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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:59 PM
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Okay. I am now ready to make some daring, wild-ass predictions.
I almost did this two weeks ago but didn't have some of the details thought out and got cold feet because of the filibuster "compromise." But now I'm confident again, and I want to put it out there before I go on vacation.

The tide is turning. Cracks are appearing everywhere. The corporate media are starting to cover the Downing Street Minutes, and a few are even daring to say the I-word.

Even though I originally thought the filibuster "compromise" was just another sell-out, I have changed my mind and concluded that it's part of the turning tide. I now think it was actually an internal Republican revolt against total Rovian control and arm-twisting; by the content of the deal, it still seems like mostly a Republican victory; but in fact, the moderate Dems were only there for window-dressing anyway, a fig leaf to cover the internal Republican revolt. It stopped the neocon steamroller, once again, as has been happening lately. I expect that Bolton now won't be confirmed but that's really only a footnote in the real story.

1. Chimp/Cheney will not finish their term in office. They'll be gone before the 2006 elections, and there's a fair chance they'll be gone before the end of 2005.

There are cracks in the walls everywhere, particularly in the corporate media cartel. The DSM is increasing the pressure from outside and making the bias glaringly obvious to everyone. The Deep Throat hoopla is increasing the pressure from inside the cartel, from the many journalists who want to do real journalism but have been forbidden to. No one is fooled by the phony calls for new Deep Throats to come forward today. They all know there are dozens of Deep Throats ready and willing and already trying. There is no shortage of Woodwards or Bernsteins either. The missing pieces are Ben Bradlees and Katherine Grahams, and everyone in the cartel knows it. And for some reason, they're starting to let go a bit.

Here's what I think is happening: Either they've concluded that Chimpy is going down no matter what they do, or the corporate plutocrats are restless. They're thinking something like, "We bought and paid for every branch of government, we bought and paid for and controlled every significant media outlet, and we loyally suppressed all opposing information, and what did we get for it? Our investments in media are going south because everyone knows it's all bullshit and nobody's watching any more. None of us are getting anything except Chimp/Cheney's buddies in oil and gas. For the rest of us, the Dow is about where it was when Chimpy was selected four and a half years ago, the S&P 500 is down from then, the NASDAQ is down significantly; there's a worldwide de facto consumer boycott of our brands just because we're American; the budget deficit will cripple us for years to come; and the Bush-buddies' FERC-rape of California is costing the rest of us plutocrats billions. We want our share, and Chimp/Cheney won't give it to us, so they are now expendable." They think they can excise Chimp/Cheney and still keep control of everything, so they're starting to let media talk about DSM and the I-word.

However, there are two big flies in their ointment: Once they loosen the chains a little bit on real journalism, they're going to find a lot of resistance to tightening them again. Toothpaste out of the tube thing. And the corruption is so vast, so widespread, so depraved, and so pervasive that a cub reporter from the Outer Oshkosh Sentinel-Times-Recorder could come up with enough scandal in a couple hours to bring down several governments. Once they loosen a bit, it's going to take down a whole lot of people, quickly before they can adjust, and it's going to splash ugly on a lot more.

2. More people are going to jail than did from Nixon's adminstration. A lot more. This is going to be the biggest flameout in American history, by far.

And it's going to happen quickly once it gets started. In Watergate, the phrase was "twisting slowly, slowly in the wind." This time around, it will be flameout and blowback.

When real journalists start digging, we'll find out about corruption that even we at DU don't even suspect yet. And some of it will be at least comparable in depravity to LIHOP.

When the rampant corruption is known and Chimpy's approval ratings are really in the toilet, then people will finally be willing to listen to the evidence of election fraud and the stolen elections. And not just the last two presidential elections. Probably the Republican majority in the Senate was stolen; certainly at least three or four seats were stolen.

3. We'll have paper ballots for the 2006 elections. It will be too late to do anything else.

Maybe eventually they'll come up with computer systems, designed to industry standards, monitored by computer security experts, and trusted by the people, but there won't be time to do it for 2006. We'll do it the old-fashioned way, as an emergency response. When they finally tell people that their voting computers were programmed by convicted felon hackers, with multiple convictions for fraud by software, all the current voting machine companies will be put out of business.

4. Democrats will regain control of the House and the Senate in the 2006 elections. Maybe sooner for the Senate when election fraud becomes known and some are forced out.

It will be almost by default. The Republican party will be incredibly damaged by all the scandal. What we have now is far, far worse than Watergate, Teapot Dome, and Joe McCarthy all combined. Remember that after Joe McCarthy, they didn't control either house of Congress for forty years. This will be worse.

5. We will see the first major party re-alignment in the U.S. in 150 years.

Within 5-10 years, the Republican party will basically be gone, or possibly relegated to permanent minor status as the religious nuts party, if a multi-party system emerges.

6. That will be a perilous time for the Democratic party too, and the outcome is uncertain.

The corporate plutocrats will just automatically assume they can buy the Democrats as they bought the Pukes. To a large extent, they already own them anyway. Also, at least some Democrats will be caught in the scandals. And after the intitial shock and disgust of the scandals wear off, people will ask all the Democratic wimps, appeasers, enablers, and corporate tools, "Where were you? Why didn't you speak up about what was happening? Why did you go along with them? You spoke eloquently on January 6, 2005, and then voted to approve the fraud. Why should we follow you either?"

I think the outcome is uncertain. It depends on too many variables, such as how the Dems respond, how any unstained prominent Repubs respond, and just on many uncertainties. We could have a new party replace the Pukes, we could see both parties replaced by two or more parties, we could see multiple parties rise to replace the Pukes and in time establish a multi-party system.

7. No one will trust the corporate media again, even if they get back to real journalism.

They may re-gain viewers and readers, but they'll always be held in suspicion. Something will arise on the internet to counter them and compete effectively with them.

There will be large-scale divestment and dis-conglomeration of media control, possibly because their investments in media control went bad, but forced if necessary.

8. We get our country back.

Eventually we'll get universal health care, secure social security, a meaningful safety net, environmental protection, consumer protection, worker protection, and other things that the American people want but current politicians controlled by the plutocracy won't give us. We'll probably even get public financing of campaigns and re-regulation of some energy-related industries.

But then, maybe this is all just wishful thinking. Since I'm about to go on vacation, after a few hours from now, I won't see if anyone even notices this thread till next week. Hope some of you enjoy it.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:02 PM
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1. Wow. I sure hope you're right...
...but I have a sneaking suspicion that you should be changing your screen name to Pollyanna. ;)
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:04 PM
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2. Now That Is What I Call Predictions!
Hope you are correct. Expect to be with you in jail when wrong.

Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:07 PM
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3. Nice, but wishful thinking.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 04:09 PM by Stand and Fight
None of this will come to past. I would love to see it happen, but I am speaking strictly from the present situation and what I know of the actors. I was giddy reading it, but then reality slapped me in the back of the head. In an ideal world -- notice I did not say perfect -- these criminals would have already been arrested and imprisoned; however, in the world we live in, evil will triumph yet again.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:54 PM
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46. I disagree.
It sounds spot on, to me. It's the degree of the madness involved, which is more extreme than anyone could have imagined, or could *ever* imagine in the future.

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:58 PM
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47. You shall see.
I am correct. The poster and others are engaged in wishful thinking. I am sorry but that is very much the case. With Republicans controlling the information flow, Congress, the Judiciary, and the Courts there is no chance of any of this fanciful thinking coming to past. Sadly, we are stuck with Bush the Lesser. I pray that I am wrong.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:22 PM
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49. Self-deleted
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 07:24 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:39 PM
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62. I'm afraid you may be correct. I can't hope anymore.
I thought all my Republican friends in IT would see the Democratic light when they lost their jobs and the economy went down the toilet. I thought when the war went so badly, everyone would realize how wrong they had been to ever support Bush. Now I realize most people would follow Bush to hell before they'd admit they were wrong.

I thought Dean would become President and lead the country "for the people." Little did I know he'd cheer too loud thanking his dedicated volunteers and his candidacy would be over.

I thought Kerry was a sure win. He was no Dean, but he also wasn't Bush. I ignored the fact that after each debate where Kerry mopped the floor with Bush, Chris Matthews and his pundits would say they thought Bush clearly won the debate. I thought the people would be able to see through the media and realize Kerry was the only choice.

I thought the fraud in Ohio, and other states would be investigated throughly and Bush would be disgraced and Kerry might even become President.

I actually thought the media would feel like reporting the fact that an (ex-?) gay male prostitute had a White House Press Pass and was asking the President softball questions. I mean, isn't that just the kind of salacious material they love on the nightly news?

I can't believe in anything anymore. I just can't. It's too hard to get your hopes up and then have reality be so unexpectedly awful. I have a feeling we may see things get a lot worse before they get better. There is a scene in Schindlers List where some Jewish people in the ghetto are laughing saying things have to get better because they can't get any worse. Of course they got much, much worse.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:24 PM
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93. Agree w/disagree from KCabotDullesMarxIII!
The weight of the lies, scams and outrage are too heavy for even the elephant to hold-up much longer.

Like a balloon taking in water: The damn should break very, very soon. There is a strange mood on the Senate and House floor.

Strange... and agree: What's left of Republican normalcy are probably more troubled then one thinks. Remember, the Democrats had their powers firmly in bedded in w/the powers to be for many, many decades.

A pessimist during these most disgusting times, I too find it hard to believe, when the world is against you, and everyone has felt the outages and outrages, something big has got to give.

Then again, it might be wishful thinking on our behalf.
One can dream anyway.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:02 AM
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68. That's how I am
My psychic sense tries to tell me other wise but I just don't want to believe it. I'm not ready for any more let downs and disappointments. I did predict something HUGE will make Bush be brought down. It had to be something really big and right before the DSM was released I was having dejavu a good bit. I think it's the DSM that could be what I sensed last year that will bring Bush down. I did predict a Kerry win and was wrong about that (or was I?).
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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:09 PM
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4. I love your optimisum!
and I agree with you on several points. I hope we have the dramatic developments you speak of, but I think alot will go on behind the scenes and we may never know. The drip, drip, drip has definatly developed into a large crack.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:11 PM
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5. As Ernest Partridge says in his DU Home Page piece today ..
"Regarding probabilities, I am a pessimist; regarding possibilities, I am an optimist.

Read The Fall of the House of Bush. This excellent piece is a must-read for all DUers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/crisis/05/014_ep.html

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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:15 PM
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6. You are absolutely right!
You're spot on.
Very good analysis of future events. Too bad you won't see the replies to your post I'm sure they will be plenty. I for once will keep it kicked until next week.
This is not simply about keeping hope but about what we must prepare for. So that these tiny cracks that are appearing now become a full avalanche, with its devastating power of change.
I'm sure glad I checked DU right now.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:18 PM
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7. Not a chance in hell.
Now, could you please pass what you are smoking :evilgrin:
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:24 PM
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8. I hope you are right, but reporters don't seem to interested in asking
probing questions. They never follow up when BushCo and his gang lie about the numerous topics they have lied about. Just now in that press conference when they were asked about the memo, BushCo just said something like, oh that memo wasn't right and then NOTHING else from the reporter. This happens all the time. Is the MSM afraid to ask him for fear they will lose their jobs or WHAT but for your predictions to come true, the media MUST start investigating things instead of just asking light questions and then moving on to the next topic.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:42 AM
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65. Oh the Press does ask probing questions....
to Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and whomever these two may be "in love" with at the time... but on matters of importance... no. Why give that line space when Paris Hilton just got engaged??

:eyes:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:05 AM
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69. I think a lot of them are afraid to ask and follow up
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 01:06 AM by FreedomAngel82
Remember what happened with Helen Thomas? I think that's what they're afraid of. They have to have a job too. To me it's not an excuse, but I do understand even though it's terribly frustrating. *sigh* One thing to remember though is even if you do predict something or sense something things can change and do change. Just make note of it and see if anything unfolds. That's what I always do whenever I get something.
Sometimes a change makes sense and other times it's in the total reverse direction.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:29 PM
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9. and then it will rain peppermint candy!
oh, won't it be nice?

I hope you're right.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:13 PM
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26. LOL! I want watermelon flavored Jolly Ranchers
they're my favorite!

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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:32 PM
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10. I read through carefully
Not even one of these things will come to pass. I honestly believe it. We will have a permanent republican majority and it doesn't matter how horrible they become. They got the elections rigged and the media to cover up anything. I hate to say it, but after seeing what has happened over the last few years I realize it's fucking over man.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:41 PM
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13. Are you kidding... The sky is falling, the sky is falling
If you really think that why are you hear? What are you attempting to accomplish? What are you trying to understand?
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:42 PM
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42. what a cool line, may I use it? nt
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:32 PM
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11. You are right
the oligarchy is splitting over Bush. You are also right that they are worried about being able to control the Democrats again, as they are used to doing.

But if they don't bend before the wind they will snap and they know it. The first clear sign that you can break them will be when they ditch Bush.

Because even if they make compromises unless we learn how to control corporations, and capitalism itself, it will all happen again.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:39 PM
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12. I like your optimism, we need more of that
I think our party leadership in the past has been run by careerist pesimisists. If Rove teaches us anything, it is that we should be BOLD when we get the reigns of the country back.

It's time for THE NEW DEAL II.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:44 PM
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14. One evening as the sun went down
And the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking,
He said, "Boys, I'm not turning
I'm heading for a land that's far away
Beside the crystal fountain
I'll see you all this coming fall
In the Big Rock Candy Mountain

Oh, the buzzing of the bees in the cigarette trees,
By the soda water fountain
Near the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
On the Big Rock Candy Mountain

In the Big Rock Candy Mountain,
It's a land that's fair and bright,
The handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
The boxcars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the sleet don't fall and the winds don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Oh, the buzzing of the bees in the cigarette trees,
By the soda water fountain
Near the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
On the Big Rock Candy Mountain

In the Big Rock Candy Mountain
You never change your socks
And little streams of alky-hol
Come trickling down the rocks
O the shacks all have to tip their hats
And the railway bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and gingerale too
And you can paddle all around it in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountain

Oh, the buzzing of the bees in the cigarette trees,
By the soda water fountain
Near the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
On the Big Rock Candy Mountain


In the Big Rock Candy Mountain
The cops have wooden legs
The bulldogs all have rubber teeth
And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
The box-cars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the sleet don't fall and the winds don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Oh, the buzzing of the bees in the cigarette trees,
By the soda water fountain
Near the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
On the Big Rock Candy Mountain

In the Big Rock Candy Mountain
The jails are made of tin
You can slip right out again
As soon as they put you in
There ain't no short-handled shovels
No axes, saws nor picks
I'm bound to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountain

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:50 PM
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15. I got that high once and thought I saw God
:shrug: I love your optimism and truly hope you are a true psychic.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:56 PM
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16. History Majors needed!
The best predictor of what might happen is what already has happened. Are there any history majors out there who can give us some ideas? I'm and English major myself.

What civilization or government most closely resembles what we have here in America now?
What happened to it? And did the people learn, or did they get into trouble the same way later?

We thought we'd leaned from Watergate not to trust a president who keeps secrets. I guess we forgot.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:45 PM
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31. You're an English major, eh?
Could've fooled me.... :evilgrin:
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:00 PM
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88. French Revolution
The Guillotine worked fine for those 'wussie' French commoners...
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:00 PM
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123. We need to put the Administration on trial
the Guillotine is too good for them. Put GWB, Cheney etc in jail for 40 years.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:07 AM
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119. Democrats didn't forget.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:58 PM
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17. Thanks for the uplifting prediction....
Your words have filled my dreams that someone sees something that has brought me to my knees.
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:59 PM
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18. Why do you believe these things? (I'm not saying you're wrong, but)
It all seems so unlikely.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:13 PM
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37. Maybe on your planet
it seems unlikely.
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:49 PM
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58. Or any other
planet, that is.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:50 PM
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111. On your planet Bush and Cheney are gone before Nov 06?
Give me a break. I like the guys optimism,we need more of it on DU but come on...Bush AND Cheney both throw in the towel and walk away by November 2006. Sure....
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:49 AM
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66. "Why do you believe these things??" Really??
This coming from someone with an alien as an avatar...

Sorry... was the irony intentional? or just an entertaining happenstance...

:+
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:08 AM
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70. LOL!! (The truth is out there....)
Actually the alien describes how I feel in a military town. That's why I chose it.

But it is very funny for an alien avatar user to say "Why do you believe these things?" It was unintentional, but glad you got a laugh out of it.

:)

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:19 AM
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81. I got a kick out of it...
I know what it feels like to be an "alien" so to speak in a military town. I used to live in Colorado Springs. Oy veh...

:eyes:

Anyway, welcome to the DU! I'm glad you're posting. :)
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:05 PM
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90. Thanks. I got two plastic aliens from a science museum and they are
hanging around my desk lights.

I just decided on a new sig line. It reminds me of Jimmy Carter.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:10 PM
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94. I like your signature line...
funny how the religeous right can't seem to wrap their minds around that concept. :eyes:
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:15 PM
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95. Peace is not a popular concept with them
I find that they forget the things about Christianity that are inconvenient. Like "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." and "I could speak with the tongues of men and angels but without love I am nothing but a clanging gong, a crashing cymbal."

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:40 PM
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96. I think they embrace hate because it's such a cut and dry....
way of thinking. There's no nuance to try to interpret, no grey area, no wiggle room. The cherry pick the bible to find passages that suit their needs, but fail to read the rest of the book for fear the may be proven wrong.

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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:44 PM
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100. Black and white thinking is often misleading I think
Reality is statistical, not absolute.

I have read the New Testament 3 times all the way through, and I can tell you it makes a difference when you read the whole book in context as opposed to reading pieces of it and getting it interpreted for you. I also read a lot on the first century and the history of the Roman/Jewish wars of that period.

Freepers are usually not very sophisticated in their understanding of the bible and what it means. They tend to trust interpretations given by other people--usually some self appointed preacher--instead of reading the thing for themselves and getting some good historical information as well.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:00 PM
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19. From your keyboard...
...to God's ears!

We do seem to be gaining some momentum, don't we?

Thanks for the positive message.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:01 PM
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20. You made my day. What a beautiful fantasy. Even if half of it came
true it would be an improvement. I wish to hell all of it would come true.
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wabranty Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:03 PM
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21. Wow! To see W and Cheney do the Perp Walk. . .
from the Oval Office would be a special TV moment. :applause:
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:18 PM
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38. I had a dream about that very scenario the other night...
The best dream I have had in a while. It also involved the outing of election fraud and Kerry was put in office. Gotta love those dreams.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:09 PM
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22. I love your optimism too, but I'm much more skeptical than you.
I have noticed there are barbs flying from all directions toward this administration, and I have to believe some will stick, but to predict the Dems will retake the House and the SEnate in 2006 is a bit too optomistic I think!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:10 PM
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23. one area I agree with.... a stock market and housing market "implosion"
cannot be avoided UNLESS we have a "stagnant debt reducing consumer" for YEARS....which would be an extended recession...that is a best case.

A debt implosion is the other choice...either one would leave shrubby and the GOP in "shreads"...their policies screwed America.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:13 PM
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27. Are you psychic?
Please say yes! The things I have read from psychics say he won't last this term.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:21 PM
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28. Really, are you serious? Where did you see these predictions?
Are they saying he won't last his term due to scandal or death?
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:44 PM
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43. It was posted on
www.conspiracyplanet.com and I had a reading with the psychic Lydia Clar, before the election was stolen, and she said she read a horoscope for the world that said whoever would be elected would not serve out the whole term.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:52 PM
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44. One "Channeler" predicted in '03:
If Bush wins another term his "masters" will turn away from him, he will founder on his own and he will experience the greatest embarrassment of this or any of his other lives. I will try to find a link to this if there is any intrest here. It was very fascinating and contained many more predictions and tid-bits pertaining to our govenment and our leaders.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:16 AM
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71. I'm interested
It seems he's sorta falling on his own now.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:28 AM
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77. Here:
Let me preface this with some pertinent info which will make reading this easier. "Michael" is a combination group of spirits, who speak about pretty much everything. In this channeling they refer to past lives and the levels and attributes of the spirit known as G.W. Bush and Tony Blair and others. This is a difficult link to read without background knowledge, I hope what I have told you here will be of some help. If you wish I can also send you further links about "Michael", please ask through my message box and I will forward what I have to you. Here is the link you requested which I spoke of earlier: www.cal.net/~tedfont/Michael5-03.html
I will put this in your message box as well in case you missed checking back here.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:45 AM
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85. Wow, that is a great 'article'. I found the seven levels very interesting
and believable. The way they described Bush as a fifth level controlled my 6th and 7 - it makes sense because it is also my observation, allthough I'm no psychic. Thanks for posting this.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:24 AM
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83. OMFG - I hope this 'channeler' is right. I want * to be humiliated out of
office and then put on trial !!!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:54 PM
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45. try this link
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:20 PM
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63. Never thought highly of astrology, still don't but
that link was an interesting read nonetheless. I think I will be investing in gold and silver now.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:21 PM
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29. lol..... i don't think you need to be psychic to see the ecomonic writing
on the wall.

We are like "humpty dumpty"... and the egg will crack.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:11 PM
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36. Are you serious?
Which psychics?
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:37 PM
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56. LunaC re-posted an astrological reading she posted in Dec. & shocked me...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3794501

LunaC wrote:

Due to retrograde motion, Bush* will again experience the Saturn Return effect in mid-June but this time it's even juicier......Mars (action - ruler of his Power/Destiny) will be in his house of Courts and in conflict with Neptune (deceptions) in the house of his Foundations. At the same time Mercury (news) will conjunct the Sun (focus) in his house of Self-Undoing. The chickens WILL come home to roost! Bush's* Fraud will be revealed in the Courts, MSM will cover it extensively, and it should lead to his decline in power and stature.


The court thing, as I pointed out to her, is correct for mid-late June (see my sig and get with the program DU)! Instead of election fraud in the courts, its the World Tribunal on Iraq and war crime charges. I'm 99% sure that this will be what brings Bush & Co. down once and for all.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:31 AM
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72. Are you serious about
the World Tribunal on Iraq? I hope so. I predicited late last month that around the end of the year (in December) Arnebeck will win a big case with election fraud. Maybe not the case itself but definitley make him a lot closer on the investigation.
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:16 AM
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75. Could be. I predict that the World Tribunal will corner the neocons and
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 02:17 AM by Hapameli
the world will be calling for their heads on a platter (or dry ice for irony)...

I'm not psychic, I just got a feeling from some people who will be testifying or on the jury at the Tribunal that this is what they're banking on. The DSM is just the icing on the cake, but I don't think that the involvement of John Bonifaz with ex-CIA Ray McGovern and John Conyers is entirely coincidental. Perhaps its for the best that its not talked about too much, maybe they're banking for the shock factor. War criminals, officially, along with the rest of their "New World Order", which the Tribunal is also examining.

Read up on the World Tribunal on Iraq and add your name/group as an endorser. This is the ace up our sleeve!!!!!

www.worldtribunal.org
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:09 AM
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82. Boy, I hope you're right!
Crossing my liberal fingers.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:53 AM
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87. June / July of 2005? Now I have something to get excited about!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:11 PM
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24. Great stuff: all we need to do it is PAPER BALLOTS
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HullBoss Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:12 PM
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25. I completely agree with you that ** won't finish out his term...
I think I said right after the election that I would be surprised if he makes it much past 2005, certainly no later than the end of 2006. My feelings haven't changed.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:24 PM
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30. This makes me smile big time
But the only way this can happen is if we all start raising our voices, combining our efforts, and quit rolling over claiming defeat. Although things look pretty bleak these days, I keep remembering when everyone was petrified to speak against Bush as they would be viciously attacked as nonpatriotic. It was when we first invaded Iraq, the second time. At least more people can speak up without those attacks today. The pendulum is swinging to the left, but we need the weight of a lot of progressives to get it towards the middle a little faster because all hell breaks loose.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:45 PM
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32. Enjoy your vacation.
If these predictions do come true: :woohoo:

If not: :hide:

In the meantime: :beer:
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:50 PM
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33. If There's Anything Rove Knows How To Do, It's Win
I hope for the sake of the entire planet that your predictions come true. However, our adversary in each and every one of them is KKKarl.

A must-read:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050601/the_key_to_impeachment.php
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chrisbur Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:07 PM
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34. I hope your right but...
I don't know man. I'll say it again. I work in construction and most everybody I talk to is blue collar, conservative and.... racist as all hell. They don't really care about this stuff. I've spewed on for long enough and in enough detail that they should get it by now but as soon as I think it's getting to them, the next day they come back as the Queen of Denial. It doesn't matter. They've got them hooked on the racism. Heck all the isms.They don't care what their royalty does as long as they have air conditioned vinyl boxes to live in and money for Wal-Mart.
But, God I hope you're right.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:46 PM
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52. They've got them hooked on the racism. Heck all the isms.
You could use that to your advantage by reminding them of "Jeff Gannon." Or are they in denial about him, too?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:09 PM
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35. Psst. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale, cheap
pm me.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:17 PM
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48. Perfect answer, and very very funny.
They never give up, do they!!!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:51 PM
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59. Magical thinking
Its a lot of fun, but my preference is reality. More satisfying and more likely not to disappoint.

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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:19 PM
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39. Yes I too think the tide is turning, what we see up front is not what is
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 06:21 PM by candy331
happening behind the scenes. With General Motors talking about massive layoffs, the airlines basically in shambles, basically for the working people they have no where to go but the streets. Even though the rich think they are secure they need to refresh back to 1920's to see they are not. The country is in a vapor lock and the people are restless. Many have voted repug against their own economic interests but (the cspan repug yelper's excluded)believe me the bubble is about to burst and they will see they have been had and will be mad as hell and want take it anymore..... YES i too see the tide turning but it will be the people PEOPLE riding the wave and not the political entrenched squatters owned by the corporate world...
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:33 PM
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40. Boy I hope you're right
At one point and time shortly after the 2000 elections I read an article about how the Republican Pary was going to go down...That is one reason I stayed active in politics.

How many times have we said or heard people say HOW can people be so stupid....than the good Lord they seem to be opening their eyes..We have to keep up the pressure on Congress and the Media...
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:35 PM
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41. Key is paper ballots and counting all the votes.
That happens, everything you say..and more comes true. If we don't get that, it'll take a united American public to make the vote freep-proof. But I think we have reached the saturation point. And I fully expect more Downing Street Memo's to find their way to the American public's frontal lobes. The highwater mark of Bush Republicanism has been reached and we're starting to see the oily residue that remains.

These criminals have made an absolute mess out of everything. They've done nothing good for this country. That will be the legacy that will bring them down.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:31 PM
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50. 1. Chimp/Cheney will not finish their term in office.
Will Pickles catch Shrub in bed with another man - then run him down in a parking lot with Cheney in the way? ;-)
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:38 PM
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51. CuckooBananas, Darth Cheney, KKKarl Rove and Regime.......
ALL GO TO JAIL AND ARE ARRESTED THIS YEAR!!! You heard it here first. This bunch WILL NOT finish their term and they will be removed this year when Kerry & Edwards are sworn in and make room in all the jails for the people who are going to jail.

Things are going to get back to normal but this is going to take some time.

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHIILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
America's Work Stories
http://usaworkstories.blogspot.com
usaworkstories@aol.com
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:46 PM
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53. I wish, my brother!
You're in a very good mood because you are about to go on vacation.:-)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:16 PM
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54. think it -- dream it -- be it
picture in your mind the end result. know that it will happen. own it.

(it can't hurt -- prayer heals, right?)
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:25 PM
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55. won't happen. GOP majority? CLinton happened.
hey, you could say they pushed the Clinton thing to not only derail any efforts in his 2nd term to make more progress in our country but also to inoculate themselves from any big long and drawn out investigations of the criminal-in-chief they planned to "INSTALL".

people want Paris Hilton and runaway bride with a little Michael Jackson thrown in. They don't want boring senate and house investigations about how it is a bunch of brown people came to die at U.S. hands.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:39 PM
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57. I think you make some very good points
and I do think some of things will come to pass eventually but not by 2006
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:59 PM
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60. I know you are right about one thing....
the amount of corruption will be beyond belief.
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zara Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:20 PM
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61. I thought DU had a rule against Crackheads?
: )
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:22 PM
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64. Can you make it happen next week?
I love your optimism.:patriot:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:01 AM
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67. I do hope you're right
Whenever I sit down and try to think of what will happen with Bush I don't get anything past 2006. I don't know if it's me blocking it or what you predicited. I really don't know. Some things you mentioned are pretty obvious. Such as the whole gang getting impeached. I think so too. I've always had this feeling if one of them is caught they'll blame each other and it'll eventually lead to Bush and he'll blame Cheney. So they'll all go down. Will anything happen to Wolfowitz and Powell though? Maybe that's why Powell left. :shrug: I really do hope you're right. It'll be interesting to see what plays out. Earlier this year I sensed we'll be seeing more of Kerry/Edwards around mid/late summer. I think the only way we can ban the voting machine's is if we do take back the Congress and Senate. Until then though having paper machine's is the best we can do. I do think that nationally the republican party will be finished for a while. Maybe not for good but for long enough hopefully to where either Kerry/Edwards or the next elections in 2008 we can have a democratic president.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:56 AM
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73. Let's put some energy into ousting the Bush*junta
It won't happen in a vaccum or without incessant demands from us peons.

Come, get pissed with me and start the jungle war drums beating....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3807017
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:59 AM
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74. Amen! I'm with you on that!
And the Republican Congress has to go as well.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:26 AM
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76. I agree something like this will occur.. and I'm listening at the source!
I have been to the conferences and down to the capitol to hear Conyers in person.. I spoke to him about the media conference. I was at Take Back America last week...

go listen to the media bias forum Conyers held and listen to how he compares DSM with watergate.. and this is a man that was on the judiciary commitee during watergate!

We do have media that reaches millions... and millions more through them... as Bill Moyers said, we must be the Thomas Paines of this century.. and bring the word to the people!

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:29 AM
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78. I'm "warm" to this...
Not hot. Not cold. It's a best-case scenario - worst-case is nothing comes of any of it and war in Iraq goes on and anti-American legislation continues to be rammed through congress.

However, certain things are happening - Bush & Blair obviously and plainly lied in their joint press "availability" today, and the DSM made the major evening newscasts. Social Security "solvation" is a big loser. Bush's poll numbers continue to plunge (he doesn't govern by polls, but everybody else does.) These poll numbers indicate that a significant portion of America is waking up - and in the current climate, more will do so.

Oh, and it's STILL the economy, stupid. Even as Wall Street fattens the wallets of the already rich, regular Americans see higher prices and stagnant or disappearing incomes.

Hopefully (and this would be really fascinating to watch), Bush & Cheney will not be impeached until right after the 2006 elections, then a Democratic Speaker (Nancy Pelosi) would become President.

OK, so that last is MY rose-colored crystal ball in action, but I see impeachment as a likelihood.

hvn_nbr_2, I'm pulling for you.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:37 AM
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79. And then I woke up
Seriously, though, if all of this really does happen, I will start believing in god again.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:38 AM
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80. Last reply before leaving for vacation
No, I'm not psychic. I just observed how things seem to be shifting the last few weeks--more Dem spine, slight cracks in the MSM, and kind of extrapolated and tried to figure out what's happening. Some of the psychic links people pointed out sound somewhat interesting but I haven't had time to look at any of them.

For all the naysayers, thanks. I was feeling afraid that my hesitation got me behind the curve on this and everyone else had already figured out what I thought I had figured out. Obviously not. We shall see what happens. Oh, I did say these were "daring, wild-ass predictions."
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:28 AM
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84. One can only hope and pray that your predictions are accurate. n/t
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:53 AM
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86. Wow...
I'm sorry to say, sir, that you are literally wrong on every point.

Bush and Cheney will NOT leave quietly...and sadly, will NOT get impeached because of the DSM.

I-T-S A R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L-E-D C-O-N-G-R-E-S-S

Do you REALLY think these guys are gonna impeach Bush???

For Gods sakes people.

The BEST we can hope for out of the DSM (unless a MOUNTAIN of Corroberating evidence surfaces, for instance, a RECORDING of BUSH HIMSELF admitting it), is to put political pressure on the right, and to gain a few seats back in Congress in 06.

This notion of getting the majority back in 06, and having BushCo out of the whitehouse in the next 6 months is self-masturbating lunacy.

Its just not going to happen people.

So instead of focusing all your energy on this, lets get some seats back in 06, and get back to work, for fucks sake.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:02 PM
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89. I think I love you.
Anyone with a yin yang for an avatar gets my attention. Such optimism, I thrive on it.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:18 PM
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91. Will you marry me? I love you, already! Sounds Sensible to me.
I think you're absolutely right! You can feel it in the air and airwaves. There is something big and it's brewing.

Bush & Gang have ANGERED way too many groups. Way too many. They're OUT OF CONTROl big-time and even those that supported them know it.

Thanks for making my day. Aw, er... are you single?
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:22 PM
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92. I wanna live in your country!
It all seems to make sense there. The one obstacle to truth and justice is the media. If we can only convince them they would get big ratings and big bucks with a scandal of this magnitude. It would make the OJ trial look like nothing in comparison.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:55 PM
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97. The Case for Impeachment Builds
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 01:59 PM by seemslikeadream
AMY GOODMAN: I want to bring in Hans Von Sponeck here, the former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations. You were in office during some of the time that Jeremy is now just talking about. Can you talk about you being on the ground in Iraq and what you understood was happening?

HANS VON SPONECK: Well, let me first say, in addition to my role as the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food Program, I was also the designated official for security of United Nations staff in Iraq, and in that context, of course, we paid attention to what was happening in the no-fly zones. And what was quite noticeable is that after Operation Desert Fox of December 1998, there was a very distinct increase in the number of incidents perpetrated by the U.S. and U.K. air forces involving civilian property, involving civilians, and we ascribed that at the time as a result of instructions given by the two governments in Washington and London to allow pilots to operate under what is known as “enlarged rules of engagement,” giving pilots more freedom to decide whether to attack an installation or whether to engage in other destabilization attempts in the two no-fly zones, and, by the way, at times also straying over into the fly zone. The fly zone was not entirely without incidents during the time since Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

And as a result of this development, we in Baghdad decided very quickly that we would begin to record these incidents, not as they affected the military -- that wasn't our business -- but as they affected the security of United Nations staff, and, of course, the civilian population in Iraq. And that meant that we started to issue air strike reports where we every three months issued such a report for the consumption of the U.N. Security Council, for the Office of the Secretary General and other officials at the U.N. in New York, and we made sure at the time to be discreet about this, not to give it to the press, but to give it to those who had something to do with these incidents. I, myself, would, when I visited New York, see the U.S. Ambassador, see the British Ambassador and hand to them these copies. And I remember on one occasion, I told both of them that, when I gave them a report with pictures, I said, your pilots see it from up there, 10,000 meters above, and this is how we see it on the ground, and it was striking to see the reaction, which was extremely angry and negative. I was told by a British official that all we were doing, we’re putting the imprint of legality, of legitimization on Iraqi propaganda, which was not at all the case.

AMY GOODMAN: You said you were giving this directly to the British Ambassador to the U.N. and to the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.?

HANS VON SPONECK: Indeed. When I went there, I handed copies to Ambassador Burley at the time. He will remember, and I also gave the reports to the British mission, to Ambassador Eldon, who was the number two ambassador to Sir Jeremy Greenstock, who was particularly agitated over the fact that I was instrumental in having these documents prepared by my security office in Baghdad.

AMY GOODMAN: Ambassador Greenstock was particularly agitated?

HANS VON SPONECK: No, his deputy, who had been Deputy Manager, which he would always tell you with great pride, of the 1991 Gulf War arrangements, so it led to, in fact, a request to the Secretary General that I be removed because of -- one of the main reasons because I was issuing these reports, which the United Nations found quite useful, and I was encouraged to continue to write them.

AMY GOODMAN: So they were pressuring for you to be removed for reporting the effects of the bombing on the ground in Iraq?

HANS VON SPONECK: Well, that, Amy, that I'm afraid is correct. It's one -- it's not the only, but it was one of the reasons why the two governments felt that I was unsuitable for that position in Iraq. And all I was doing as a civil servant was to relay the cold-blooded facts that arose as a result of these incursions, these illegal incursions, after all, and well, I continued with the full support of the U.N. Secretariat.
more
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/1328247


Bring It Down. Now.

....

The arguments proffered by the Times for its poor coverage of the DSM render this news blackout and associated coverup distortions looking very much like a case of disingenuousness of which the White House would be proud. Together, they would constitute a crime on top of a crime, but for the fact that it is not, alas, the first episode in this ugly story. By its own (very late) admission, the Times betrayed its responsibility to the American public during the run-up to the war - precisely the period described in the Memo - by failing to question the 'evidence' and claims offered by the administration for the necessity of going to war, serving instead as a virtual government stenographer. That makes the current fiasco - at best - a perfect trifecta of botched journalism from America's paper of record. But it also makes that 'at best' interpretation seem increasingly implausible. Far more likely with such a series of failings, all in the same direction of massively favoring the administration, is that the Times is purposely abdicating its duty as a government watchdog. Whether that is because of cowardice, profits, both, or some other explanation is as yet unclear.

My, how far we've traveled. In this week full of Watergate reminiscences, the irony of our present condition could not be more complete. Three decades ago, two cub reporters with the backing of a great patriotic paper struggled to uncover, bit by painstaking bit, information which saved the republic from a highjacking. Today, the story is out there in plain sight, and yet the no-longer-remotely-great journalistic organs not only fail to present it, they conspire to cover it up, adding their own special contribution to the current unraveling of constitutional government. Increasing numbers of Americans are coming to realize that learning the truth about their country requires going to foreign sources like the BBC, or to alternative electronic media. Fortunately, however, American journalism still exhibits a pulse in a few parts of the country. Most significant so far has been a stunning cri de coeur out of Minneapolis, deep within America's heartland and hardly a Havana, Falluja or even Berkeley. In a devastating Memorial ('Memo'rial?) Day editorial, the Star Tribune called the president what he is, a liar who has committed the gravest sin any commander-in-chief ever could, "spending blood in an unnecessary war based on contrived concerns about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction".

Wow. One can only imagine the shivers running down the spines of Rove, Bush, Cheney and the rest as they read those words and consider the (very mainstream) source. Already unpopular and no longer trusted, the Memo has the capacity to devastate if not destroy this White House, and potentially even to sentence its occupants to financial ruin and long prison terms. (If this were to get any sweeter, more deserved, or more ironic, those jail cells would turn out to be in The Hague, rather than Leavenworth. Nobody pinch me yet, please, this is too good.)

Indeed, the ironies which may ensue from this point forward are exquisite to contemplate. Those who have recklessly dismantled American democracy over the last two decades in a naked pursuit of power may well in turn become victims of several of the destructive precedents they themselves have established.

For starters, consider Karl Rove's dilemma right now. He is in precisely the position he has long loved to place his opponents (such as Democratic members of Congress over the Iraq war vote just before the elections of 2002, to choose just one example). If he says nothing about the DSM, he risks it continuing to proliferate exponentially, with more and more mainstream, heartland, media hurling devastating and unanswered body blows at the Bush administration, until ultimately a tidal wave of rage crests over 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But if he addresses it head on, he risks making tens of millions of Americans aware of something they presently are not, with most of them likely to then see the plain message of this evidence for exactly what it is.
more
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0607-26.htm

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/process.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:03 PM
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98. 1. MSM makes war $$$, 2. Future runs on bad decisions.
"...and what did we get for it?" Iran, and endless war profit. They don't need the stinking newspaper profits.

And,
Don't believe me, please. But, to predict the future assume the worst turn at every branch, and you'll have the closer approximation.

They'll be supporting Bush all during the impeachment. It will be a tooth and nail fight for every good turn you outlined.

Hope the vacation was good.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:20 PM
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99. You are right in the spirit of your predictions, but the timing might be
a little off.

I don't see a changing of the guard, or a major revolution against the theocratic neocons until 2007-2008.

It will take that long for enough momentum to accumulate to put the bastards where they belong. They will fight it every step of the way using every trick at their disposal. By then, the people will be outraged and nothing will stop them. The military and unions, plus the help of other nations, may be instrumental in this revolt.

What you predict for 2006 I think will come about in 2008.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:56 PM
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101. Amen
n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:57 PM
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102. My own wild-ass predictions...
1. PNAC will continue to dominate the world (behond 2008) until * the Anti-Christ (still the Ev-o-il chickenshit dictator he is now, as he's gonna stay in the WH like FDR did just because he hates him and is jealous of his 8 years+ "exception," and he will be a lot worse than he is today in # of innocents murdered, i.e. Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, etc.). That Anti-Christ will decide to MIHOP Armageddon and bush THE button in 2112 (when "Peter the Roman" will be the last Pope).

2. God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit will come down from the sky as One, while all tens of thousands long range nukes will still be up in the air and on their way to their "final" target, and CNN will broadcast the Rapture live, all over the polluted world at once.

3. * the Anti-Christ and his Fascist, barbarian regime of the PNAC gangsters, and all the other greedy bandits will (finally) be Judged and immediately sent outter space to a planet on fire called "Hell."

4. God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit will Make Their/His Last Miracle (all the nukes will disappear in An Eye-Blink) and The Earth will be Eden, The Promised Land, Forever and Ever, for ALL who are honest and who did stand up and resist the ev-o-il neocons in their wicked attempts of winning their heart and minds with their lies and their never ending corruption$.

The End.

O8)
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:30 PM
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112. Woopss... Wrong century (make that 2012). My bad. :-\
:nuke: <- (The only remaining 1 -> Vatican?)

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Montanan Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:18 PM
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103. I Sadly Predict Otherwise
1) Bush & Cheney will finish their terms. Cheney will run in 2008, defeating Hillary Clinton.

2) Many people will indeed go to jail, but they will be the enemies of BushCo. There will be round-ups of dissidents and other "threats to national security" -- after a major "terrorist attack" in the US, probably planned for the summer of 2006.

3) Paper ballots? Hah! The Republicans aren't going to take a chance on losing.

4) The Republicans will, at the very least, maintain their majority in the Senate.

5) Republican Party gone in 5-10 years? No, the Republican Party will tighten its grip on American society. Of course, this will be of little concern to most Americans, who are already stupid, superstitious, hate-filled and malleable.

6) The Democratic Party will cease to exist as it is. What form the successor, if any, will take is unclear.

7) Distrust of corporate media? The American public cares more about Britney's baby than they do about Iraq or other Republican scandals. TV news will carry on pretty much as it is today.

8) "We get our country back"? Sorry, but the Christo-fascists know they'll never have another chance like the one they have today. They're going to go balls-to-the-wall, and they won't back down. They're on a mission from God, which trumps all rules and all morality.

I wish I saw it otherwise, but I think we're entering a very dark and very frightening era.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:22 PM
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104. If This Does Come To Pass (Oh Please, Oh Please) You Will Have To...
change your DU name to...

Deep Gloat!!!

And a well deserved gloat it will be.

I'm having similar feelings, but have nothing to point to as proof.

I am getting some of my optimism back however, and I wanna say 'Thanks' for contributing to it.

:yourock:
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:35 PM
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106. The proof will come on the 27th!! World Tribunal on Iraq - WAR CRIMES!!!
We should seriously start calling our Reps and Sens about this.

WAKE UP DU!!!

www.worldtribunal.org ---- go endorse it NOW!
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:48 PM
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108. It says the tribunal is made up of local representatives. Do you know
who selects the reps? Is it the US? I hope not because it won't be fair or unbiased.
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:45 PM
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110. The Jury of Conscience is international - including lots more info...
Worldwide Tribunal To Meet In Istanbul Over U.S. War Crimes In Iraq by Greg Szymanski
26 May 2005

Greg Szymanski

May 26, 2005 - As President Bush "jet-sets" around the world, there is one overseas meeting in June he will avoid like the plague.

Bush and England’s Prime Minister Tony Blair this week received personal invitations to attend a session of the World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI) in Istanbul from June 23-27. A White House spokesman said he was unaware of the meeting or any such group.

The WTI, made up of thousands of people worldwide including many pre-imminent foreign leaders and dignitaries, seeks to reclaim justice regarding the Iraqi invasion since Bush and Blair have failed to recognize international law as well as the International Criminal Court.

The group was formed two years ago with the intent to document the war crimes orchestrated by Bush and Blair with the intent to eventually bring both heads of state to justice despite what group leaders say is "an arrogant flaunting of world opinion and established law."

WTI media spokesman Hilal Kuey said many countries around the world are not as kind towards the two leaders as America and England, viewing the Iraqi invasion as an overt act of aggression.

"Since the U.S. administration does not recognize the International Criminal Court and the U.K. government has used its power to avoid being prosecuted for an illegal and illegitimate war, the citizens of the world have undertaken an initiative to reclaim justice," said Kuey from her office in Turkey. "The world is calling for Bush and Blair to be held accountable for the crimes committed in Iraq."

The Istanbul conference is a culmination of two years of investigating and documenting the occupation and destruction of Iraq, as numerous sessions have been held in many foreign capitals around the world.

The Istanbul conference marks the third anniversary of the Iraqi invasion and seeks to hold Bush and Blair accountable for severe violations of international law.

The formal letter sent to Bush is highly critical of the Iraqi invasion and asks him to defend his position to the world, something WTI leaders say Bush has avoided for three years.

"We, on behalf of the peoples of the world who believe in justice, start from the conviction that you have been acting in violation of common values of humanity, international treaties and international law," stated the letter sent to the White House and numerous American and British Embassies around the world, asking both Bush and Blair to defend their positions.

Since the organization claims Bush has ignored worldwide pleas to respect international law, the WTI has spread to almost every capital in the world in an attempt to fight what it calls "a war of aggression launched despite the opposition of people and governments all over the world."

"There is no court or authority that will judge the acts of the U.S. and its allies. If the official authorities fail, then authority derived from universal morals and human rights principles can speak for the world," said Kuey, the WTI spokesman.

"Our legitimacy derives from the failure of official international institutions to hold accountable those who committed grave international crimes and constitute a continued menace to world peace. We have a duty to take action against wars of aggression, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other breaches of international law.

"The WTI will not end in Istanbul as it is to be considered a continuing process. The investigation of what happened in Iraq is of prime importance to restore truth and preserve collective memory against the constant rewriting of history. We are challenging the silence of international institutions and seeking to put them under pressure to fulfil their obligations under international law."

Besides the Iraqi invasion, the WTI is also investigating the growing clamor of what has been called America’s effort to create a "new world order" to dominate the world under a single leadership.

"The WTI initiative seeks to be part of a broader movement to stop the establishment of the new imperial world order as a permanent 'state of exception' with constant wars as one of its main tools," added Kuey. "We hope to bring a moral, political and judicial judgment that contributes to build a world of peace and justice."

The WTI has been endorsed and signed by such notable worldwide figures as Richard Falk, professor of International Law at the University of Santa Barbara; Ken Coates, chairman of the Bertrand Russel Peace Foundation; Baskin Oran, former European member of parliament and professor of International Relations at the University of Ankara and Denis J. Halliday, former Asst. UN Secretary General 1994-1998.

http://www.worldtribunal.org/main/?b=63
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:25 PM
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105. But what about Michael Jackson????????????
(Sorry, couldn't resist.:rofl: )
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:15 AM
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121. Ah, the trial du jour
Bread and circuses...
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:38 PM
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107. I want what you're drinking
I'll pray for your rightness. But I can't see it happening that fast.
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:57 PM
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117. ME too
:)
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:52 PM
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109. WOW, you're a real glass-half-full kinda person, aren't ya?
Let's hope you're right about at least half of that...
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:36 PM
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113. Nothing wrong in positive thinking!
Considering the worst may keep one prepared, but it wears one down, and does no good, ultimately.
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:34 AM
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114. Kick
for those that haven't read it yet.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:42 AM
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115. I dig your optimism. But I won't hold my breath. n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:44 PM
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116. A Kick For Optimism !!!
:kick:
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:04 AM
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118. Kick it up
"the future so bright, I gotta wear shades"
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:09 AM
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120. I hope so too
If there is any justice left in this country then all your predictions will come true.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:39 PM
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122. Dear God,
Please let hvn_nbr_2 be right;
Please let hvn_nbr_2 be right;
Please let hvn_nbr_2 be right;
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Please let hvn_nbr_2 be right;
Please let hvn_nbr_2 be right;
Thank you, God,
Amen
JoMama.
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