get drawn into their delusional way of thinking. I REFUSE to accept a lie. Everytime I see the dems having to fight over those "horrendous" Bush appointees, I'm reminded that these people don't even belong in office. We have over 200 judges in apellate courts that shouldn't be there. Condi Rice is spreading her madness around the world, and the WORST part of it all is that the troops and innocent Iraqis people are being killed each day because of their illegal takeover of our govt. What will it take to stop these lunatics?

[Lexingtonian]

15. cool fantasy

I can't say I was enamoured of Al Gore or much mourned the demise of the dominance of the moderate wing of the party, which he so represented.

But Florida 2000 was a travesty.

As I see it, the fundamental injustice involved was the ex-felon disenfranchisement presently legal and enforced in Florida. That deprives about 600,000 people of the vote outright in a demographic that has a 10% rate of voting nationally. The enforcement of this law was abused secondarily, to create bogus lists of people disqualified from voting who merely have a name nearly identical to that of a convicted felon- this is where Katharine Harris and Jeb Bush did their real damage, by making sure that all the large errors were in Democratic precincts. That probably prevented another 5-10,000 attempted votes, mostly in black neighborhoods. Thirdly, Florida's rural counties (Republican-run as they are at all levels) made sure to overcount Bush votes and undercount Gore votes to the greatest possible extent that didn't expose them to criminal prosecution. Fourth, the stacked federal judiciary- N. Sanders Saul, and ultimately the Supreme Court Five- were completely biased and pulled off a horrifying abuse or circumvention of 14th Amendment rights based on a 'states' rights' trick learned and made into a technique during Reconstruction.

We'll know what happened some day. Truth is, Republicans didn't think the Gore vote would get close to what it did in the state, so there was some genuine shock and frantic behavior. I think the evidence of fraud and malfeasance in counting and recounts will someday make an appearance from some rural counties. But the real monument to the fraudulence of the thing will be the majority opinion in Bush v Gore.

I think we're going to see something much more satisfying than Dubya resigning- we're going to see his Administration's hardline policy agenda fail incrementally and comprehensively and absolutely, and soon. Dubya is going to have to sign the order of withdrawal from Iraq and watch the warlords machinegun his "democratic government". Dubya is going to have to sign the bill that re-raises and reprogresses taxes on his rich buddies. Dubya is going to be called a torturer and human rights abuser, with evidence to prove he licensed it. Dubya is going to lose his Party the control of Congress and the Supreme Court, and thereafter control of the Presidency. Dubya is going to watch gay marriage get legalized and his theocrat and oil mafia buddies get reined in. Dubya is going to see the Republican Party schism and tank on his watch. He said he wanted to govern humbly and he's finally going to get his wish full bore. His will be the most famous failed Presidency in American history, along with Richard Nixon's.

[Jane Austin]

28. How do you do that as long as hackable machines

count the votes?

[TankLV]

16. Not me. Not ever!

That's why, if for some strange cooincidence or mistake bunkerboy or the repukes ever did something I agreed with, I still wouldn't approve of any repuke OR bunkerboy or his entire crijminal family.

[scarletlib]

17. Me

I will never forget or forgive what has been done to our country.

Bush and company were going to steal this election one way or another. It is a same that the dems were not truly aware of the plans and devious schemes they had in mind. Then maybe Gore and the Dems would have been better prepared to fight.

[liberalitch]

19. Every time I see Pres. Gore.....

I want to bitch slap the sheriff of Nottingham

[Totally Committed]

20. I won't say I can't get over it...

But, as John Kennedy once said: Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."

But, I haven't been able to "forgive" them.

I will tell you,I will never forget their names. I do work as hard as I can every day to make sure that we take back our government and our country. The DNC is still being too lame to enact any real reforms to help us, so it is up to us "grassrooters" to do the work. Once we are the Party governing, "forgiveness" could come, in time. I guess. But, being half Sicilian, I'm not sure when, exactly.... :evilgrin:

TC

[DemBeans]

22. I'll never get over it

A combination of criminal fraud and one of the worst USSC decisions is something that can't ever be just forgotten or forgiven. It's always in the back of my mind when I see this incompetent puppet that he got to where he is by sheer fraud and theft.

Not only haven't I gotten over it, I'm still angry.

[Justpat]

24. I don't intend to "get over it" now or ever.

I consider it my responsibility as a citizen to remember the
truth every day.

[leesa]

25. Never. They have destroyed so many lives since their coup.

[GreenArrow]

26. what's to get over?

They stole the election. They have no honor, no dignity, and are not worthy of respect. That they are lying, vicious creeps was obvious long before the first vote was cast. They have been unpunished, and un-shamed. I won't get over it until they are.

It's fundamentally an issue of honesty, fair-play, and honor. I didn't even vote for Gore (though I was rooting for him) but he won the damn election. And I have little doubt that Kerry won the last one, though if he had made some different decisions, it wouldn't be in doubt.

They stole it, and in time, the Republicans will choke on it.

[Joey Liberal]

27. Al Gore was my President n/t

[Zhade]

29. Theoretically, every DUer - this site was founded to protest the theft.

Ironically, there are uninformed people here who think 2000 was a CLEAN election.

:rofl:

[Lindacooks]

30. No real American should EVER get over democracy dying.

I will not 'get over it' and I never will.

[Davis_X_Machina]

35. Historians in years to come...

...will realize that 12.12.2000 was a far more significant date in American history than 9.11.2001.

You can re-build buildings.
And people can, though it's an effort, pull lives back together.

Where do you go to get your country's soul back?

[deadparrot]

31. I'm not over it.

If it wasn't for 2000, there would be over 1600 American soldiers, not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqis, alive today.

I won't comment on 9/11, because on that subject, I can't say what would have happened had Gore been in office.

But there's no doubt in my mind that we wouldn't be stuck in this quagmire had the popularly elected president been sworn in.

[Tippy]

32. Forget Dec.12,2000 the day Democracy died

Never, not yesterday, not tomarrow, not the day after...I will never forget or forgive..

[tnlefty]

33. I have no intention of 'getting over it' and I remind my kids of what

happened so that they will be on the look out for things as they get older, too. I have 2 copies of Palast's 'The Best Democracy Money Can Buy', the 'Unprecedented' tape, and I think that there is coverage of '00 in 'Orwell Rolls in His Grave'. Knock the dust off and either open a book or pop in a tape of DVD.

[Selatius]

34. I don't think any serious, conscientious citizen "got over it"

It's like asking your parents or grandparents if they "got over" the assassination of JFK. It never goes away. What adds insult to injury is that the government would stand there and lie with a straight-face.

[Zorra]

37. Why should I get over it? I will not stop trying to undo everything

the Bush dictatorship has done to my country until all their filthy deeds are wiped away or I am dead.

Everything action taken by our government since the 2000 Selection is illegitimate, and after we indict the war criminals we are within our rights to declare all actions taken by the illegitimate administration as moot.

[Cha]

38. Thanks for reminding me..

so much has gone down viley and violently with the bushreich..since then, that it needs to be brought up again and again.

I will never "get over it" and can only hope that something happens one day to bring out just how America was Betrayed as Vincent Bugliosi wrote about in "The Betrayal of America".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156025355X/103-0269093-0039048?v=glance

I wish you were right about President Al Gore!

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. I'm not over 2000 or 2004. A double coup

[Mnemosyne]

42. Still totally furious and frustrated!

I started out completely in shock on Nov.3,2004, Kerry was ahead when I went to bed, and the next a.m.... it's turned into some useful anger. I'm not sure anyones vote counted in either "selection". Did they really need the sheeple vote at all? In the face of all the bs, it seems not!

[Stinky The Clown]

43. I'm still pissed

see my sig line

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

44. I wouldn't say I "can't get over it,"

but it still makes me extremely angry to think about it, how we and the country were screwed by the Rethugs. Gore would have made an excellent president (maybe he still will one day-- who knows), and I'll bet there's a good majority of the electorate that's now gritting its teeth wishing Gore had been in the oval office. The unmitigated disaster of the past 5 years could've been avoided. Heck, in my more cynical/pessimistic moods, I wonder if historians might soon look back on 2000 and see it as a "turning point" when the US self-destructed as a world power.

The more I look at 2000, the more I respect Gore's effort and see how the press and the Rethugs damaged our country to put up a "horse race" when Gore was clearly preferred by a majority. With Gore in there now, we'd have a sensible fiscal policy, smarter foreign policy, protection of civil liberties, and renewable energy development that would make our country strong again. Hopefully, some election year soon, Gore will be again heading the ballot, as he so richly deserves to be the party's leader again.

[leftofthedial]

45. why should anyone get over it.

it was a coup.

[autorank]

46. Perfect! Why should we!

Fuck them forever for dieenfranchising 50,000 black voters based on a bogus list that THEY KNEW would do just that...and much more.

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